quote:

I have a comment to make & am genuinely curious : the OP's post was a really simple question, and I'm wondering if this meets the criteria of a " hijack" ?  This isn't sarcasm- I'm asking a legit question, as I think if people wanted to do this they could have  taken it to another thread rather than shoving the op aside and running with their own feelings(not directed at any one person) and just taking over someone else's thing to the point of forgetting about them. I think this person who asked a simple question got thrown under the bus because  people saw an oppurtunity to play word games, not to mention bicker, and he / she was in the way.....

quote:

ORIGINAL: abuddingdom
Or, maybe I'm wrong. If so, correct me, but lest I hijack the hijack why don't you just cmail me. Or if it doesn't count unless everyone reads it one can copy&paste this and even start another thread, something like : Correcting abuddingdom" ?

quote:

ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

but you are right i was very fortunate to have found a wonderful Master who is ethical and compassionate. i very easily could have fallen into much more dangerous hands. however even in my Master i inevitably push those buttons which release his inner Beast, and he may subject me to things which he would not in a clearer state of mind. i accept this because i accept all of him, and furthermore i think it's only healthy to allow the Beast free reign every now and then, even if i must suffer in the process.

quote:

ORIGINAL: KateyCaine

i love the way that you put that, Daddysredhead - sums it up in a beautiful, sensitive and truthful way :)

After reading the posts on this topic, i find it rather upsetting the amount of recriminations flying around towards those that embrace the lifestyle to that extent. A lot of references have been made to involuntary servitude and FORCED slavery - Yes, i agree, some of the things that happen in this world are horrendous and beyond comprehension; the issue that we are discussing is TPE 24/7, which is supposed to be consensual, loving and rewarding for those who feel an innate, fundamental need to express their true selves by living these roles.

It isn't for everyone, however it does make me sad to see others bashing people who choose this, with finger-pointing and hurtful, self-righteous statements, and comparing something that is empowering, life-giving and an expression of absolute unconditional trust to atrocities. If you do find voluntary slavery or 24/7 Master/slave relationships abhorrent, then the lifestyle is not for you, and there is nothing wrong with that. It's all the differences in the world that make life so colorful and bright :)

k.

quote:

ORIGINAL: DavanKael

Lucienne----
Your assumptions and assertions are polar and off-base. 
OP, you'll find a lot of people are rather dogmatic about their ideas and the baggage they associate with certain terms.  I am taking issue with Lucinenne doing this as well as his insulting friends of mine and judging their marital relationship. 
There are some folks on here whose words have a lot of veacity and credibility and others, not so much.  Read some posts and you will likely understand where truism lies. 
Best wishes, 
Davan

quote:

ORIGINAL: Elisabella

quote:

ORIGINAL: DavanKael

Lucienne----
Your assumptions and assertions are polar and off-base. 
OP, you'll find a lot of people are rather dogmatic about their ideas and the baggage they associate with certain terms.  I am taking issue with Lucinenne doing this as well as his insulting friends of mine and judging their marital relationship. 
There are some folks on here whose words have a lot of veacity and credibility and others, not so much.  Read some posts and you will likely understand where truism lies. 
Best wishes, 
Davan

I don't think it's the term "slave" that she's associating baggage with, but rather the fact that he said that if he were in a slave owning culture she would be his slave and that he views her exactly the way slave owners view their slaves in those cultures.

If someone raped her, would he be satisfied with the law giving the rapist a $1000 fine for misdemeanor damage to property? Would he console her about it or get angry that it was detracting from her work and sell her?

Would he divorce her? In slave owning societies slaves weren't allowed legal marriages. He'd have to divorce her, but from the 'wife' comment I assume they're married at the moment, why? Power of attorney, automatic inheritance, shared retirement benefits? Um yeah, if your dog can't have it a slave can't have it, not in a society where there's legal slavery.

I also assume that if he lost his job and wasn't able to pay his credit card debt, he'd be understanding when someone came to take his wife as payment. She's property after all, and they've got to seize all assets. She'd probably resell for less than the car.

I don't mind so much when people use the words 'slave' and 'master' to describe their personal relationships, but to make a thoughtless remark that you treat your BDSM slave the same way slaves are treated in a society that has legal or tacitly approved slavery does bother me. Not because all legal slaves are miserable or nonconsenting (it was always possible to sell yourself into indentured servitude to pay debts) but because I don't think people really think about what it means for the other person to be property in a legal sense. It's far more than how you, the dominant person, treats her - its how EVERYONE will treat her and Leadership I don't think you're the type of person who would want to subject her to a society that treats her as a disposable object, no matter how you act toward her at home.

quote:

ORIGINAL: abuddingdom
I have a comment to make & am genuinely curious : the OP's post was a really simple question, and I'm wondering if this meets the criteria of a " hijack" ?  This isn't sarcasm- I'm asking a legit question, as I think if people wanted to do this they could have  taken it to another thread rather than shoving the op aside and running with their own feelings(not directed at any one person) and just taking over someone else's thing to the point of forgetting about them.

I think this person who asked a simple question got thrown under the bus because  people saw an oppurtunity to play word games, not to mention bicker, and he / she was in the way.....

quote:

ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

quote:

ORIGINAL: ranja


Also it seems to me that it was exactly because of your own attempt at getting as much peace, pleasure and the right type of sex (for you) that you chose this path... were you not a slave, then you would not be happy is it not?

were i not a slave, i would not be alive. for me, it was not a matter of "this path could lead to the most happiness and pleasure," it was more, "this path is the only one which could allow for peace as it is the only one which will allow for survival."

quote:

ORIGINAL: abuddingdom

OK - I've been watching this one for days with what I call "internet fascination". It happens to me when I see things take on an entire life of its own to the point that the origin  has virtually disappeared and doesn't even exist. It didn't get as virulent as sometimes happens, but a couple times I thought it was headed in that direction and was suprised noone really went over the edge. Thanks for those of you for at least holding  back in that regard. Compared to most of you regulars I'm pretty new to the CM boards , I've  been posting here for less than a year, I think(I didn't check dates). Being new to the "scene" , I have a comment to make & am genuinely curious : the OP's post was a really simple question, and I'm wondering if this meets the criteria of a " hijack" ?  This isn't sarcasm- I'm asking a legit question, as I think if people wanted to do this they could have  taken it to another thread rather than shoving the op aside and running with their own feelings(not directed at any one person) and just taking over someone else's thing to the point of forgetting about them.

quote:

ORIGINAL: ranja

quote:

ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

quote:

ORIGINAL: ranja


Also it seems to me that it was exactly because of your own attempt at getting as much peace, pleasure and the right type of sex (for you) that you chose this path... were you not a slave, then you would not be happy is it not?

were i not a slave, i would not be alive. for me, it was not a matter of "this path could lead to the most happiness and pleasure," it was more, "this path is the only one which could allow for peace as it is the only one which will allow for survival."

I don't really understand  how you go from "one day i was a single girl, no ties to anyone, free to do as i willed..." to: i better become a slave like immediately otherwise i will drop dead.... Unless your Master came along and put a gun to your head and said you either be my slave now or i'll shoot... and luckily that was exactly the thing that you had wished for that day...
your wishing for it doesn't make it legal though and you would be considered a victim no matter how you might have welcomed the attack.
What ever the case i am pleased you found peace

quote:

ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

i am a slave "literally" because my life is completely controlled by my Owner, my future is his to shape, and if he wills it he can decide i have no future at all.

quote:

ORIGINAL: happylittlepet



Do you mean to say that he can decide to kill you or that your relationship with him can be terminated?

i meant it exactly as i stated it.

quote:

ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

but you are right i was very fortunate to have found a wonderful Master who is ethical and compassionate. i very easily could have fallen into much more dangerous hands. however even in my Master i inevitably push those buttons which release his inner Beast, and he may subject me to things which he would not in a clearer state of mind. i accept this because i accept all of him, and furthermore i think it's only healthy to allow the Beast free reign every now and then, even if i must suffer in the process.

quote:

ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

The irony of threads like this is that the debates and questions are not much different in mainstream society...

What is TPE 24/7? ...... Well what is a Marriage


What is a Master/slave.... Well what is a husband/wife.

people's perspectives are all different.... Many in the lifestyle like to make our relationships as unique and special and group than "The Vanilla Marriage"..... but yet... I have yet to see one marriage the same as another.... NO matter what you label it or what their interests... relationships are all kinda of unique even though there similiarities here and there.

I think there is an issue is asking a universal question in hopes to seeking a universal answer when this is a world of unique individuals. I have learned what works for me in my world... and I am not concerned how others label it.... I just know how I label it for me.

Simple questions are hardly simple with such diverse people in this small world of ours.

quote:

ORIGINAL: KateyCaine

i love the way that you put that, Daddysredhead - sums it up in a beautiful, sensitive and truthful way :)

After reading the posts on this topic, i find it rather upsetting the amount of recriminations flying around towards those that embrace the lifestyle to that extent. A lot of references have been made to involuntary servitude and FORCED slavery - Yes, i agree, some of the things that happen in this world are horrendous and beyond comprehension; the issue that we are discussing is TPE 24/7, which is supposed to be consensual, loving and rewarding for those who feel an innate, fundamental need to express their true selves by living these roles.

It isn't for everyone, however it does make me sad to see others bashing people who choose this, with finger-pointing and hurtful, self-righteous statements, and comparing something that is empowering, life-giving and an expression of absolute unconditional trust to atrocities. If you do find voluntary slavery or 24/7 Master/slave relationships abhorrent, then the lifestyle is not for you, and there is nothing wrong with that. It's all the differences in the world that make life so colorful and bright :)

k.

quote:

ORIGINAL: thornhappy

quote:

ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

but you are right i was very fortunate to have found a wonderful Master who is ethical and compassionate. i very easily could have fallen into much more dangerous hands. however even in my Master i inevitably push those buttons which release his inner Beast, and he may subject me to things which he would not in a clearer state of mind. i accept this because i accept all of him, and furthermore i think it's only healthy to allow the Beast free reign every now and then, even if i must suffer in the process.

I question his compassion, based on your past posts.  This is the man who's broken your bones, blackened both your eyes as a result of his discipline while you were at a hotel (and then advised you to pull down your baseball cap and wear sunglasses to mask them), and raped you immediately upon your return from a hospital.  Along with having you declared mentally incompetent, making you his ward, and not restored your legally independent status.

thornhappy

quote:

ORIGINAL: ranja


I don't really understand  how you go from "one day i was a single girl, no ties to anyone, free to do as i willed..." to: i better become a slave like immediately otherwise i will drop dead.... Unless your Master came along and put a gun to your head and said you either be my slave now or i'll shoot... and luckily that was exactly the thing that you had wished for that day...
your wishing for it doesn't make it legal though and you would be considered a victim no matter how you might have welcomed the attack.
What ever the case i am pleased you found peace

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucienne

First, I'll agree with the sentiment that it's nice that daddysprop has found peace.

Second, I'll point out the land mine that everyone who has noticed it is studiously avoiding:

quote:

ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

quote:

ORIGINAL: ranja


I don't really understand  how you go from "one day i was a single girl, no ties to anyone, free to do as i willed..." to: i better become a slave like immediately otherwise i will drop dead.... Unless your Master came along and put a gun to your head and said you either be my slave now or i'll shoot... and luckily that was exactly the thing that you had wished for that day...
your wishing for it doesn't make it legal though and you would be considered a victim no matter how you might have welcomed the attack.
What ever the case i am pleased you found peace

it makes no sense to you because you do not know me or the life i have lived, that is understandable. suffice it to say, before i became a slave, the life i led was extremely destructive. i am not one who is capable of functioning well (or at all really) independently. my nature is such that i tend to follow others and do their will no matter what the detriment to self. couple this type of submissiveness with clinical depression, and it is a deadly mix. that is how my Master saved my life, by taking me on as his slave. from that point forward it was in his hands, not my own, and because he cared for and desired me, i was able to not just survive but to thrive.

quote:

ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

but you are right i was very fortunate to have found a wonderful Master who is ethical and compassionate. i very easily could have fallen into much more dangerous hands. however even in my Master i inevitably push those buttons which release his inner Beast, and he may subject me to things which he would not in a clearer state of mind. i accept this because i accept all of him, and furthermore i think it's only healthy to allow the Beast free reign every now and then, even if i must suffer in the process.