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RE: The War in Iraq Costs... - 3/19/2006 6:31:19 AM   
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I dont have sources I have freinds and family back in Russia.


Isn't it true the national sport of Russia is gossip?

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RE: The War in Iraq Costs... - 3/19/2006 9:19:32 AM   
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I guess the secret is to get rid of enemies without planting an entire new crop.


So far that's not working out so well is it?

When I think of the money we spend on the military and then think of all the many productive ways it could have been spent instead I get kinda dizzy.

I don't think the people in charge actually give a damn about the U.S. as a nation, I think they care about personal wealth. It explains the looting and the schizo foreign policy perfectly. Why the American people don't seem to notice this simple and obvious fact is beyond me.

Wave a flag, pound the bible - you'll have them eating from your hand. Our current puppet sure waves that flag and wears that bible belt well. He's still an utter tool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_lezEvy9T8&search=screwed


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RE: The War in Iraq Costs... - 3/19/2006 9:26:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		If WMD had anything to do with Iraq
If the war on terror had anything to do with Iraq
If anything had anything to do with Iraq

I would agree with some of the terrified.

I am simply incapable, my 'intellectual starch-blocker' prohibits me from finding congruence or even coincedence it unreleated matters.

I am for countering terrorism.

I am for happiness and safety.

I don't give a shit how many innocents are killed or who got fucked over, but I do care that we are fucking around in Iraq for no good reason, when our stated goal is to make the world safe from terrorism.

To date, this has not been accomplished, nor has it even been given serious thought or any type of effort by this administration.

Ron

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RE: The War in Iraq Costs... - 3/19/2006 10:31:02 AM   
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If WMD had anything to do with Iraq
If the war on terror had anything to do with Iraq
If anything had anything to do with Iraq


You know, you're right. Saddam never had any interest in weapons of mass destruction. Saddam's regime never ever consorted with terrorists. Saddam was just minding his own business and everything was just hunky dory before that mean, nefarious (or, alternately, stupid) George Bush decided to bully him.

Yes, we've accomplished absolutely nothing. Zero. Maybe worse than nothing, by going into Iraq.

blah blah blah blah blah.

I'm done.

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RE: The War in Iraq Costs... - 3/19/2006 10:32:15 AM   
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RE: The War in Iraq Costs... - 3/19/2006 11:24:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		You are correct in your first post and not far off the mark on your second.

If anyone took a wider view of the world, they would see why we now are fucking with Iran as a natural outcropping of our recent foray into Iraq, a country whos name comes from Aryan, which their peoples were one known as. And it meant peasant long before king... but then nice used to mean stupid and bad used to mean--- well; bad.

(heres a hint: it goes deeper than the it is spelt with a Q--- rat a tat tat -- no it is spelt with an N--- line of thinking)

I fear a great deal of damage was done in kindergarden with the advent of 'The Weekly Reader', the definition of 'current events' should not mean this morning's yellow journalism as it now seems to. Alotta people never caught on that there actually was a direct and concious movement of (hopefully) fertile young minds to a view and at least slight awareness of world history from current events, hoping I suppose that as they matured, they would take a more learned view of the planet they inhabit. I am not a tv repairman, so I don't care how a tv works, but I know I turn the channel and I get what I want. However; I am a male of homo sapien being and live on a planet we call earth and feel somewhat liable for having some idea about what goes on in it.

STET.

LMCAO,
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RE: The War in Iraq Costs... - 3/19/2006 12:19:03 PM   
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I dont have sources I have freinds and family back in Russia.


Isn't it true the national sport of Russia is gossip?


No its Alchoholism.

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RE: The War in Iraq Costs... - 3/19/2006 12:25:54 PM   
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Yes, we've accomplished absolutely nothing. Zero. Maybe worse than nothing, by going into Iraq.


The only significant weapons Saddam had were sold to him by the west and then passed their shelf life.

What's your point?


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RE: The War in Iraq Costs... - 3/19/2006 12:38:23 PM   
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All I saw, when Colin Powell (a man I respect) stood in front of the United Nations was some little pissant cropduster airplane.

(Hmmmmmmm, I wonder why he is no longer with the company? Did it show up in the weekly reader?)

Anyway, it was an entirely different situation when we went to the UN during the Cuban Missile Crisis, Adlai whipped some shit out on 'em.

I saw there best intelligence on that day, stayed home to watch it live...
I stayed home to watch Colin Powell live too, I saw there best intelligence on that day too.... Nobody would hold back anything to court world opinion, would they?

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RE: The War in Iraq Costs... - 3/19/2006 3:01:01 PM   
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If WMD had anything to do with Iraq
If the war on terror had anything to do with Iraq
If anything had anything to do with Iraq


You know, you're right. Saddam never had any interest in weapons of mass destruction. Saddam's regime never ever consorted with terrorists. Saddam was just minding his own business and everything was just hunky dory before that mean, nefarious (or, alternately, stupid) George Bush decided to bully him.

Yes, we've accomplished absolutely nothing. Zero. Maybe worse than nothing, by going into Iraq.

blah blah blah blah blah.

I'm done.


Let's take some stock of the situation shall we?

1. WMDs. Most of them were sold to Iraq by The United States of America. We trained them on how to take the chemical precursors and make them into nerve agents. We trained them on how to make nuclear weapons. We trained them on how to refine biological warfare agents. What the F&^%!? Does everyone on the right AND left have selective memory? Doesn't anyone remember the Iran-Iraq war and our "assistance" to Saddam? Regardless, the point remains, all we have found are rotted out worthless leftovers. Great intelligence, huh?

1a. Doesn't anyone remember that Rumsfield, Cheney and Company were involved in these dealings with Saddam? *sigh*

2. Terrorists. Before we invaded Iraq, the only terrorists in Iraq were a small faction of Al-Qaeda and a couple of Shiite militias. Most fascinating to me is how people who apparently cannot rub together a couple brain cells and actually read about a subject, would claim the very terorists hunted by Saddam who were trying to kill the socialist secular Baathists were somehow cooperating with Saddam. Saying the terrorists were in league with Saddam is like saying Hamas is in league with Israeli militias.

3. Conditions of the Iraq people. The people of Iraq have less electricity, running water, natural gas and oil production STILL than before the invasion. There is a far greater shortage of food, medical supplies, heating oil and gasoline than before the invasion. There are far fewer open and operating schools than before the invasion. More Iraqi civilians have died since the invasion than the entire 1980s. Yeah, you know what, they are so much better off, aren't they?

*meow*


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RE: The War in Iraq Costs... - 3/19/2006 3:07:24 PM   
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RE: The War in Iraq Costs... - 3/19/2006 3:13:13 PM   
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I remember, and I said so.


I was just talking to one of my friends about that photo, in regards to this discussion. :0)

I do realize there are those that do "remember", but even among opposition to the Iraq War, such folks are a very slim minority.

Glad to see you do as well.

*meow*

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RE: The War in Iraq Costs... - 3/19/2006 3:22:56 PM   
mnottertail


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They were a couple of better lookin' motherfuckers in them days weren't they?

Now here is where the 'spinmeisters' coulda done some real PR and some damage. Soak both of those cocksuckers head in lampblack today to erase a little aging, and claim that this was the meeting that Rumsfield went to to avoid war.............(oh, yeah, they said that was the last straw that he wouldn't meet..........) shit it is hard to lie to all the people all the time......(who said that, or anything like it?)

You gotta be smarter than a turd to contemplate and execute this shit tho..........



LOLOLOOLOLOLOOLO,
Ron

(Oh, yeah..... and if Chaingang can hook this off the web, couldn't these fuckwads in the government done more than a phone it in and got a little better visual than a fuckin crop dusting plane to haul in front of the UN?...........Jesus, I feel so cheap............)

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RE: The War in Iraq Costs... - 3/19/2006 3:36:36 PM   
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shit it is hard to lie to all the people all the time......(who said that, or anything like it?)


Abe Lincoln.

"You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time."

*meow*

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RE: The War in Iraq Costs... - 3/19/2006 4:12:04 PM   
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shit it is hard to lie to all the people all the time......(who said that, or anything like it?)


Abe Lincoln.

"You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time."

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As for comparing the threat of nuclear war with the current threat, it doesn't even matter if one is worse than the other if we start getting cities destroyed. This threat could well be messier (in terms of blood on the ground) than the Cold War was. One major city -- that's all it might take for us to have more death than we ever experienced during the Cold War. Yes, the Cold War could have resulted in more destruction than the terror threat. But it doesn't matter. We face the threats we have when we have them. We need cold, hard facts and cold, hard logic to face this, along with basic, obvious but hard moral choices.


Kinda puts the lie to this bit of asswipe, don't 'cha think?

so all you PLAYERS..........

Muhammar Khadaffi
Vince McMahon
Fulgencia Battista
Idi Amin
Mengistu
Ngyuen Kao Ky
Ho Chi Mihn
Mao Tse Tung
Mad Dog Vachon
King Hussein
Reza Pahvili
Ras Taferia
Hannibal
Alexander
Augustus
Maximillian
Chandragupta
.............
and the list goes on and on...........


Enough; do you know which ones were wrestlers and which ones were dictators? If so why so? Who won and lost? Was it short-sighted, ya think?

(my apologies to the realpolotiKal people, who may have lived some life, I ain't talking to you)

so......................

eh, fuck it the clueless are forever destined to remain so.

Thank you for pointing out a bit of actual history Sir.

My regards to you (as well as others) Art;
Ron

nothing new in creation, but the inside of a duck.

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RE: The War in Iraq Costs... - 3/19/2006 4:25:58 PM   
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RE: The War in Iraq Costs... - 3/19/2006 4:31:44 PM   
mnottertail


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trick question........

he was a dictator AND a wrestler............


Level, are you originally from Minnesota?

Ron

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RE: The War in Iraq Costs... - 3/19/2006 4:35:39 PM   
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RE: The War in Iraq Costs... - 3/19/2006 4:38:52 PM   
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RE: The War in Iraq Costs... - 3/19/2006 4:54:58 PM   
mnottertail


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LOL,
Ron

It is the carpal tunnel based thing, combined with a (shall we say?) a latin lover cementing of of the soul.........

on the other hand, 'coulda been a typo........


That is why even the most worldly of fellows needs an editor, to point out the obvious mistakes in spelling, but not in logic, Ja.

You never cease to amaze me; the depth of your visage, my friend, if I may call you that.

But I am gonna call YOU a reasonable human with some modicum of experience in these matters (cause I know you got 'em), and I think that just as we did in our turn, some of these guys feel so passionate about this without a long term perspective.........and the end result that they will live, each in turn, in a world shaped by their ideals and ideas, but you kinda hate to have to see this shit visited on thier kids and kind, n'est ce pas?

Ron
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