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RE: Why are collars important to a slave? - 9/23/2009 5:09:34 PM   
Sunnyfey


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They're important for the same reason a wedding ring is to a bride.


why are they important to a bride?

If you had read the post, you would have noticed thats the question I'm trying to answer. I'm trying to stay away from pat or cop out answers like this. It really isn't an answer, its a statement that gives little information on the subject at all.


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RE: Why are collars important to a slave? - 9/23/2009 6:25:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		This has to be one of the most honest, open, transparent posts I have read here. Definitely no flames from Me, only heartfelt empathy.

I also agree with IronBear ... since Your heart is leading You to untie the knots, do it. It is a symbolic way of loosening the strings and moving on. Someone who loves as You do deserves to be free to find someone with whom to share that love.

May You find Your freedom and Your one.
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Edited to say "THIS REFERS TO THE POST ON P 3 by kagesensei ... I thought I'd hit QUOTE not REPLY! Oops!"

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RE: Why are collars important to a slave? - 9/23/2009 7:59:08 PM   
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to mark territory


Couldn't we just pee around the perimeter?

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RE: Why are collars important to a slave? - 9/23/2009 8:03:20 PM   
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to mark territory


Couldn't we just pee around the perimeter?


Watersports are a hard limit for me


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RE: Why are collars important to a slave? - 9/24/2009 9:52:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting posts. I appreciate the warm welcome. I... I ... I know I will untie the collar. It's just a trip. For I was truly trying to "stay friends" with someone that meant alot to Me. She seemed like she'd be a great friend. And that we'd be able to call on each other in times of need. But alas no more. Thank you everyone for your comments. A special thanks to IronBear He hit the nail on the head on how that collar binds both of us.

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RE: Why are collars important to a slave? - 9/24/2009 10:19:22 AM   
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to mark territory


Couldn't we just pee around the perimeter?


Sure You could. But wouldnt it take alot of effort, considering that He would have to pee around me constantly as i was moving around. Wouldnt another Dom in fact have to be able to reconize that she has been "peed" on.
and the to mark territory was in question of why we need a flag, or rather what is a flag.

Please remove the knots, kagesensei, they are chocking me, and i dont even know You. Major hugs.

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RE: Why are collars important to a slave? - 9/24/2009 11:14:27 AM   
OrionAndi


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Status: offline 		I am not a lifestyle slave/sub by any means, Though me being presented with a collar was very important to Orion.. and in all honesty he does value it more than I.

It is quite bulky and will only wear it when we are "playing". I dont have an emotional attachment to it because i dont wear it all the time. In saying that I do feel emotionally attached to is the delicate chain with a small heart shaped pendant around my neck. I am not in anyway a matialistic person. I dont tend to wear jewelery all that often, but this necklace I wear Everyday. Because we live miles apart its a way of keeping him close making me feel secure.A constant reminder which I tend to fiddle with alot too. I feel terribly naked if I have forgotten to slip it on

The last time I went down to visit him I had left my collar at his house when it was time to go home. ( I normally keep it). He felt it was abit of a slap in the face. I thought I had packed it For me it is a symbol of our "secret" behind closed doors and when I wear it, it helps me get into my "role". Though I am truelly honord to be the one that he chose to wear his collar.

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RE: Why are collars important to a slave? - 9/24/2009 11:49:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've never liked wedding rings except as a way to identify if a chick is taken or not, but I think the cool thing with collars is the intoxicating reminder of her total servitude to you.  It's enjoyable to watch a slave on her knees with your dick in her mouth, even though you know she would do it at any time.  In the same way, a collar is enjoyable to look at even if her internal commitment is unquestioned.

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RE: Why are collars important to a slave? - 9/24/2009 12:04:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think the real question of why a slave likes a collar is not complex, but simple; a slave likes being owned, and a collar is a tangible reminder of it.  It appeals to two senses, touch and sight.  Apply a distinct scent to the collar and the slave will probably like it even more.

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RE: Why are collars important to a slave? - 9/24/2009 2:47:32 PM   
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I think the real question of why a slave likes a collar is not complex, but simple; a slave likes being owned, and a collar is a tangible reminder of it.  It appeals to two senses, touch and sight.  Apply a distinct scent to the collar and the slave will probably like it even more.


I like that thought and deep down I think you may be right.... my sir leaves some of his spray where I live so that when I am missing him I spray some on my pillow and I sleep much better... all because it's his smell. If a collar could do that... wow!!!

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RE: Why are collars important to a slave? - 9/24/2009 3:06:13 PM   
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to mark territory


Couldn't we just pee around the perimeter?


There is no way I am going to get into a pissing competition around the boundary with my male malamute! Bloody hell he'd just keep heading to the water trough and refilling.

The thought of it reminds me when I spent a two year stint running a drilling and blasting company contracted to three open cut gold mines out of Kalgoorlie in Western Australia. Our main mine was in the desert with trees planted about the camp, several times each evening drunken miners would head out from the bar to one tree.. The PEE TREE and with no less the tewnty at a time would stand in a circle pissing at the bloody tree. This was repeated several times a night, seven day a week until the bar was closed each evening.  Was indeed a sight to see for company officials visiting.


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RE: Why are collars important to a slave? - 9/24/2009 4:37:19 PM   
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I've seen the "permanent collar" equated to a wedding band so many times its mind boggling. So kids, whats the engagement ring then?


Personally, I view a collar as a "pre-engagement" ring, with the engagement and wedding rings to follow.  I view it as a progression.... collar, then engagement ring, then wedding ring.







Thats kind of how I see it also. Except I differ a bit, in atht I dont really need a wedding. I'd love one. But I dont need one, unless it came down to say...I badly need health insurance and my job doesnt offer it to me, but his job offers a family plan....etc. Anyway thats off topic.

I think its kind of like for me, simple collar (promise ring), more expensive collar, like titanium (engagement ring) and then THE collar, something with a diamond...(wedding ring). Thats the easiest way to explain it for me anyway. being collared isnt exactly like a vanilla relationship, so something gets lost in the translation.


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RE: Why are collars important to a slave? - 9/24/2009 7:28:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Calla, that's an interesting point! I'm right on the border between Introvert and Extrovert on the Kiersey sorter and such tests. I like having something tangible, but not necessarily public. Getting to keep one of his t-shirts , dried flowers after they were too far gone to stay in the vase, a little gift, or a birthday card has a similar effect for me - it's kind of a piece of him, helping me feel like I belong, rather than the form of the symbol. I haven't been "out" to the general public in any of my 3 D/s-oriented relationships, though a couple of close friends might know that we were a bit kinky. It usually just didn't come up, so collars weren't big on our agenda as a "public" statement.

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RE: Why are collars important to a slave? - 9/24/2009 10:56:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		I love wearing my collar around those who know its meaning because I'm very proud of my owner and I love to show off that I'm his.  Kind of like a wedding ring.  But a traditional wedding ring symbolizes a traditional relationship with traditional morals and organization. A collar, to me, symbolizes our marriage to each other on a different sort of level and it has our own meaning to us and that makes it more special.

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RE: Why are collars important to a slave? - 9/24/2009 11:16:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sunnyfey
Someone asked me this question today, and I realized I could not give a good answer to that question. The answer I did give, really offered no explanation. I told them that it was kind of like a wedding ring. Then I was asked why a wedding ring was important.  I replied with "its an outward symbol of an internal commitment". The person asked why a symbol was important, if the commitment was already made. That one I didn't have an answer for either.
what do you all think?


Hi, Sunnyfey----
I believe that my answer would have been much the same as yours.  I may have gone on to explain that wedding bands came to be worn on the finger that they are because there was the belief that the main vein running within that finger was closest to the heart and may have then waxed somewhat philosophical about the potential additional symbology of a collar. 
Also, I like outward shows of someone calling me theirs and/or of me calling them mine and the wearing of such things shows people who are not immediately privy to the internal commitment that is a knowing between parties that there is such a bond. 
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RE: Why are collars important to a slave? - 9/25/2009 5:42:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		The one relationship that I was in where I was collared and married, I buried the collar with him when I buried him.  The collar that i wore around my neck meant more to me than the wedding band I wore around my finger.  

Yes, I do believe both are symbols of a committment made to each other.  

I too, like others here like the outward symbol to the rest of the world that there is a committment and bond.   

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RE: Why are collars important to a slave? - 9/25/2009 7:00:17 AM   
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I only read the 1st pages of responses so forgive me if this has been addressed already. I do understand the concept of comparing the collar to the wedding ring to show folks you're taken but if you're wearing it in your everyday life what does it mean to the vanilla folks? Do they know you're taken? A wedding ring is easily identifiable to EVERYONE because it's worn on the left hand ring finger and even if it's not a wedding ring, merely jewelry folks will assume because you have a ring on that finger you're taken. 
If your collar resembles a collar what does that tell the vanilla world?  If it resembles a chain, it tells the world you like necklaces. I doubt the majority will relate the chain to a collar but in either scenario to the vanilla world I'm guessing it doesn't convey the message that you're taken.


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RE: Why are collars important to a slave? - 9/25/2009 7:21:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		The vanilla folks simply wont get it. and to me its not a big deal if they dont, cause im not interested in them. Master has no fear of ever losing me, i am His. But even if i was to look it wouldnt be in the vanilla direction. So it's ok if they dont get it. 

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RE: Why are collars important to a slave? - 9/25/2009 9:59:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		For me, although I know in my heart and head that I belong to MasterK, it's good to have a tangible reminder. I can touch the links and feel a sense of security.

It's the only collar (other than a leather play collar) that I've ever worn, and the only one I want.

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RE: Why are collars important to a slave? - 9/25/2009 10:06:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lessthancharmed

I think the real question of why a slave likes a collar is not complex, but simple; a slave likes being owned, and a collar is a tangible reminder of it.  It appeals to two senses, touch and sight.  Apply a distinct scent to the collar and the slave will probably like it even more.



I think you hit the nail on the head, this is almost exactly how I was thinking when I wrote my post above.

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