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tazzygirl -> RE: Looks Like Joe Wilson was right ... (9/25/2009 7:09:54 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Archer

Half the problem with making the illegals legal with a stroke of the pen is it discourages those who are willing to wait their turn in line for one of the very low 60,000 Mexcican quota slots a year, from following the law/ legal path. Why wait in line when you can cross illegally and know that if you wait a few years another amnesty bill will come along.



I havent heard of amnesty being offered again. Again, i would be against that completely. I do believe everyone here illegally has to correct their status.. through proper channels. I also believe they should be allowed the time to do so... no rush rush fear fear.. kind of thing. Most who are here illegally are lawful and hard working. Why wouldnt we want to have them as citizens?




Archer -> RE: Looks Like Joe Wilson was right ... (9/25/2009 7:29:39 AM)

There are 4 or 5 people in this post promoting the idea, as well as citing quotes from the President about the idea. No it's not in process as in a bill at the moment.
It is tangentally related because it's a debate point in the Healthcare Bills.

See article link in Post #46





Archer -> RE: Looks Like Joe Wilson was right ... (9/25/2009 7:34:10 AM)

Even President Obama has pointed to the idea that "Back of the line bud" is the right thing to do.
He said it in the campaign and I hope that he will hold to it. But I fear that it will end up stripped out of any Bill due to political expediency.

Direct from the Whitehouse Website

President Obama supports a system that allows undocumented immigrants who are in good standing to pay a fine, learn English, and go to the back of the line for the opportunity to become citizens.


http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/immigration/







tazzygirl -> RE: Looks Like Joe Wilson was right ... (9/25/2009 7:42:42 AM)

I can agree with a pathway... i dont agree with blanket amnesty... and thats not what i see Obama as promoting.

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Obama said a new immigration system will be difficult to achieve: "It's going to require bipartisan cooperation. There are going to be demagogues out there who try to suggest that any form of pathway for legalization for those who are already in the United States is unacceptable. ...

"But ultimately I think the American people want fairness. And we can create a system in which you have strong border security, we have an orderly process for people to come in, but we're also giving an opportunity for those who are already in the United States to be able to achieve a pathway to citizenship so that they don't have to live in the shadows and their children and their grandchildren can have a full participation in -- in the United States."


http://www.ameripac.org/immigration/obama-illegals-to-have-full-participation-in-the-us/




Archer -> RE: Looks Like Joe Wilson was right ... (9/25/2009 7:58:07 AM)

I hear the talk from the President, the problem is I don't have faith that he will stick to his guns on the speech talking points.

I believe he would "settle" and sign a bill that goes the amnesty route, for political expediency.
He is after all a politician, and they all right left center have been shown to toss principal under the bus when it advances or threatens their agenda.




tazzygirl -> RE: Looks Like Joe Wilson was right ... (9/25/2009 8:40:33 AM)

I dont believe in putting words into his mouth anymore than i did into Bushes. Obama has the ability to dismantle Medicare... to shovel health care down everyones throats... to settle back and do nothing. Lets wait to see what he actually has in mind before we start sparing with windmills.




Archer -> RE: Looks Like Joe Wilson was right ... (9/25/2009 8:54:26 AM)

Whereas I say hold his feet to the fire now so that we don't have to undo the damage.






Arpig -> RE: Looks Like Joe Wilson was right ... (9/25/2009 8:55:46 AM)

Fast reply~
The more I think about it, the more I would be willing to try Merc and StrangerThan's idea of cracking down really heavily on those that employ them. I think this effort will fail due to the sheer size of the problem, but I do think it should be given a try before moving to an amnesty, sometimes one must try something even if its likely to fail (like the negotiations with Saddam before the first Gulf War).
In order for this system to work, there would have to be some fast and accurate way for employers to determine the status of potential employees, but I am sure some such system could be devised.




mnottertail -> RE: Looks Like Joe Wilson was right ... (9/25/2009 9:04:11 AM)

Bank seizure tactics on the personnel files, there are laws about id and whatnot and storing with employee records.......you ain't got it, you lose, take off your pants, Del Monte.

OceanSprayAdjudicator




popeye1250 -> RE: Looks Like Joe Wilson was right ... (9/25/2009 11:45:46 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Archer

I hear the talk from the President, the problem is I don't have faith that he will stick to his guns on the speech talking points.

I believe he would "settle" and sign a bill that goes the amnesty route, for political expediency.
He is after all a politician, and they all right left center have been shown to toss principal under the bus when it advances or threatens their agenda.



Archer, how could it be "politicaly expedient" if more than 90% of Americans are against any type of "amnesty.?"
The last time Bush tried that we broke the Senate phone system with the shear volume of calls! If Obama even tries to go down that road he'll be walking right into a shitstorm and he'll be a one term president like Carter.
It really makes you wonder where a president's allegience lies if he tries that crap! Certainly not to the American People!
Our government needs to start *listening* to The People not trying to dictate to us!
Here's an idea, why not stop all immigration for 10-20 years wile we get all the illegal aliens deported? We need a break as immigration is totally out of control. We let in about one million legally each year, that's like adding a city the size of Philadelphia every year!
I'd be in favor of letting in 25-30 thousand per year after that with skills that we need. We certainly don't need anymore foreign nationals to suck off our medical or welfare systems and especially in our schools.
As for grunt work we don't have any shortage of high school dropouts or welfare recipients to perform those types of jobs!
Hell, I could take out an ad next week for 100 house painters and half of them would have some type of "degree!"
We are a country of laws, it's a federal felony to hire an illegal alien, it's a federal felony to enter the country othe than through a legl port of entry.
It's a federal felony to send money through the USPS that was obtained illegally, "Mailfraud", if they use a wire service like Western Union it's called "Wirefraud", again a federal felony. We have U.S. Citizens in prison for these offenses, since when do illegal aliens get a "pass" on federal felonies?
We currenty have 4,000 Ice officers for the whole country! If we had 100,000 of them we could clear up this mess within five years.
The people we elect to public office are getting paid to do a job. They don't get to decide what they "feel" like doing!
If your boss tells you to do something you do it, if you don't you get fired. I can't understand how the people in our government think that enforcing our laws is "optional." WTF did that type of stinking thinking come from?
They are not the "management", they're the "hired help."I want all of our laws strictly enforced. And anyone who hires illegal aliens should do 3-5 years in federal prison no execptions.
It's odd, why are we not hearing talk of "amnesties" for rapists and murders?




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