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Sissification/Feminization/Forced Fem - 9/4/2009 7:54:40 AM

curiousheart

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Hi,

So, sissification and feminization is an area of play that I've gotten interested in. (I've always looked rather young/feminine and in vanilla life that isn't always great, so the anxiety release is probably why it captures me in BDSM mode).

But was wondering what are the reasons Dommes' like sissifying their subs? And also, what types of men do you enjoy doing this to? I'm somewhat confused, as usually its the alpha macho men types who are on the end of it, so I'm thinking its more a control/humilation type thing, sense of power?

Where to men who already have feminine qualities fit into this? Appreciate any discussion!

Thanks.

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RE: Sissification/Feminization/Forced Fem - 9/4/2009 8:26:01 AM

Andalusite

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For me, it's not about humiliation or degradation at all, and I dislike the "forced" dynamic that a lot of submissives who enjoy cross-dressing demand. When I've done feminisation with previous boyfriends, and gay friends of mine, it was because *they* expressed an interest. It's fun, just like getting together with female friends to go shopping, trade clothes, help them a with hair/nails/makeup/etc., mannerisms, the way they move, and such. When a man has a strong feminine side and delights in being able to express it, regardless of what he looks like on the outside, I enjoy creating that transformation - it appeals to my sense of artistry and there can be a strong emotional bond involved as well. They can be very masculine in other areas, or a blend of different traits - everyone is an individual.

Of course, there's nothing wrong with a submissive wanting/needing degradation in this area, or others, but humiliation play generally doesn't appeal to me, so I wouldn't be willing to take part. Some other Dommes do, though.

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RE: Sissification/Feminization/Forced Fem - 9/4/2009 9:01:53 AM

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At the milder end I'm pretty sure that this is a really common desire even for vanilla women. Vanilla GFs in the past have enjoyed putting me in make-up. I think the scowl I've worn on my face as it was being done was all part of the fun for them, too.

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RE: Sissification/Feminization/Forced Fem - 9/4/2009 9:41:07 AM

OttersSwim

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quote:

ORIGINAL: curiousheart

Hi,

So, sissification and feminization is an area of play that I've gotten interested in. (I've always looked rather young/feminine and in vanilla life that isn't always great, so the anxiety release is probably why it captures me in BDSM mode).

But was wondering what are the reasons Dommes' like sissifying their subs? And also, what types of men do you enjoy doing this to? I'm somewhat confused, as usually its the alpha macho men types who are on the end of it, so I'm thinking its more a control/humilation type thing, sense of power?

Where to men who already have feminine qualities fit into this? Appreciate any discussion!

Thanks.

You won't find a lot of positive or enthusiastic responders on this site as many of the Ladies who are regular posters are not into feminization. Not that there is anything wrong with that. We are a minority.

I agree with Ms. Andalusite that the whole concept of "forced" usually isn't and thus, while it is a nice fantasy, is simply impractical and silly in real practice. The concept that a Lady would be into taking an unwilling 6'3" bull stud of a man (or any man for that matter) and turn him into a simpering mincing sissy is not only impractical and unlikely, it is seriously unethical in my mind. Great wank material for those males that want to be sissies, but beyond that...pure ether.

My Lady is not specifically "into" feminization or sissies either, but here we are together. It is because she likes -me-, and embracing and integrating my female feelings are important to me, and thus to her as well and she has no problem accepting and celebrating my girlie side.

But it is only one aspect of a D/s and life relationship between us.

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RE: Sissification/Feminization/Forced Fem - 9/4/2009 12:19:49 PM

shadowowl

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My owner is not really into that either but does like certain aspects of it. The "forced fem" thing is definitily not well recieved from what i've seen but lots of women like to dress up guys and put on makeup so long as it is only sometimes or a once in a while thing. For a long time I had problems finding a Domme that would want to do that but then I just changed my view on it and decided to just ask for it as much as I "need" it not how much I "want" it. and it is much more accepted that way with it only being an occasional part of the relationship. To me it seems "forced fem" is more often then not tried to be forced on the Domme to do it to the sub and not the other way around which is why it is a bit of a turn off for many. From my experiance and point of view anyway.

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RE: Sissification/Feminization/Forced Fem - 9/4/2009 8:34:41 PM

SthrnCom4t

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In men who identify in this way, I am supportive of their integration. I don't *force*, although I did put Otter in a very uncomfortable position once, standing leaning backwards against the cross wearing 4-5" heels. It had a great result because by the time I was done hitting him with various implements, he swore that nothing hurt as bad as his feet. <*Sadistic GRIN*>

Now when he looks at women wearing heels, or shoes in a store, he has a more realistic view of *how they can really feel* instead of being caught up in how *HOT* they look.

I'd encourage the OP to have a sift through some of Otter's more intelligent posts (don't mind the banter) as he has some excellent and insightful prose, in the archives of these forums, on this very subject.

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RE: Sissification/Feminization/Forced Fem - 9/5/2009 5:18:42 AM

MissDita

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I'm using fast reply because My computer has problems with opening another window. My message is addressed to the OP.

Forced feminisation is indeed more a macho-male I would do that to, to humiliate, but I would only do this in play, not for a longer period (only if I really had problems with his macho-atitude and can't find a better way to correct his behaviour). In this situation, I would love to do it because of the powerexchange and the effect it will have on his submission.

But most sissyfication/ feminisation happens with males that desire this. I have had 3 transvestite subs, a vanilla-transgender girlfriend that was going true transition and now a transgender slave girl who's officially female. (but transgenders are very different from transvestites, and I look at them as women) So I have a lot of experience with this. But it's not something I'm 'looking' for, it's just something I'm open for, and people know. Lot's of transvestites or transgenders contact Me because I'm bisexual and a Domina. But in these cases it is indeed not just for play, it's more long term, and it's not forced. Like Andalusite described. I just support and help them when they evolve and explore their feminine side.
I enjoy this because they have something fragile, they are in a way more feminine than most women, and I'm just fysically attracted to that. Or just because I see them as girlfriends.

greetings, Miss Dita

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RE: Sissification/Feminization/Forced Fem - 9/5/2009 6:23:35 AM

Tantriqu

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Yep, need to change that phrase to 'some dommes'. A lot of straight Lifestyle Dommes throw up a bit in their mouths at the thought; not only do crossdressers tend to be self-obsessed about their fetish, but if men feel more submissive when they're feminised, that mocks the Female. A man in a tux, a Marine in dress blues or a naked cop, kneeling? Now that's a sensuous sub!
However, I'm all for a man discovering the truth about walking in heels or breathing in a corset; LOVED the news item about a vanilla struggling into the new Olympic swimmers' constrictive body suit; they were astonished that it took a half-hour, and that they were covered in sweat and talcum powder!

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RE: Sissification/Feminization/Forced Fem - 9/5/2009 6:32:18 AM

allthatjaz

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MissDita

I'm using fast reply because My computer has problems with opening another window. My message is addressed to the OP.

Forced feminisation is indeed more a macho-male I would do that to, to humiliate, but I would only do this in play, not for a longer period (only if I really had problems with his macho-atitude and can't find a better way to correct his behaviour). In this situation, I would love to do it because of the powerexchange and the effect it will have on his submission.

But most sissyfication/ feminisation happens with males that desire this. I have had 3 transvestite subs, a vanilla-transgender girlfriend that was going true transition and now a transgender slave girl who's officially female. (but transgenders are very different from transvestites, and I look at them as women) So I have a lot of experience with this. But it's not something I'm 'looking' for, it's just something I'm open for, and people know. Lot's of transvestites or transgenders contact Me because I'm bisexual and a Domina. But in these cases it is indeed not just for play, it's more long term, and it's not forced. Like Andalusite described. I just support and help them when they evolve and explore their feminine side.
I enjoy this because they have something fragile, they are in a way more feminine than most women, and I'm just fysically attracted to that. Or just because I see them as girlfriends.

greetings, Miss Dita

I was going to write something but then when I read this I would of written more or less the same.

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RE: Sissification/Feminization/Forced Fem - 9/5/2009 10:16:59 AM

curiousheart

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Hey just wanted to say thank you to all the repliers! It's helped clarify in my mind where this fits into myself and what I'm looking for.

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RE: Sissification/Feminization/Forced Fem - 9/7/2009 7:44:20 AM

bev

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ln my opion the sub would quite happily go along with the feminization

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RE: Sissification/Feminization/Forced Fem - 9/14/2009 9:57:13 AM

TerraLynn

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I would have to agree.... the term forced is in itself wrong for many of us.... believe me no one is going to force me to be more feminine..... I crave it. I would say it can be used to correct a masculine tendency from most (macho men).... but keep in mind that is subject to how you view said man(never judge a book by its cover)

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RE: Sissification/Feminization/Forced Fem - 9/14/2009 1:51:29 PM

SaharahEve

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quote:

ORIGINAL: curiousheart

Hi,

So, sissification and feminization is an area of play that I've gotten interested in. (I've always looked rather young/feminine and in vanilla life that isn't always great, so the anxiety release is probably why it captures me in BDSM mode).

But was wondering what are the reasons Dommes' like sissifying their subs? And also, what types of men do you enjoy doing this to? I'm somewhat confused, as usually its the alpha macho men types who are on the end of it, so I'm thinking its more a control/humilation type thing, sense of power?

Where to men who already have feminine qualities fit into this? Appreciate any discussion!

Thanks.

It's funny to see a man pretending to be a Woman. I enjoy it for entertainment and humiliation purposes. If he's into "forced" fem, it's not really forced fem and not nearly half as fun.

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RE: Sissification/Feminization/Forced Fem - 9/15/2009 2:03:04 AM

SheilaBabe

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Hello group, great posts. I am just coming out and your opinions are greatly appreciated

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RE: Sissification/Feminization/Forced Fem - 9/15/2009 6:07:39 AM

MsStarlett

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Not my thing.... so I'll just STFU.

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RE: Sissification/Feminization/Forced Fem - 9/15/2009 7:27:44 AM

malloves69

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ditto ..some men really look foolish dressing up as a woman ..after that stage left >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mal

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RE: Sissification/Feminization/Forced Fem - 9/15/2009 9:25:17 AM

TerraLynn

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It's funny to see a man pretending to be a Woman. I enjoy it for entertainment and humiliation purposes. If he's into "forced" fem, it's not really forced fem and not nearly half as fun.

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.... exactly what I was saying if I want it then it is not forced..... but I think it comes from the psychological thought that I am being made to do this.... But hey I am no Frued or anything, just had a few long hard looks into myself.

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RE: Sissification/Feminization/Forced Fem - 9/15/2009 1:31:26 PM

StellaSupreme

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I think it's interesting that the word "forced" is most often used to describe kinks that could be in any way associated with homosexuality - forced fem, forced bi, etc.

I personally love gender fluidity and androgyny, and watching someone play with gender boundaries is exciting to me. But that's just me.

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RE: Sissification/Feminization/Forced Fem - 9/15/2009 5:46:23 PM

AnnePrimrose

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About "forced feminization":
Sometimes a man has some deep urges to dress as a woman and express a female nature but at the same time he is mortified by those urges. Ashamed of them. Afraid of what he may become. Maybe even in denial of what he is. (I am not talking about the men who have already embraced this part of themselves and who seek only the erotic arousal that humiliation gives them). With the guys I am talking about, there may be a genuine female identity lurking inside, (transgendered and not fully knowing it yet) or there may just be that need for periods of time expressing a female aspect of themselves. Or some other reason. In any of these cases, if a woman takes charge of the situation and requires him to dress and so on, it is much like other subs that want yet fear certain things and only do those things when a Dom requires them to do them. We could ask at this point, why does the power exchange (ever) work? Perhaps the sub then feels like they are not "responsible" for what is happening and cannot blame themselves or feel as guilty about it because they have surrendered control, surrendered their decision-making power. I am sure there are other theories. As I think we all know, for the submissive, whether one of these males I am talking about or another kind of sub, having a Dom take them into these areas they do not or can not access by themselves, can be and usually is, an exhilarating experience.

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RE: Sissification/Feminization/Forced Fem - 9/15/2009 10:55:12 PM

TerraLynn

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quote:

ORIGINAL: AnnePrimrose

About "forced feminization":
Sometimes a man has some deep urges to dress as a woman and express a female nature but at the same time he is mortified by those urges. Ashamed of them. Afraid of what he may become. Maybe even in denial of what he is. (I am not talking about the men who have already embraced this part of themselves and who seek only the erotic arousal that humiliation gives them). With the guys I am talking about, there may be a genuine female identity lurking inside, (transgendered and not fully knowing it yet) or there may just be that need for periods of time expressing a female aspect of themselves. Or some other reason. In any of these cases, if a woman takes charge of the situation and requires him to dress and so on, it is much like other subs that want yet fear certain things and only do those things when a Dom requires them to do them. We could ask at this point, why does the power exchange (ever) work? Perhaps the sub then feels like they are not "responsible" for what is happening and cannot blame themselves or feel as guilty about it because they have surrendered control, surrendered their decision-making power. I am sure there are other theories. As I think we all know, for the submissive, whether one of these males I am talking about or another kind of sub, having a Dom take them into these areas they do not or can not access by themselves, can be and usually is, an exhilarating experience.

Exactly

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