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RE: The War in Iraq Costs... - 2/27/2006 8:51:09 PM

michaelGA

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well, i sure as hell didn't post it to have my head bitten off. i also didn't post it to insult anyone either. if i had known it was have pissed anyone off, i'd kept my stupid mouth shut. guess this makes me an idiot, huh?

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RE: The War in Iraq Costs... - 2/27/2006 10:08:22 PM

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The garden of Eden was in Iraq .

Was? The bible never mentions that the Garden of Eden never left earth. Just that an angel was placed to guard it with a flamming sword.

Anyhow, since the Garden of Eden has yet to ever be found, perhaps that's where Ben Ladin is hiding. If it's truely thought to be in Iraq, that's one hell of some good Camo. Or perhaps we just don't figure to look there. After all, who would think to look in a Dessert for a garden filled with paradise?

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RE: The War in Iraq Costs... - 2/27/2006 11:26:58 PM

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*snores* lol yeah not funny but I am being cheeky anyway

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RE: The War in Iraq Costs... - 2/28/2006 12:16:29 PM

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well, i sure as hell didn't post it to have my head bitten off. i also didn't post it to insult anyone either. if i had known it was have pissed anyone off, i'd kept my stupid mouth shut. guess this makes me an idiot, huh?

Michael,
You weren't the first nor will you be the last to be taken in by net generated urban legend. Fear not the wrath of the messiah.

You don't need urban legend to point out the hatred expressed in the Koran. But always remember the Bible also contains a good wrath of God theme especially in the old testament. Sending Angels to kill the first born of Egypt so Moses would be allowed to take his clan into the desert doesn't indicate a kind, merciful God. However in most of the new testament, the Christian God now just "allows" evil to occur without direct involvement. In a similar incident, King Herod's slaughter of the infants of Bethlehem as recounted in the second chapter of Matthew, ordered in an attempt to kill the newborn "King of the Jews" foretold by the wise men who stopped by his place for directions, was "God's Will". But Herod may have gotten the idea from his in house teachers and scholars.

If you wonder why he was so nervous that the traveling wise men were correct, it was a prophecy given in detail by a religious fundamentalist group called the "Essenes". They calculated that during Herod's reign, seventy-six generations had passed since the Biblically recounted creation. There was a well-known prophecy that the Messiah was due in the seventy-seventh generation. It made him take the "Wise Men" seriously. To cover his bet against future prophecy he also burned the monastery at Qumran with the teachers an pupils in it.

However, there are currently no Christian fundamentalist countries. Currently no one leading any Christian or Jewish sect with a worldwide membership is encouraging their followers and children to commit suicide to obtain political ends. Therein lies the difference. Is it "justification" for the cost of the war in Iraq?

The Koran was written about 500 years after Christ. Spoken to Muhammad by god through the Angel Gabriel. Every westerner needs to read it. If you do you'll find one repetitive thread. God's malice, actually down right contempt toward the unbeliever, or the infidel. It's really the central theme to the point of redundancy. According to the Koran all non-Muslims are rejected of God, damned by God, evil, worthless, fit only to be destroyed. Is it any wonder why the Crusades occurred? The Christian uncompromising god versus the Muslim. Back then there really wasn't much difference. And if you were Jewish both sides were looking to kill you.

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RE: The War in Iraq Costs... - 2/28/2006 4:16:02 PM

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be that as it may, i don't think i deserved the ass-chewing i got for posting this. it seemed to be an interesting email and i thought i would share it with everyone...guess i was wrong for being so nice.

maybe i should ba an ass like a few people seem to be here.

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RE: The War in Iraq Costs... - 2/28/2006 4:45:46 PM

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No, you didn't. Don't challenge the insurrectionists, they don't like it.

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RE: The War in Iraq Costs... - 2/28/2006 5:04:26 PM

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this is really in thread..........

Be that as it may I gotta blast a bunch of muthas here.......

John is by and large kindly, forgiving and helpful about shit.....

However; he always falls on the side of information, truth and like that.....(I ain't gonna spend alotta time on the wheres and whyfores....(

But ........

For the most part, as we all know, misperceptions abound in this and other venues and are common enough that it kinda sometimes fucks up the places we find ourselves in today..........

I can see where alotta people are gonna take on what you said, Mike; as gospel, since it was quoted somewhere.............

We all have a responsibility.........don't we.........

So, he could have modified his all out rebuttal of the post, you coulda never posted it...ad finitum.......

I am the first to say, Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa, Mea Maxima Culpa.....

so he had an off day, and you are begging an off post......

Don't know, I haven't talked to John about this, and I may be in for a blasting myself...........

He can defend himself, he is far more eloquent and picturesque than I.......

We all take risks, when we voice our opinion (or those of others), Ja?

But goddamit, free speech is free speech.............

The fact that it is stark and (to you at least, and wide-spread, to you at least) does not change it a whit......
You buy the assumption, you buy the deal.

Peacefully,
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RE: The War in Iraq Costs... - 2/28/2006 5:17:16 PM

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i DID post a disclaimer to my post by stating that i did not know if it was true or not...but that was ignored

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RE: The War in Iraq Costs... - 2/28/2006 5:21:45 PM

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Let's be crystal clear about this kids,

Dictatorships are only truely dictatorships when they fuck up post government, and lose a war, prior to that the usage is purely politcal rhetoric.

For the most part, we either vote 'em in, or support them that do, or support them that support them that have 'em.

Let's not make it a bad word..........that is not and never has been the problem.............

Think about it; you got time.............

LOLOLOL,
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RE: The War in Iraq Costs... - 2/28/2006 5:29:50 PM

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I am sorry to interrupt but weren't we discussing the cost of blowing up Iraq? Or the cost of Iraq reconstruction? Or the cost of corruption, or something like that?

quote:

Iraq has issued arrest warrants for the former defense minister and two dozen other officials in connection with the alleged misappropriation of more than $1 billion from government coffers, investigators said Oct. 11.

Reuter's article from last fall

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RE: The War in Iraq Costs... - 2/28/2006 5:33:35 PM

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i yeld the floor to onceburned...but i'm keeping the walls and ceiling all to myself...LOL

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RE: The War in Iraq Costs... - 2/28/2006 5:37:44 PM

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go ahead, nobody here really cares, and will speak their mind, if anyone cares to read the TOS and the headers at the top of these forums, there is no mandate to stay on topic necessarily; unless it becomes a flame war (in which Moderators step in and are on rather uneven ground, but have to start whipping asses somewhere).........and I am on topic, costs have implications beyond money...........

Ron

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RE: The War in Iraq Costs... - 3/1/2006 3:18:01 PM

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I am a bit surprised by the percent of the federal budget that is eaten up by interest payments.
http://nationalpriorities.org/auxiliary/interactivetaxchart/taxchart.html

It claims that 18.6% of the budget is eaten up by interest payments, and divides it into military interest and non-military interest. The amount of non-military interest (9.67% of the budget) gibes with what I have read in the past. But I don't know what the military interest refers to.

Does anyone have an idea?

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RE: The War in Iraq Costs... - 3/1/2006 4:27:58 PM

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ORIGINAL: onceburned
But I don't know what the military interest refers to.

Quite simply the interest accruing to our military expenditures. We do not actually have the money for our military adventure in Iraq - we are borrowing money to finance much of it. This has already been touched on in this thread and I hope that clears it up.

Fact is: the Republicans would seem to spend just as easily and in as carefree a manner as do the Democrats, they just spend it on different things. Republicans spend it on the war industry, Democrats more so on what some would call "social engineering" programs. Everybody spends on corporate pork - I'd say more so the Republicans though.

I favor social engineering - at least something like national health care would allow American workers to more fairly compete with labor markets elsewhere in the world. I mean, if the law can force me to wear a seatbelt or helmet, then this is just one more way to spread the liability of catastrophic medical needs.

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RE: The War in Iraq Costs... - 3/1/2006 4:32:28 PM

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ORIGINAL: onceburned

I am a bit surprised by the percent of the federal budget that is eaten up by interest payments.
http://nationalpriorities.org/auxiliary/interactivetaxchart/taxchart.html

It claims that 18.6% of the budget is eaten up by interest payments, and divides it into military interest and non-military interest. The amount of non-military interest (9.67% of the budget) gibes with what I have read in the past. But I don't know what the military interest refers to.

Does anyone have an idea?

Probably largely the current "war" since, given the President's allergy to taxes, much of it has been paid with by loans.

It used to be the conservatives understood economics, at least the part about loans costing more than paying directly for something.

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RE: The War in Iraq Costs... - 3/1/2006 4:55:11 PM

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lets stop the war...we can't afford it

vote a woman in, they deserve the right to be president and would probably do a better job...

i now know why women won't be president...they're tired of picking up after men and this is a BIG mess the men left this country in.

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RE: The War in Iraq Costs... - 3/8/2006 10:50:47 AM

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So, since you pointed out the cost of what is spending toward this war, do you think the USA is spending to much or to little?

After all, many War Protesters are saying that we aren't putting enough money toward or troops and war supplies.
If that's the case, then why would the same protesters then go and say that we're spending to much money? First it's under spending, now it's over spending. What's the right price?

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RE: The War in Iraq Costs... - 3/8/2006 11:18:20 AM

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ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet

So, since you pointed out the cost of what is spending toward this war, do you think the USA is spending to much or to little?

After all, many War Protesters are saying that we aren't putting enough money toward or troops and war supplies.
If that's the case, then why would the same protesters then go and say that we're spending to much money? First it's under spending, now it's over spending. What's the right price?

It isn't the raw quantity but how it is allocated. After all, we managed to spend millions that vanished into the underground economy in Iraq before many of the troops had decent body armour and while they were still driving around in unarmoured vehicles.

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RE: The War in Iraq Costs... - 3/8/2006 2:19:48 PM

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ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet
So, since you pointed out the cost of what is spending toward this war, do you think the USA is spending to much or to little?

Far too much. This war is just an excuse to loot.

FUBAR - U.S. out of Iraq now!

After that, any available war monies should be diverted from war to the immediate crisis care of the troops injured and those coming home. It is a national shame how we have treated our returning soldiers in the past.

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RE: The War in Iraq Costs... - 3/16/2006 3:27:52 PM

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"Senate Votes to Raise Debt Limit"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/congress_debt_limit&printer=1;_ylt=Atd3InvujonS.WtcMhaf9DGMwfIE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MXN1bHE0BHNlYwN0bWE-

Congress agreed to let the government borrow another $781 billion Thursday, allowing lawmakers and President Bush to pay for the war in Iraq and combat terrorism without raising taxes or cutting popular domestic programs.

...

I thank the children I don't have for all of the riches Bush et al enjoy...

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