Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

RE: Does total submission make a master lose interest?


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Ask a Master >> RE: Does total submission make a master lose interest? Page: <<   < prev  1 [2] 3   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: Does total submission make a master lose interest? - 3/1/2006 9:17:00 AM   
Kinkypupper


Posts: 713
Joined: 9/26/2004
From: Portland oregon
Status: offline
I can only speak in a non-switch viewpoint.
Total submission as in 1000% total is the ultimate goal, But even in such a relationship that does NOT mean that the submissive partner is a non-thinking doormat.
Will I get "bored" when I have won over that last 10% ? No not in the least. if anything it will allow less "fear" and concern that I may loose her due to some flaw in my part in the relationship.
In your case, My guess is that the other partner was a submissive person not a switch and that they justified their submission and guilt by attempting to be the Dominant partner. I do not think its a case of what YOU did but what you both are seeking and its very very possable that he has no clue.

_____________________________

Phil Moulton
A Sensual Touch
Locopony Racing
Portland Oregon

(in reply to defiantbadgirl)
Profile   Post #: 21
RE: Does total submission make a master lose interest? - 3/1/2006 9:44:18 AM   
Lashra


Posts: 4900
Joined: 2/9/2006
Status: offline
First of all stop trying to be what he wanted, be what YOU want. You can't be happy trying to fit into another person's mold. To thine ownself be true I say. It sounds to me like he hasnt a clue what he wants and is going back and forth with it in his own head and yours. I say forget him and move on.
Switches normally don't have problems like this, you know what mood your in and you go from there. Yes sometimes you want things more intense sometimes you dont, but you talk it out and make a mutually agreeable decision and you go on from there.
It sounds to me like he feels conflicted, like he HAS to make a choice to be dom or sub and he just can't do it. So maybe he wants you to make up his mind for him and as you know that never works.

Lashra

(in reply to defiantbadgirl)
Profile   Post #: 22
RE: Does total submission make a master lose interest? - 3/1/2006 10:18:23 AM   
imadom4u


Posts: 18
Joined: 8/20/2005
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: KnightofMists


quote:

ORIGINAL: slavejali

I agree with what everyone is saying, why would someone with a truely Dominant personality get bored with having a relationship with someone who is truely submissive? That doesnt make sense. The only way that could happen is if the person wasnt really dominant...and then you've got a HUGE problem on your hands.


remember... there is only one side of the story here...

I have to agree with you KnightofMists. I was thinking I don't have his side so it's hard to say anything. The only thing I can suggest is to be more careful on who you chose next time. It seems like now the only thing you can do is learn from this experience and use this knowledge wisely.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
(When hee-haw meets bdsm)
Where oh where are you tonight, how could you leave me here all alone. I searched the world over and thought I found the true one. You met collarme and you were gone.

(in reply to KnightofMists)
Profile   Post #: 23
RE: Does total submission make a master lose interest? - 3/1/2006 11:27:33 AM   
RavenMuse


Posts: 4030
Joined: 1/23/2006
Status: offline
No comment on the 'story' but to address the question regarding total submission. Not just no but hell no. But then like others in here that to me doesn't mean the sub turning into some brainless doormat. Like any relationship, for it to work it still takes BOTH people working at it.

_____________________________

This above all: to thine own self be true,
And it must follow, as the night the day,
Thou canst not then be false to any man.

Owner of metalmiss

(in reply to imadom4u)
Profile   Post #: 24
RE: Does total submission make a master lose interest? - 3/2/2006 8:20:20 PM   
AwakenMaster


Posts: 3
Joined: 2/27/2006
Status: offline
hun I have not been around much but to me that would just make everything better. I mean when someone totaly submits to me is the greatest thing that can happen. It shows that there is a love there that can not be touch by anything else in the world. I hope this has helped so. You also have to remember it could scare so off but I dont see how.

(in reply to defiantbadgirl)
Profile   Post #: 25
RE: Does total submission make a master lose interest? - 3/2/2006 8:31:56 PM   
windchymes


Posts: 9410
Joined: 4/18/2005
Status: offline
The date "two days before Valentine's Day" raises a flag for me. A lot of guys dump their girls right before the holidays so they don't have to fork out the money for a gift.

"Aw, geez, I only wanted to fuck her, if I buy her a present, she'll think I'm in love with her and expect more!"

Although I agree that there's another side to every story, it sounds like he likes to play mind games.

(in reply to AwakenMaster)
Profile   Post #: 26
RE: Does total submission make a master lose interest? - 3/2/2006 10:24:00 PM   
Zensee


Posts: 1564
Joined: 9/4/2004
Status: offline
All the 'he said / she said' is just distraction. The question asked is about Masters and submissives but defiantbadgirl says right off that she was in a switch relationship. Switch - not D/s or M/s.

Your final question "Why does a dominant man demand total submission and then lose interest when the woman finally trusts him enough to give it?" is not relevant to your situation. Assuming this guy represents the behaviour of responsible Doms is naive to say the least.

Asking the right question is 9/10 of getting a good answer. If you'd asked "Why does a switch male not want a totally submissive female?", you wouldn't have had to post it here. The guy might lack class but his leaving is entirely predictable.

Z.



_____________________________

"Before enlightenment, chop wood and carry water. After enlightenment, chop wood and carry water." (proverb)

(in reply to windchymes)
Profile   Post #: 27
RE: Does total submission make a master lose interest? - 3/3/2006 1:45:28 AM   
ayasha


Posts: 149
Joined: 12/10/2005
Status: offline

quote:

...........I was afraid that if I gave him total submission, he would lose interest since the challenge would be gone. Why does a dominant man demand total submission and then lose interest when the woman finally trusts him enough to give it?


one can think of two possible answers for this.

1) He was not that knowledgeable and/or experienced and so when you gave total submission He then did not know what to do with you.........have seen this happen before - looks down - oh yeah, have the T-shirt!

2) one does not believe a Dominant loses interest in a submissive that gives Him total submission any more than a submissive loses interest in the Dominant that she gives that total submision go.

~ ayasha ~

(in reply to defiantbadgirl)
Profile   Post #: 28
RE: Does total submission make a master lose interest? - 3/3/2006 3:01:57 AM   
IronBear


Posts: 9008
Joined: 6/19/2005
From: Beenleigh, Qld, Australia
Status: offline
In answer to the question: "Does total submission make a master lose interest?"

As a Gorean Master I expect nothing less than total submission from a kajira in my personal collar. I ask you (the peruser of these threads) if you succeeded in climbing Mt Everest, would you lose interest in climbing? I think not. It is my beloief that once thegirl hass submitted totals, her journey has just begun as you expolore her and begine to subtlety commence making her truely yours as you learn her mind, body and soul...... What a gold mine of exploration which will keep the discerning Master occupied for years to come..

_____________________________

Iron Bear

Master of Bruin Cottage

http://www.bruincottage.org

Your attitude, words & actions are yours. Take responsibility for them and the consequences they incur.

D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F.

(in reply to ayasha)
Profile   Post #: 29
RE: Does total submission make a master lose interest? - 3/3/2006 7:53:09 PM   
theRose4U


Posts: 3403
Joined: 8/22/2005
Status: offline
quote:

He said I tied him up tight and he didn't get to tie me as tight. so I was being unfair. He wasn't willing to accept that I thought we were both pleasing each other cause each of us was giving what the other wanted. I tried to apologize several times and convince him that I never intended to be unfair to him, but he wouldn't listen. Then he started in about me not being submissive enough.


HUH? I don't get it. How does tying him up equal total submission. This reads that the guy was a manipulative do-me wanker that's trying to send you on a guilt trip. Being a switch I have to take issue...this is NOT how my switch relationships work. When I'm top I'm top all the time when I'm bottom I'm bottom all the time. Switching midstream to me at least sounds like a do-me boy that wants it all and isn't of any interest to me.

< Message edited by theRose4U -- 3/3/2006 8:01:38 PM >

(in reply to defiantbadgirl)
Profile   Post #: 30
RE: Does total submission make a master lose interest? - 3/3/2006 7:59:42 PM   
theRose4U


Posts: 3403
Joined: 8/22/2005
Status: offline
quote:

The date "two days before Valentine's Day" raises a flag for me. A lot of guys dump their girls right before the holidays so they don't have to fork out the money for a gift.

"Aw, geez, I only wanted to fuck her, if I buy her a present, she'll think I'm in love with her and expect more!"


WAAAYYY TOO TRUE...GRRRR guys why exactly IS this??

(in reply to windchymes)
Profile   Post #: 31
RE: Does total submission make a master lose interest? - 3/3/2006 8:24:41 PM   
Zensee


Posts: 1564
Joined: 9/4/2004
Status: offline
quote:

HUH? I don't get it. How does tying him up equal total submission. This reads that the guy was a manipulative do-me wanker that's trying to send you on a guilt trip. Being a switch I have to take issue...this is NOT how my switch relationships work. When I'm top I'm top all the time when I'm bottom I'm bottom all the time. Switching midstream to me at least sounds like a do-me boy that wants it all and isn't of any interest to me.

That's a bit harsh Rose, considering the information in the OP. They were playing switch to each other. She's actually a subby looking for a Dom. He is clearly not a Dom (though he may well be an asshole). She hopes that by submitting totally to him he will transform into a Dom. Excuse me but who is the manipulator here? Who is playing the switcheroo?

The facts indicate that this is a classic case of pathological presumptions resulting in terminal miscommunication. Both parties are to blame for their own misfortune and giving the OP an undeserved shoulder to cry on won't help her identify and communicate her own needs in future. It will only reinforce her notion that all men are like this and looking for better is a waste of time.

BTW defiantbadgirl - you should change your profile and expunge any complaints about this episode. It only makes you look bad.

_____________________________

"Before enlightenment, chop wood and carry water. After enlightenment, chop wood and carry water." (proverb)

(in reply to theRose4U)
Profile   Post #: 32
RE: Does total submission make a master lose interest? - 3/3/2006 8:46:37 PM   
Pinke


Posts: 3
Joined: 6/3/2005
Status: offline
I just had to voice my opinion on this matter. Usually I don't feel the need to share my personal opinion of other's relationships, different streaks for different freaks, but this bad girl did ask directly "what she did wrong?"
As i see it....nothing! Absolutly nothing. Giving oneself to another is not something that can be done wrong if the communication is open and honest. From the letter you wrote asking,(badgirl)it sounded to me as though it was not clear what was expected of or from you from the start.
In my own experience, i have learned to ask questions, and lots of them if i feel uncertain. Yes, I have been called defiant or unsubly, but i also have been fortunate enough to be appreciated for my inquisitiveness. Any D/s relationship, whether it is serious,long term or just to interact for mutual pleasure, can only be truly enjoyed and satisfying if each party is completely clear what is expected/wanted/needed/anticipated of them and from the relationship. And in no way is it wrong to (as a sub) to ask to be heard,to speak your mind or to make Him/Her aware that you're not clear and would like to discuss(outside of session) what you are feeling. During play is not the optimal time to bring this up. It has been known to take the charm out of the moment. Communication is such a HUGE factor in any mature relationship and in my humble opinion must continue throughout the duration of the union.
We all have needs, and even as a sub/slave,they need to be met. And the only way to do that is to have the abaility to express onesself, completely.

~~~I am in no way an expert and am aware that some dynamics are constructed with guidelines and limits that do not coincide with those i have shared here. No disrespect is intended.~~~

Thank you for letting my express myself ....Pinke

(in reply to KnightofMists)
Profile   Post #: 33
RE: Does total submission make a master lose interest? - 3/3/2006 9:16:56 PM   
theRose4U


Posts: 3403
Joined: 8/22/2005
Status: offline
quote:

And in no way is it wrong to (as a sub) to ask to be heard,to speak your mind or to make Him/Her aware that you're not clear and would like to discuss(outside of session) what you are feeling. During play is not the optimal time to bring this up. It has been known to take the charm out of the moment. Communication is such a HUGE factor in any mature relationship and in my humble opinion must continue throughout the duration of the union.
We all have needs, and even as a sub/slave,they need to be met. And the only way to do that is to have the abaility to express onesself, completely.


I have to agree completely. My point that the new guy obviously missed is that someone intentionally failing to provide guidence, guilt tripping and manipulating someone that appears sincere is in no way anything that I would refer to as a Dom...at least any Dom that I would want to associate with.
Mind games, "ohh baby tie me tighter...geeze can't you do anything right", and my personal favorite...you're not a good slave unless you do _____ are the sure signs you're dealing with a wanker, do-me boy, or just a plain ole horney jerk.

I would tell the OP you've learned a valuble lesson here...painful and yes regrettable but one that is very unlikely you'll forget soon. Switching in itself is a difficult road. Switching within a relationship when your drive is to be a slave...well I think you've realized it's disasterous.
Some time of introspection, journaling and education would be my suggestion. Attend a munch and meet a few Doms that are respected. Meeting others & learning that not all Doms are jerks, not all subs or slaves experience what you have and find your way forward from there.
Read the boards, find subs or Doms that you feel you can respect and just ask questions. The situation leading to your post is regrettable but having the nerve to ask the class tells me that you're brave enough to move on.

(in reply to Pinke)
Profile   Post #: 34
RE: Does total submission make a master lose interest? - 3/4/2006 1:59:21 AM   
TheFamily


Posts: 4
Joined: 3/4/2006
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl
Why does a dominant man demand total submission and then lose interest when the woman finally trusts him enough to give it?


This is natural behaviour; complex - but predictable. Without the aid of a safety-net, and using only text as a medium, it is difficult and boring to explain, but heres a metaphore that will help understand some of the feelings involved:

One colleague of mine had always aspired to being a director. He worked his whole life like a slave. About a year ago he finally made it.
Another colleague had always wanted a Ferrari. Since being a boy he had had posters of them on his wall. Again, last year, he got what he'd always dreamed of.
Now I work with two of the most miserable people you could imagine.
Neither had seen life after their greatest aspiration because they had had these goals since they were kids. They didn't even realise that their goals were achievable. They just blindly poured their whole effort into getting there.
Suddenly, they had reached the end of their lives. Nothing left to aspire to, to dream of, to work for, no drive and a huge "change of stress".

At different levels, control-based relationships suffer the same emotions.
Additionally, BDSM relationships are about power exchange. Dominants don't tend to like door-mat slaves: If theres no power, theres nothing to exchange. Thats another "feeling" that would fly through in this scenario.

The last psycho-babble observation is that with switches: _every_ exchange you make emotionally, conversationally etc. is made in different "modes". People generally talk to each other in Adult,Parent,Child modes. If you're learning from someone they're Parent, you're Child. If you're messing around, you're both in Child. If you're working together on the level, you're both in Adult etc. Switch relationships have extra modes: if we just add Top and Bottom to the list, that adds a lot of combinations which are not easily modelled. Humans are basically copying machines. It is probably that you both grew up without many switch:switch relationship role-models to copy. So each interaction you have is a learning process. Its not as easy as copying behaviour you've seen on the latest soap-opera (thats how most people handle potentially dramatic moments).

Valentines Day can be a ludicrously stressful time for men! If you overhear men talking to men about it, you might get a shock. Being socially expected to perform, especially when its by "marketing forces", and being chastised if they fail is stressful.

No one said it would be easy. Forgive each other. Work at understanding each other. Laugh about it. Get over it. Thats how long term relationships get to be long-term. Don't take anything too seriously or it gets serious as fast as you let it. Offer some space in case it is a case of dealing with life after the reaching the ultimate goal. Get more positive tell each other the good things about each other when you normally wouldn't.
His not listening can be one of two things: he's copying that from something he sees as suitably dramatic (often TV) or he's copying you (have you done that to him)?
Thats going to be your biggest hurdle - keeping the communication going.
Perhaps a short break will help, or perhaps a new relationship is what happens next. Its impossible to predict through text.

I hope some of this helped some of your anxiety.

(in reply to defiantbadgirl)
Profile   Post #: 35
RE: Does total submission make a master lose interest? - 3/19/2006 8:21:22 PM   
skinnykitten


Posts: 35
Joined: 11/13/2005
Status: offline
As I'm not a switch, I don't have anything directly relevant to your particular situation. Still, may as well give it a bash

The man in question, and I don't mean to be overly negative or offensive, seems a little wishy-washy re. what he wants - a problem that lots of people have to negotiate - but this must be compounded when you're a switch... If he doesn't know what he wants, he cannot and should not expect you to. To this end, the only thing you can do with these situations is sit down and have a yarn until you're both on the same page...

To me, keeping in mind that this is only one side of the story, it does appear that he's putting all the blame on you for his indecision and lack of self-knowledge and communication. It is up to you whether you put up with this or not, but you have to ask yourself I suppose what is the price for staying in such a relationship? Is it worth your self-respect, or having to second guess everthing he says and does in order to fill the gaps his lack of communication and openness has left?

From a personal perspective (which you can by all means take or leave) you're better off finding someone who is honest and open and knows what they want - from themselves and from you. Too many games and too much drama otherwise.

(p.s. The Valentines Day thing, I mean this in a respectful manner, are you sure that he's not seeing someone else? I had a friend who's partner went a.w.o.l over Valentines day and it turned out that he had another girlfriend on the side?)

Whatever happens, I wish you the very best

Carly


(in reply to TheFamily)
Profile   Post #: 36
RE: Does total submission make a master lose interest? - 3/19/2006 8:31:44 PM   
RiotGirl


Posts: 3149
Status: offline
well if some one gave me total submission, i would lose interest.

but then i'm not a Dom

(in reply to defiantbadgirl)
Profile   Post #: 37
RE: Does total submission make a master lose interest? - 3/20/2006 3:16:28 PM   
temptingsub


Posts: 1
Joined: 12/2/2005
Status: offline
Well, I will say this.....Sir claims I have strong switch tendencys but I have never tried to bring them out and when I submited completly he told me I lost myself....dont know but...who knows

(in reply to KnightofMists)
Profile   Post #: 38
RE: Does total submission make a master lose interest? - 3/20/2006 3:22:41 PM   
cillydom


Posts: 332
Joined: 3/3/2006
Status: offline
i'm clueless too, but then i'm male

(in reply to slavejali)
Profile   Post #: 39
RE: Does total submission make a master lose interest? - 3/20/2006 3:26:16 PM   
cillydom


Posts: 332
Joined: 3/3/2006
Status: offline
Some seem to think that deep submission is easy for a dom to handle, but it’s not it also demands a lot of care and attention

(in reply to defiantbadgirl)
Profile   Post #: 40
Page:   <<   < prev  1 [2] 3   next >   >>
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Ask a Master >> RE: Does total submission make a master lose interest? Page: <<   < prev  1 [2] 3   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.094