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chiaThePet -> RE: Political indoctrination in schools: (9/3/2009 3:58:45 PM)
It's 8:00 a.m. and the school bell is ringing. Do you know what your children are learning? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMVql9RLP34 chia* (the pet)

popeye1250 -> RE: Political indoctrination in schools: (9/3/2009 4:03:35 PM)
This is what happens when you get a "Community Organizer" in the White House. A lot of "feel good" crap that doesn't mean anything. Can you imagine the uproar if Bush had tried this? They'd be calling the school kids "Bush's Brownshirts." I ask you, where is the outrage? ; )

SpinnerofTales -> RE: Political indoctrination in schools: (9/3/2009 4:09:49 PM)
quote: You should read up on it a little more before trying to comment on it, Spinner. Because you don't know what it is that you're trying to spin... ORIGINAL: Sanity I know exactly what I'm commenting upon. "A White House spokesman released this statement: "The President will speak directly to students around the country about the value of education and the importance of staying in school as part of his effort to dramatically cut the dropout rate. It's not a policy speech." Now let me point out that President Bush (the first) also gave a nationally televised speech, from a classroom on the importance of education. Now some of the study guides have caused some concern, with such evil questions as, for the younger kids, "What was the president trying to say to me" and for the older "What does this speech inspire me to do." So I say again...the president telling kids to stay in school, value education and work hard for their dreams. So again I ask...what the hell is the problem other than the paranoid fear that Obama is going to get up and say "Now, boys and girls, we are all going to be part of the socialist agenda that will destroy the democracy of this country. Won't that be so fun?" Talk about spin...how about making a president speaking to kids about staying in school is a bad thing. What an amazing viewpoint.

Arrogance -> RE: Political indoctrination in schools: (9/3/2009 4:11:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 This is what happens when you get a "Community Organizer" in the White House. A lot of "feel good" crap that doesn't mean anything. Yeah, stem cell research won't mean anything. Stopping torture in order to retain our global integrity means nothing. Healthcare reform won't end up meaning anything. Yup yup!

thishereboi -> RE: Political indoctrination in schools: (9/3/2009 4:12:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen When FNC and the moonies decry something I'm always sure it must have been a good thing they found some angle to make look bad. That's because you see everything on the left as good and everything on the right as bad. One of the main reasons I don't pay much attention to what you say. Oh and for the record, there are many on the right who see things just as scewed and I don't pay much attention to them either.

SpinnerofTales -> RE: Political indoctrination in schools: (9/3/2009 4:18:19 PM)
Let me try to insert a reasonable question, for the reasonable people and not the Obama monster-shouters: If Obama sticks to "Stay in school, do your homework, work hard, be good citizens and you'll be able to make your dreams to", in other words, doing as he says and not making it a policy speech, do you see anything wrong with the President of the United States addressing the school children of the United States?

chiaThePet -> RE: Political indoctrination in schools: (9/3/2009 4:33:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales the Obama monster-shouters: So, the address may go something like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8trsDPpAI5E chia* (the pet)

SpinnerofTales -> RE: Political indoctrination in schools: (9/3/2009 4:40:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chiaThePet It's 8:00 a.m. and the school bell is ringing. Do you know what your children are learning? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMVql9RLP34 chia* (the pet) Congratulations, chia....you have started throwing the "nazi" crap around on this thread. You are now, in my opinion, no longer worth discussing matters of import with.

chiaThePet -> RE: Political indoctrination in schools: (9/3/2009 4:42:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales quote: ORIGINAL: chiaThePet It's 8:00 a.m. and the school bell is ringing. Do you know what your children are learning? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMVql9RLP34 chia* (the pet) Congratulations, chia....you have started throwing the "nazi" crap around on this thread. You are now, in my opinion, no longer worth discussing matters of import with. Well, crap. Edited to add; And don't even get me started on imports. chia* (the pet)

littlewonder -> RE: Political indoctrination in schools: (9/3/2009 5:12:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Maybe im mistaken... but... havent other Presidents also addressed school children? Yup..Bush, Reagan...the "don't do drugs" message and the literacy program. I can remember Reagan's broadcast when I was in school and my child has seen the Bush admin's at her school and will now see Obama's. I personally have no problems with this. Then again I tend to think kids are a lot smarter than adults give them credit for. Most are not so easily susceptible and indoctrination and are pretty well versed in politics actually... a lot more so than most adults I know.

chiaThePet -> RE: Political indoctrination in schools: (9/3/2009 5:28:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: littlewonder quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Maybe im mistaken... but... havent other Presidents also addressed school children? Yup..Bush, Reagan...the "don't do drugs" message and the literacy program. Most are not so easily susceptible Eh, you're right. They didn't pay attention then, and probably won't pay attention this time either. chia* (the pet)

thishereboi -> RE: Political indoctrination in schools: (9/3/2009 5:37:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales Let me try to insert a reasonable question, for the reasonable people and not the Obama monster-shouters: If Obama sticks to "Stay in school, do your homework, work hard, be good citizens and you'll be able to make your dreams to", in other words, doing as he says and not making it a policy speech, do you see anything wrong with the President of the United States addressing the school children of the United States? I see no point to it. For our area it is the first day of class. The kids have enough to think about without having to sit through something like this. When I went to school my parents, teachers and other adults in my life encouraged me to make my dreams come true. I honestly could have cared less what the president had to say on the matter. I just would have been pissed that I had to sit through his speach on my first day back to school. (well unless there was hot sex going on in the back of the room, but that was a whole other thread)

Sanity -> RE: Political indoctrination in schools: (9/3/2009 5:43:28 PM)
Try again, Spinner - I posted the following in the OP - this is the subject of the thread: quote: White House Withdraws Call for Students to 'Help' Obama Obama's plan to inspire the nation's schoolchildren with a video address next week erupted into controversy. The Obama administration is rethinking its course recommendations for students ahead of President Obama's address to the the nation's schoolchildren next week, rewriting its suggestions to teachers for student assignments on how to "help the president," The Washington Times reported Thursday that presidential aides acknowledged they helped the U.S. Education Department write the suggested assignments, which stirred criticism by many who say Obama is trying to indoctrinate the education system. White House aides said the language was supposed to be a inspirational, pro-education message to America's youths, but its unintended consequences were evident. Among the activities initially suggested for pre-K to 6th grade students was to "write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president." Compare that to your spin, where you try to cut everything out that isn't flattering to the president: quote: "A White House spokesman released this statement: "The President will speak directly to students around the country about the value of education and the importance of staying in school as part of his effort to dramatically cut the dropout rate. It's not a policy speech." But that was a lot better than your first try, I have to admit. [;)]

Sanity -> RE: Political indoctrination in schools: (9/3/2009 5:56:28 PM)
What's wrong with it? Take Barack Obama's naked partisanship, combine it with how his handlers made it appear (even if it wasn't true) that this was an attempted indoctrination of the nation's school children, add the fact that he still refuses to release the text of the speech he intends to give, and I think that most reasonable people, the non-Obama apologists, will readily admit that this is just one more passage in the unfunny comedy of errors that is the Obama administration. Half the kids in America are going to stay home that day! And these fools, these clowns in the White House, can't see this coming? quote: ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales Let me try to insert a reasonable question, for the reasonable people and not the Obama monster-shouters: If Obama sticks to "Stay in school, do your homework, work hard, be good citizens and you'll be able to make your dreams to", in other words, doing as he says and not making it a policy speech, do you see anything wrong with the President of the United States addressing the school children of the United States?

OrionTheWolf -> RE: Political indoctrination in schools: (9/3/2009 6:00:28 PM)
I have been no fan of Obama's but I really do not see what they big deal is. I see what the big deal could be if televised messages were repeatedly played to kids.

Sanity -> RE: Political indoctrination in schools: (9/3/2009 6:02:13 PM)
This might not be a big deal, but they're handling it horribly. And you're right, I don't want to see either side to make a habit of doing this.

SpinnerofTales -> RE: Political indoctrination in schools: (9/3/2009 6:22:57 PM)
quote: Take Barack Obama's naked partisanship, combine it with how his handlers made it appear (even if it wasn't true) that this was an attempted indoctrination of the nation's school children, add the fact that he still refuses to release the text of the speech he intends to give, and I think that most reasonable people, the non-Obama apologists, will readily admit that this is just one more passage in the unfunny comedy of errors that is the Obama administration. Half the kids in America are going to stay home that day! And these fools, these clowns in the White House, can't see this coming? ORIGINAL: Sanity I have to agree with you, Sanity. Time after time Obama underestimates the depths to which the opposition will sink in order to demonize him, stir up fear and attempt to make anything he does a political issue to beat him with about the the head and shoulders. You would think by now he would know that before he could make a speech about kids staying in school, working hard and having good things happen to them in return for their work, he should put every word out for examination, criticism and twisting by those who have done so time and time again. You would think that after outcries over such outrageous horrors as taking his wife to see a show on Broadway, he would have learned what to expect from his opponents. That he has not adopted a total bunker mentality is indeed hard to understand. Now, before you accuse me of being a brainwashed dupe who believes he can do no wrong, let me state that this isn't the case. Obama has done things that I don't agree with. He's done things I agree with. But making a "Say in school, speech" isn't something that fills me with dread. Further, by pulling their kids from school, such parents are merely teaching their kids the "If he's not one of our party, he's not even to be listened to" mentality that seems to have so deteriorated this country. And while I don't want to open the "what your party did" can of worms, I will point out that there was not this outpouring of hatred from the left when Regan made his "don't do drugs" speech or Bush his "stay in school" speech. What has happened that we are now so far below what we were then?

TheHeretic -> RE: Political indoctrination in schools: (9/3/2009 6:24:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity This might not be a big deal, but they're handling it horribly. And you're right, I don't want to see either side to make a habit of doing this. I'm glad you've found your way to this point, Sanity, because this was going to be one of those times when I really had to disagree with you. I don't have a problem with this. Once again, we see some staggering ignorance from his staff regarding unintended consequences, and what sort of criticism they open him up to, but he IS the President, and in this age of a crap educational system, a little "stay in school" peptalk is not a bad thing.

BeingChewsie -> RE: Political indoctrination in schools: (9/3/2009 6:32:27 PM)
I am so glad we are home schooling this year. If he had been attending a public school we would of simply kept him home. Yes, Bush spoke to school children, and then-House Majority Leader Dick Gephardt (D-Missouri) said, “The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the President.”

Mercnbeth -> RE: Political indoctrination in schools: (9/3/2009 6:48:28 PM)
~ Fast Reply ~ About the most innocent of things the President can do. Now blown up to become an issue, truly ridiculous. Here's how I see the conversation happening; perhaps on the ride back from what turned out to be a working vacation on Martha's Vineyard or on he way for a long weekend at Camp David; "Hey Mr. President, here's an idea. How about a nice welcome back to school speech from you to all the kids?" The quick, knee jerk response - "Yeah sure sounds great!" (Shrugs shoulders) "Set it up"; goes on to think of more important things. The aide takes the ball and announces; "The President will address (not open the school year) all school children." And sends out a lesson plan which includes: quote: The teaching plans include such “thinking exercises” as asking “What is the president asking me to do?” and suggesting that the teachers build background knowledge (one suggestion given in the teaching plan is to read books about Barack Obama.). Poor handling at best in these times? Going to help the Administration? The paranoia that strikes deep in the heartland not going to look up and say; "'ya SEE!?" Which is really what I would have done were I on the other side of the aisle. A collective; "Hey - He's what you elected, he wants to give a speech and chat with your kids. Can't do anything about it now, but remember which political party has control of this country and consider it when you next get the opportunity to vote."; end of comments. But no - I already have heard the polar idiots from the other side taking shots at their own feet. The President has to start being the President. Administering not speaking every other day to somebody. He's not running for anything anymore, he should be running the country. Let Bidden give speeches to school kids; they can spend the rest of the year trying to figure out what he said. His people have got to start projecting out how the things coming out of there office will be received; from the head shakers as well as the head bobbers. I think at this point everyone would stipulate that the President give great talk. His shrinking opinion polls are the result of not observing the President give great action. This is a huge tempest in a teapot; with the tea and the heat supplied by the Administration. It won't help to get anything done on health-care. It won't create confidence. It will waste resources and energy. It is yet another source of polarization. At minimum I hopes the President fires whoever suggest it; just for venting some of the frustration I'm sure he's experiencing. They just made his job that much harder.

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