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RE: Too Picky??? - 9/21/2009 8:47:48 PM   
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It's not all I want but having been a serial dater and also having had many serious relationships in the past I know that a laundry list of qualities you look for in a mates personality is about as useful as a shit flavored lillipop when it comes to compatibility. That stuff is worked out in the conversations. I guess I could at least make it sound like I care so you have a point.

Interesting view. Many people see the elusive "personality" as the holy grail in the persona of someone but, when I think a bit more analytically about it, you (intentionally or not) raise an rather unexpected point: whether the things that inevitably attract us to someone thoroughly (the intangible chemistry that so often either clicks or doesn't) isn't actually the base upon which we mold and adjust our own personalities to mesh better with partners who awaken that intoxication in us. The very core concept of the eternally equitable "compromise" is based on the very notion that something (whether the individuals wish to call it "love" or anything else) transcends even our normal traits to where it is considered emotionally viable to conform so as to fit a relationship with someone who has flipped our switch. At least from personal experience, looking back, I can't actually say that the exes of mine who have had that intangible ability to rev my inner engine necessarily possessed qualities that I would consider in line with ideal preferences.


Exactamundo! I couldn't have said it better myself. Love and attraction is a sub level of communication that can't be put into words.

I actually have 3-4 girls who seem so far to be serious about wanting to be my fuckdoll. I've been talking with them for a month now and these kinds of "attraction" things are being worked out.

When a man sees a woman he desires he doesn't think "wow, look at the personality on her! I'm gonna go find out what her looks are like!". If you couldn't guess, it's quite the opposite. We choose our potential mates first by physical attraction and then we find out if there is any mental attraction. Mental attraction has never been achieved by reading somebody's online laundry list of qualities. But again, I could at least make it sound like it matters.

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RE: Too Picky??? - 9/21/2009 8:49:40 PM   
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I didn't realise that a big pair of tit's signified a class act. lol Shall we consider men with big cocks a class act?


Who said it did?

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RE: Too Picky??? - 9/21/2009 8:56:40 PM   
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I didn't realise that a big pair of tit's signified a class act. lol Shall we consider men with big cocks a class act?


Heh. If all it took to be a class act was a big pair of tits, many of my more full-figured female friends would be singing Hallelujahs.

It takes:

1. Youth - this is the big one; anyone over 30 is too old to be a "power trophy". This is why most CEOs maintain a wife to signify their stability and a mistress to signify their potency.
2. Good skin and teeth - if the girl isn't clearly a product of excellent childhood health care and hygiene, it simply won't have the intended effect when you parade it around on your arm.
3. A thin build, but slightly muscular - about one or two steps up from the supermodel-waif look is preferrable; it needs to look like the perfect Hollywood image of sexual desirability.
4. Tits, ass and waist in a slightly surreal proportion, without being too outlandish (unless you can pull off the deliberately outlandish look, and you're okay with using the girl to broadcast a certain "edgy" nuance in your image, in which case - go for it.)
5. A cultivated poise and body language that broadcasts perfect balance and precise control - the sort of thing you get from parents who could afford to send their daughter to years of ballet and gymastics lessons as a child.
6. A pleasantly submissive demeanor, that clearly understands everything that's being discussed, but knows better than to put forward its own opinion - note: this last one isn't strictly necessary; it's entirely possible to work with someone with no clue what's going on, and even turn the cluelessness into an asset, but you're going to have to make up for it in categories 1-5, especially 1 and 4.

The key to remember here, is that a good girl is like a good suit - it's an expensive accessory that lets everyone at the party know what kind of person you are.

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RE: Too Picky??? - 9/21/2009 9:01:38 PM   
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Also, specifically regarding the tits: It's perfectly possible to use someone with practically no cleavage whatsoever, if they have a sufficiently youthful appearance and the athletic, "gymnast" build. In fact, it can work better than the "primped bimbo" look in many circumstances, because it singles you out. It's like showing up in a red Lotus 2-seater when everyone else is in their silver BMW's. You're basically saying, "yeah, I'm not even playing the same game as you guys, and I'm still out-competing you."



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RE: Too Picky??? - 9/21/2009 9:03:15 PM   
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In general... lol... the guys who want the big tit's... trophy babe's, even if it takes surgery to get one. I haven't heard anyone mention a Master's degree and a great high paying job. Nope... just appearance. You can buy boob's... you can buy an education... but you can't buy brains.

You know.. I did laugh with that... I do think it is funny. I've been around a lot of men and boy when they got those bought boobies, they were all proud of that! Show'em your tit's baby... see what daddy bought and she would giggle and show them.

Signed... a smaller boobed trophy of many years... from California... who had brains... though they don't work so well anymore. lol It's all the nature of the beast... I find humor in it all. So sue me. lol

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RE: Too Picky??? - 9/21/2009 9:03:23 PM   
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and what are those trophy's looking for?

Money.

and where are they finding that money?

sure isnt on line!

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RE: Too Picky??? - 9/21/2009 9:07:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bimtrain

I actually have 3-4 girls who seem so far to be serious about wanting to be my fuckdoll.


Don't take this the wrong way.  But un-fucking-believable. 

I was about to go on a big rant about how in the eff you can find people lining up for that while I'm having a difficult time finding people to sign on for "lets talk and get to know each other," but then I noticed where that you live in California.  Explains everything, really.  California.

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ORIGINAL: Bimtrain
When a man sees a woman he desires he doesn't think "wow, look at the personality on her! I'm gonna go find out what her looks are like!". If you couldn't guess, it's quite the opposite. We choose our potential mates first by physical attraction and then we find out if there is any mental attraction. Mental attraction has never been achieved by reading somebody's online laundry list of qualities. But again, I could at least make it sound like it matters.


Ya know the one positive thing about meeting people on the Internet is that it is actually possible to find someone psychologically, socially, and emotionally attractive before you ever judge their appearance.  On rare occasions the Internet can thus be used to push past some of that initial superficiality and make you feel like someone is really cool and interesting before you find out whether or not they're a supermodel.

Also, and you have to keep in mind that my thought processes about attraction are highly backwards from most of the rest of the population... but when I was in college hot girls were so common that I truly did not care.  I'd be hanging out with some acquaintances after a class or something and be cut off mid sentence by someone saying "Dude check out the blank on this chick," (or some such thing, you get the idea).  And I'd say (or at least think to myself, but occasionally actually say), "Yes yes... another hot girl.  We didn't just see one 10 seconds ago and we certainly may never see one again."  It was college.  They were everywhere... at some point you stop caring.

Far... far... more rare for me was meeting a girl who could talk to me for 30 seconds without coming off as a vapid moron.  These were the people that I actually wanted to deal with more.  Basically, Bimtrain... even though your statement is completely correct based on human nature and how it works... I'm trying to disagree with you anyway.  Mental attraction is much more difficult to find... the Internet can offer an unbiased window straight into that... it's not that physical attraction is unimportant, but physical attraction is commonplace.

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RE: Too Picky??? - 9/21/2009 9:10:31 PM   
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and what are those trophy's looking for?

Money.

and where are they finding that money?

sure isnt on line!


Oh, absolutely. ;) Although, to be honest, you can get some of them with the *appearance* of money, and you can get some of them with things other than money.

It is, in fact, possible to go all Michael J Fox/"Secrets of My Success" and actually pull it off. It is, in fact, hilarious.

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RE: Too Picky??? - 9/21/2009 9:11:10 PM   
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RE: Too Picky??? - 9/21/2009 9:12:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Elipsis

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ORIGINAL: Bimtrain

I actually have 3-4 girls who seem so far to be serious about wanting to be my fuckdoll.


Don't take this the wrong way.  But un-fucking-believable. 

I was about to go on a big rant about how in the eff you can find people lining up for that while I'm having a difficult time finding people to sign on for "lets talk and get to know each other," but then I noticed where that you live in California.  Explains everything, really.  California.


Clearly, Bimtrain has learned the most important first lesson of any predator: go to where the prey is.

You might actually do better in places like Northern California or Oregon, yourself. Maybe even Washington State, depending.

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RE: Too Picky??? - 9/21/2009 9:16:05 PM   
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Seriously.  I either should go way further west, or just more east.

Do you know what this city is known for?  Old people.  #2 in the country in old people.

Anyway sorry, I'm derailing the thread.

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RE: Too Picky??? - 9/21/2009 9:16:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Elipsis

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ORIGINAL: Bimtrain

I actually have 3-4 girls who seem so far to be serious about wanting to be my fuckdoll.


Don't take this the wrong way.  But un-fucking-believable. 

I was about to go on a big rant about how in the eff you can find people lining up for that while I'm having a difficult time finding people to sign on for "lets talk and get to know each other," but then I noticed where that you live in California.  Explains everything, really.  California.




I'm rather curious about that one myself... though I would again suggest that the OP look to himself. I get plenty of CM mail and those that are too abrupt, abrasive, in-your-face or refer to me as "Dear AquaticSub", get responses that vary from the "Are you fucking crazy" to a simple no answer at all.

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RE: Too Picky??? - 9/21/2009 9:18:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rNfZxgkH7k


Oh yes.

And you know what the hilarious thing is? It works. No amount of intelligence, sensitivity, compassion, or self-reliance that a girl can cultivate are ever going to out-compete raw sex-appeal and self-objectification, just like no amount of intelligence, sensitivity, compassion or self-reliance that a boy can cultivate are ever going to out-compete raw aggressiveness and socioeconomic status. Most of the traits that matter in this world are purely superficial, and utterly beyond our control.

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RE: Too Picky??? - 9/21/2009 9:20:23 PM   
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Have we forgotten that a lot of the quickly interested in just about anything are often men? lol

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RE: Too Picky??? - 9/21/2009 9:21:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

I'm rather curious about that one myself... though I would again suggest that the OP look to himself. I get plenty of CM mail and those that are too abrupt, abrasive, in-your-face or refer to me as "Dear AquaticSub", get responses that vary from the "Are you fucking crazy" to a simple no answer at all.


The other stuff makes sense but what's wrong with "Dear AquaticSub," that's totally your username.

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ORIGINAL: Ialdabaoth

Oh yes.

And you know what the hilarious thing is? It works. No amount of intelligence, sensitivity, compassion, or self-reliance that a girl can cultivate are ever going to out-compete raw sex-appeal and self-objectification, just like no amount of intelligence, sensitivity, compassion or self-reliance that a boy can cultivate are ever going to out-compete raw aggressiveness and socioeconomic status. Most of the traits that matter in this world are purely superficial, and utterly beyond our control.


Oh, right.  I couldn't remember why I hated the world for a second there.

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RE: Too Picky??? - 9/21/2009 9:27:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Elipsis

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ORIGINAL: Bimtrain

I actually have 3-4 girls who seem so far to be serious about wanting to be my fuckdoll.


Don't take this the wrong way. But un-fucking-believable.

I was about to go on a big rant about how in the eff you can find people lining up for that while I'm having a difficult time finding people to sign on for "lets talk and get to know each other," but then I noticed where that you live in California. Explains everything, really. California.


quote:

ORIGINAL: Bimtrain
When a man sees a woman he desires he doesn't think "wow, look at the personality on her! I'm gonna go find out what her looks are like!". If you couldn't guess, it's quite the opposite. We choose our potential mates first by physical attraction and then we find out if there is any mental attraction. Mental attraction has never been achieved by reading somebody's online laundry list of qualities. But again, I could at least make it sound like it matters.


Ya know the one positive thing about meeting people on the Internet is that it is actually possible to find someone psychologically, socially, and emotionally attractive before you ever judge their appearance. On rare occasions the Internet can thus be used to push past some of that initial superficiality and make you feel like someone is really cool and interesting before you find out whether or not they're a supermodel.

Also, and you have to keep in mind that my thought processes about attraction are highly backwards from most of the rest of the population... but when I was in college hot girls were so common that I truly did not care. I'd be hanging out with some acquaintances after a class or something and be cut off mid sentence by someone saying "Dude check out the blank on this chick," (or some such thing, you get the idea). And I'd say (or at least think to myself, but occasionally actually say), "Yes yes... another hot girl. We didn't just see one 10 seconds ago and we certainly may never see one again." It was college. They were everywhere... at some point you stop caring.

Far... far... more rare for me was meeting a girl who could talk to me for 30 seconds without coming off as a vapid moron. These were the people that I actually wanted to deal with more. Basically, Bimtrain... even though your statement is completely correct based on human nature and how it works... I'm trying to disagree with you anyway. Mental attraction is much more difficult to find... the Internet can offer an unbiased window straight into that... it's not that physical attraction is unimportant, but physical attraction is commonplace.


Through most of my life I would have agreed wholeheartedly. I too went to school in a place that was littered with really hot college girls. And now I live in Los Angeles which certainly lives up to its reputation. I go to Hollywood clubs and flirt with all the dimes, 10's whatever you wanna call them and I have my fun. But most of them while in the ball park aren't quite as hot as I want, mostly because they're already attractive enough to have any man (except me of course, lol) so why bother going the extra mile? Also, because they can get any guy they want they have a sense of entitlement. They generally feel they can use men and at best be equal. They're never submissive. Well, some of them are submissive in bed but never outside and certainly aren't potential slave material. This is where they fall short and why I decided to tap into the BDSM community. I want a slave or at least someone EXTREMELY submissive.

Also, while I agree the internet is a great tool for getting to know more about the person on the inside before investing in them, simply looking at a profile and a list of qualities is not nearly enough. Countless have appeared perfect but have been far from it and vice versa.

Again, I've experienced the value of having an emotional and mental connection with someone. I've decided to make that take a back seat to my physical desires but it is still present.

Hot girls are indeed a dime a dozen but the one I seek is as rare as they come.

I don't know why this quote is not coming out with the right format. I keep correcting it to no avail

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RE: Too Picky??? - 9/21/2009 9:29:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Elipsis

Seriously.  I either should go way further west, or just more east.

Do you know what this city is known for?  Old people.  #2 in the country in old people.

Anyway sorry, I'm derailing the thread.



Yes, but it's okay, we need a side-stop.

If I may, I think you're falling into "Nice Guy Syndrome". It's a trap!!

You're doing a lot of things because you genuinely care about them, but (I'm betting) you're ALSO lamenting that they don't get you the same ease of results that being a grade-A asshole seems to get other people.

The thing that the grade-A asshole will never understand is the idea that virtue is its own reward.

Listen, I've had the bimbo. I've also had the deep, sensitive girl that I could share my most intimate thoughts with. And they were both fun. I've never had the same level of success - with either of them - as someone a foot taller than me, with 100 lbs of more muscle and $500,000 more in his bank account could have. I've had six sexual partners in my life, and every single one of them lasted more than 2 years. I've maintained a poly household. I've maintained a 7-year committed relationship. I've maintained a 4-year monogomous pair-bond. I've been the envy of the local fetish scene with the amount of play I was getting. And yet my track record sucks compares to people like Bimtrain.

Before I start rambling further, let me try to pull some thread of coherence out of all of this:

First, stop trying to be a Nice Guy and start trying to be a Good Person. They're remarkably similar - so similar, in fact, that you can often accidentally slip into one when you think you're still doing the other. It is better to be Good than to be Nice. Being Good is its own reward. Being Good is about doing things because they're what need to be done. Not because they're the right thing to do, per se, not because they make you a "good person", and certainly not because people will think better of you - but because doing them will make the world a better place for everyone stuck in it. So keep being good.

Second - and this is an extension of #1 - always remember that Being Good is its own reward. More specifically, I mean that you don't Be Good to pick up chicks, and if you find yourself lamenting that Being Good isn't getting you laid as much as Being A Jerk gets other people laid, it's time to question your motivations. On the other hand, don't be too hard on yourself - you need to Be Good to you, too, and remember that sometimes you're going to get frustrated or desperate or jealous. This too shall pass.

Third - realize that, while you may not have the same short-term success rate as other people, if you stick at it you will eventually learn to succeed. Think of life as a kind of game, with no referee and no scorekeeper. All the asshole tricks that you see working are cheating. And if you want to cheat, great - there's ultimately no rules except the ones you make. But if you choose to make rules for yourself, then try to actually live by them. How much more satisfying is it to learn to win by playing - to learn the actual skills and traits of a master player - than to fall back on the "easy" path of cheating your way to victory?

So, yeah. Hang in there. Even if you don't get what you want as soon as you want it, remember that that isn't the path you chose, and the path you're on has its own rewards.

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RE: Too Picky??? - 9/21/2009 9:48:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

and what are those trophy's looking for?

Money.

and where are they finding that money?

sure isnt on line!


A: There are seven attraction switches. Fame/power and wealth are only two. The others can be just as powerful. This is true of nearly all women.

B: This is why I want a slave first and then I want to turn them into the trophy.

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quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

and what are those trophy's looking for?

Money.

and where are they finding that money?

sure isnt on line!


Oh, absolutely. ;) Although, to be honest, you can get some of them with the *appearance* of money, and you can get some of them with things other than money.

It is, in fact, possible to go all Michael J Fox/"Secrets of My Success" and actually pull it off. It is, in fact, hilarious.


There are certain traits that people naturally assume go together. These are wealth, intelligence, height, style, presence and overall togetherness, charm. There are others but these are the main ones. If you can exhibit a good chunk of those the others will be assumed. People assumptions are their own fault.

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Seriously. I either should go way further west, or just more east.

Do you know what this city is known for? Old people. #2 in the country in old people.

Anyway sorry, I'm derailing the thread.



I have a friend that lives there. You're totally right, it's disgusting. If you dig the eastern vibe try Boston. Otherwise Cali is where it's at!

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

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ORIGINAL: Elipsis

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ORIGINAL: Bimtrain

I actually have 3-4 girls who seem so far to be serious about wanting to be my fuckdoll.


Don't take this the wrong way. But un-fucking-believable.

I was about to go on a big rant about how in the eff you can find people lining up for that while I'm having a difficult time finding people to sign on for "lets talk and get to know each other," but then I noticed where that you live in California. Explains everything, really. California.



I'm rather curious about that one myself... though I would again suggest that the OP look to himself. I get plenty of CM mail and those that are too abrupt, abrasive, in-your-face or refer to me as "Dear AquaticSub", get responses that vary from the "Are you fucking crazy" to a simple no answer at all.



These are girls I've been talking to nearly every day for at least a month. That doesn't mean it's not just a fantasy for them but they are at this point much more than some stupid cam girl writing me.

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RE: Too Picky??? - 9/21/2009 9:51:27 PM   
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The key to remember here, is that a good girl is like a good suit - it's an expensive accessory that lets everyone at the party know what kind of person you are.


Absolutely; however, only really insecure people give a rat's bum what "everyone at the party" thinks of them.

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RE: Too Picky??? - 9/21/2009 9:55:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Venatrix

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ORIGINAL: Ialdabaoth

The key to remember here, is that a good girl is like a good suit - it's an expensive accessory that lets everyone at the party know what kind of person you are.


Absolutely; however, only really insecure people give a rat's bum what "everyone at the party" thinks of them.


On the one hand I totally agree with you but on the other the ultimate currency in this world is relationships, personal, professional or otherwise and appearance often weighs heavily on them.

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