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sirsholly -> RE: Not "Feeling Special" at all (9/24/2009 3:50:24 AM)

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It sounds to me as if you have self esteem issues.
perhaps peppered with envy?[sm=dunno.gif]




Ialdabaoth -> RE: Not "Feeling Special" at all (9/24/2009 3:57:58 AM)


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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

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It sounds to me as if you have self esteem issues.
perhaps peppered with envy?[sm=dunno.gif]


Probably. I'll be the first to admit, I've got nothing but issues...

the thing is, I've been trying for decades to resolve them. I'm not stupid; I've accomplished great things. I'm just horrible at doing the things that connect accomplishment to recognition. (or, I could be lying. I could very well have accomplished nothing my whole life, and I'm just deluding myself into thinking I've ever done anything right, to avoid the shame of realizing that I've merely pretended to be successful, or smart, or whatever.)

The thing is, as someone already said: no one wants to be around someone who's down all the time. But it's hard to not be down all the time when no one wants to be around you.

It's a chicken-and-egg thing. Maybe I started it. Maybe I've ALWAYS been this way, and I deserve it. Or maybe I got kicked one too many times as a kid. Who cares? That's not what I'm asking about.

What I'm asking about is, when *YOU* - not me - *YOU* - have to deal with those pathetic shits who have given up on themselves and who aren't worth the time or effort they're forcing you to spend on them by continuing to breathe and metabolize in your presence, what do you feel they should do about it?





sirsholly -> RE: Not "Feeling Special" at all (9/24/2009 4:02:37 AM)

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I've accomplished great things. I'm just horrible at doing the things that connect accomplishment to recognition.
i am confused here. Are you saying that you are pleased with your accomplishments but require praise and glory?

If so...why?




NormalOutside -> RE: Not "Feeling Special" at all (9/24/2009 4:06:45 AM)

I see what the OP is getting at, but he seems to suffer from a bit of low self-esteem.




sirsholly -> RE: Not "Feeling Special" at all (9/24/2009 4:08:34 AM)

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What I'm asking about is, when *YOU* - not me - *YOU* - have to deal with those pathetic shits who have given up on themselves and who aren't worth the time or effort they're forcing you to spend on them by continuing to breathe and metabolize in your presence, what do you feel they should do about it?
first..i really disagree that there those who are worthless, not worth the air they breath, etc. We all have value, but there are those who choose to ignore their own worth.

Someone like that...if it is a stranger then perhaps offer all the help you can without becoming an enabler.  Whether they take it or not is their choice.

If it is a loved one then it gets complicated. I would try to find out what is behind the negativity, and again offer whatever help i could. Again...their choice as to what they do. But i probably would be there to help them up if they fall flat on their face.




DesFIP -> RE: Not "Feeling Special" at all (9/24/2009 4:10:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Ialdabaoth
Okay, so how do you "decide" how to see something differently then the way you already see it?


First, the desire to see it differently.
Second, heavy duty therapy.




Ialdabaoth -> RE: Not "Feeling Special" at all (9/24/2009 4:12:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

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I've accomplished great things. I'm just horrible at doing the things that connect accomplishment to recognition.
i am confused here. Are you saying that you are pleased with your accomplishments but require praise and glory?

If so...why?



Let me throw a few parables at you.


A man is hired to design a building. He throws everything of himself into it. He spends months making it perfect. When he's done, he proudly shows off his finished masterpiece.

The company he works for says, "that's nice, but we're not going to pay you for it, because we don't like it."

Why should it matter to him whether his employer approves of his work, as long as he's happy with it?



A man walks into town, looking for work and a place to call home. The first person he meets says "We don't want no niggers here." The first shop-owner he meets says, "we don't want no niggers here." It's the same everywhere. As he walks outside from the fifth store, there's a row of men wearing sheets, winding a rope.

Why should he care what they think about him, as long as he knows in his own heart that he's a good man?



A young girl is doing everything she can to make ends meet, for her and her daughter. She loves her child, and while she's poor, she spends every penny she can on making her daughter's life as happy and fulfilled as possible. But her ex-husband hires a lawyer, and CPS gets involved, and everyone says she's letting some man she's never even met molest her daughter.

Why should she care what CPS thinks, as long as she knows she's being a good mother?




A little boy is standing on the playground with a bloody nose. He's just been punched to the ground for the fifth time in a row, but he refuses to tell the bully, "you're right, I'm a cocksucker. I love sucking cock." The schoolyard recess lady has been watching on the whole time, doing nothing. He knows it's useless to go to the principle, because this is a private school and all the bullies' parents are big donors. He knows that after he gets the beating of his life, he's going to be suspended for a day by the principle, and then they'll tell his parents - and his dad will probably break his jaw, he'll be so mad. All he has to do is bow down and grovel before the bully, and the torment stops for at least another hour. Out of the corner of his eye, he sees another kid behind him picking up a metal pipe. The recess lady is still watching, doing nothing. Everyone wants him to break. Once he breaks, the torment will stop.

Why should he care what these people think of him?




Level -> RE: Not "Feeling Special" at all (9/24/2009 4:20:28 AM)

Sometimes people see themselves as special, but the world refuses to agree. Can you make the world change its mind, or are you a fool for trying?

Some people don't get out of life what they want. Options? Readjust their goals, or be miserable? Or strive to rise above?

Some can rise above, some can't. Doesn't mean they don't have value, it's just that they aren't going to get out of life what they want.

There aren't always great options in life, and we don't always win. Special or not.




sirsholly -> RE: Not "Feeling Special" at all (9/24/2009 4:20:52 AM)

in all three of the parables,  the subjects are handed adversity. They must pull themselves up and protect themselves, fight to get themselves out of an unfair situation. Will the builder take the company to court? Will the victim of racism call the authorities? Will the mom defend both her reputation and, most importantly, her daughter? They will if they believe they are worth the effort.

We all have adversity in our lives, no one is immune.It builds character and it shows each of us what we are made of.

I do not want to offend you, but Sweetie...you were never promised a rose garden.




sirsholly -> RE: Not "Feeling Special" at all (9/24/2009 4:22:33 AM)

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A little boy is standing on the playground with a bloody nose. He's just been punched to the ground for the fifth time in a row, but he refuses to tell the bully, "you're right, I'm a cocksucker. I love sucking cock." The schoolyard recess lady has been watching on the whole time, doing nothing. He knows it's useless to go to the principle, because this is a private school and all the bullies' parents are big donors. He knows that after he gets the beating of his life, he's going to be suspended for a day by the principle, and then they'll tell his parents - and his dad will probably break his jaw, he'll be so mad. All he has to do is bow down and grovel before the bully, and the torment stops for at least another hour. Out of the corner of his eye, he sees another kid behind him picking up a metal pipe. The recess lady is still watching, doing nothing. Everyone wants him to break. Once he breaks, the torment will stop.

Why should he care what these people think of him?
he shouldn't. He needs to care what HE thinks of himself. HE is the one that matters.




sirsholly -> RE: Not "Feeling Special" at all (9/24/2009 4:23:56 AM)

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There aren't always great options in life, and we don't always win.
...but while we're here, we might as well dance. [:)]




Diamond1012 -> RE: Not "Feeling Special" at all (9/24/2009 4:24:13 AM)

well said!!!




ranja -> RE: Not "Feeling Special" at all (9/24/2009 4:26:31 AM)

(And please, spare me the "wonderful unique snowflake BS".)

So what could anybody possibly say that would make you feel special?

I think getting my special needs met as best as i can is something worth trying to achieve and i might succeed by not dwelling too much on how special or not i am, just the best i can be.




Level -> RE: Not "Feeling Special" at all (9/24/2009 4:27:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

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There aren't always great options in life, and we don't always win.
...but while we're here, we might as well dance. [:)]


I agree, my friend, but not everyone sees life that way. They've seen Fred Astair dance, and it fills them with despair that they can't do that, and if they can't, then nothing else will satisfy.

Not saying it's right or wrong, it just is
.




Ialdabaoth -> RE: Not "Feeling Special" at all (9/24/2009 4:29:05 AM)


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ORIGINAL: sirsholly
I do not want to offend you, but Sweetie...you were never promised a rose garden.


Believe me, I'm well aware of that.

Life does not owe any of us a living.

We are not owed a job.

We are not owed respect.

We are not owed love.

We are not owed compassion.

We are not owed courtesy.

We are not owed anything that we cannot take, by force if necessary.



The thing is, I know I don't really have the force to lay to bear. At a certain point, regardless of how you want things to turn out, you kinda have to lay down and accept the world for what it is. "Life on life's terms", and all that. And sometimes that means rotting in jail for a few decades while you wait to get shanked for being a pedophile, even if you never touched the boy. Sometimes that means being born with rock-hard skin that's crushing your organs and bulging your eyes out like two bloodshot grapes, until you dying screaming at 2 hours old. Sometimes that means just... living out a pointless, worthless life, not having the mental fortitude to rise above your inadequacies.

Them's the breaks, you know?




sirsholly -> RE: Not "Feeling Special" at all (9/24/2009 4:39:43 AM)

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The thing is, I know I don't really have the force to lay to bear. At a certain point, regardless of how you want things to turn out, you kinda have to lay down and accept the world for what it is. "Life on life's terms", and all that. And sometimes that means rotting in jail for a few decades while you wait to get shanked for being a pedophile, even if you never touched the boy. Sometimes that means being born with rock-hard skin that's crushing your organs and bulging your eyes out like two bloodshot grapes, until you dying screaming at 2 hours old. Sometimes that means just... living out a pointless, worthless life, not having the mental fortitude to rise above your inadequacies.

Them's the breaks, you know?

[sm=banghead.gif]

*sigh*




Ialdabaoth -> RE: Not "Feeling Special" at all (9/24/2009 4:41:58 AM)


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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

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Them's the breaks, you know?

[sm=banghead.gif]

*sigh*



I'm really sorry if this is being frustrating; that's not my intention. Like I said before - I think we have radically different assumptions about the world.




marie2 -> RE: Not "Feeling Special" at all (9/24/2009 4:53:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Ialdabaoth


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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

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Them's the breaks, you know?

[sm=banghead.gif]

*sigh*



I'm really sorry if this is being frustrating; that's not my intention. Like I said before - I think we have radically different assumptions about the world.


And that's the crux of it.




Ialdabaoth -> RE: Not "Feeling Special" at all (9/24/2009 4:55:07 AM)


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ORIGINAL: marie2
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I think we have radically different assumptions about the world.


And that's the crux of it.



Unfortunately, one cannot build or change one's assumptions about the world tabula rasa. I can only accept worldviews that are reachable, one way or another, from within my current worldview. As can you...

so now what?




ranja -> RE: Not "Feeling Special" at all (9/24/2009 4:58:20 AM)

cheer up?




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