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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/5/2009 7:47:14 AM   
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I don't really understand  how you go from "one day i was a single girl, no ties to anyone, free to do as i willed..." to: i better become a slave like immediately otherwise i will drop dead.... Unless your Master came along and put a gun to your head and said you either be my slave now or i'll shoot... and luckily that was exactly the thing that you had wished for that day...
your wishing for it doesn't make it legal though and you would be considered a victim no matter how you might have welcomed the attack.
What ever the case i am pleased you found peace


it makes no sense to you because you do not know me or the life i have lived, that is understandable. suffice it to say, before i became a slave, the life i led was extremely destructive. i am not one who is capable of functioning well (or at all really) independently. my nature is such that i tend to follow others and do their will no matter what the detriment to self. couple this type of submissiveness with clinical depression, and it is a deadly mix. that is how my Master saved my life, by taking me on as his slave. from that point forward it was in his hands, not my own, and because he cared for and desired me, i was able to not just survive but to thrive.
Apparently you do have a gun to your head, and you pretty much are a slave, pardon me for questioning it.

My motto in life happens to be, "it can always get worse", but, to say your situation is probably better than ending up a skel or a crackho, is not the same thing as promoting it as a healthy D/s relationship, or calling  it dominance as opposed to poor impulse control - we all have to deal with what life dishes and it dishes better to some than to others, but as representatives of a community, we have to maintain some standards if we don't all want to be painted with the same brush, and if true, the story related above raises some questions.

Hope it works out for you.

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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/5/2009 7:47:26 AM   
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ok - "throwing the op under the bus" may not have been the best or even an accurate phrase to use. But, tell me this(since it's correct that the op seems to have bailed and this is going totally of it's own momentum) : once again asa relative newbie to these boards - what does constitute asa thread hijack around here?  From my experience and observation this one fits the bill.I've seen people here leave a thread and start a new one which "sprang from"  the old one by saying that's what they;re doing.  Did this reach a point where it would have been more appropriate  for someone to have  left here and start a new thread?    

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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/5/2009 7:55:54 AM   
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ok - "throwing the op under the bus" may not have been the best or even an accurate phrase to use. But, tell me this(since it's correct that the op seems to have bailed and this is going totally of it's own momentum) : once again asa relative newbie to these boards - what does constitute asa thread hijack around here?  From my experience and observation this one fits the bill.I've seen people here leave a thread and start a new one which "sprang from"  the old one by saying that's what they;re doing.  Did this reach a point where it would have been more appropriate  for someone to have  left here and start a new thread?    


By your own concern and definition, shouldn't you be starting your own thread to ask this question?

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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/5/2009 7:57:14 AM   
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Apparently you do have a gun to your head, and you pretty much are a slave, pardon me for questioning it.

My motto in life happens to be, "it can always get worse", but, to say your situation is probably better than ending up a skel or a crackho, is not the same thing as promoting it as a healthy D/s relationship, or callingĀ  it dominance as opposed to poor impulse control - we all have to deal with what life dishes and it dishes better to some than to others, but as representatives of a community, we have to maintain some standards if we don't all want to be painted with the same brush, and if true, the story related above raises some questions.

Hope it works out for you.



lol...yes, that is what my relationship comes down to...it is better "than ending up a skel or a crackho." if that is the conclusion you have reached from all i have shared, then there's really no point in continuing this.

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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/5/2009 8:03:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: abuddingdom

ok - "throwing the op under the bus" may not have been the best or even an accurate phrase to use. But, tell me this(since it's correct that the op seems to have bailed and this is going totally of it's own momentum) : once again asa relative newbie to these boards - what does constitute asa thread hijack around here?  From my experience and observation this one fits the bill.I've seen people here leave a thread and start a new one which "sprang from"  the old one by saying that's what they;re doing.  Did this reach a point where it would have been more appropriate  for someone to have  left here and start a new thread?    
Again, the OP asked a simple question, the definition of TPE, didn't mention slave at all, and his question was answered TPE = Total Power Exchange - so as far as I know, he already got what he wanted, lot's of acronyms in this, I had to ask what NSW meant the other day.

Ordinarily, my protocol is that I treat the thread originator as thread owner, if they want to mod the thread, and keep things on topic, I'll do my best to honor that.

If the OP is satisfied - this was a simple question, they aren't always that simple - then what happens after that is just forum dynamics.

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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/5/2009 8:05:38 AM   
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Apparently you do have a gun to your head, and you pretty much are a slave, pardon me for questioning it.

My motto in life happens to be, "it can always get worse", but, to say your situation is probably better than ending up a skel or a crackho, is not the same thing as promoting it as a healthy D/s relationship, or calling  it dominance as opposed to poor impulse control - we all have to deal with what life dishes and it dishes better to some than to others, but as representatives of a community, we have to maintain some standards if we don't all want to be painted with the same brush, and if true, the story related above raises some questions.

Hope it works out for you.



lol...yes, that is what my relationship comes down to...it is better "than ending up a skel or a crackho." if that is the conclusion you have reached from all i have shared, then there's really no point in continuing this.
Well it's obviously something worse than having your bones broken.

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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/5/2009 8:24:06 AM   
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I really don't know what the alternative is, and you aren't saying, so I can only guess - you are apparently satisfied, and I'm taking you at our word - in some sense, it isn't a lot different than being trampled and gored by a bull - Rodeo cowboys do that all the time, and they apparently get something out of that, but the difference here is that if a bull is really dangerous, nobody has any qualms about shooting it in the head.

The analog here, is that there isn't a jurisdiction in the country that would hesitate to classify this as abuse, and send your SO straight up the river - the risk you're running here is ending up a ward of the state, at minimum - and things being what they are, probably back out on the street without any protection at all.

Again, I'd really hate for a newbie to read this and think that's what D/s is about - it isn't, it's formally indefensible.

There are people into some gonzo shit, amputation and the like, and I don't judge them either, other than it's crossing the boundaries of legality in a way that threatens to bring the whole thing down if it happened to catch on - the legal envelope that we inhabit here is based on the concept of SSC, otherwise, it's no step at all to call all of it abuse, and start issuing warrants.

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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/5/2009 8:26:44 AM   
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First, I'll agree with the sentiment that it's nice that daddysprop has found peace.

Second, I'll point out the land mine that everyone who has noticed it is studiously avoiding:




what is the "landmine," Lucienne? i am hardly the first nor will i be the last slave in this lifestyle to say (and mean) such a thing.


The board rules do not seem to permit an honest discussion of this, since touching the landmine leads to conclusions that would no doubt be deemed "insulting" by you. When you first spoke of your Master being able to deny you a future, I assumed you meant in terms of him being able to take your life. Now I rather wonder if you're talking about your Master ordering you to take your own life and your willingness to follow that order.

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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/5/2009 8:34:09 AM   
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I question his compassion, based on your past posts.  This is the man who's broken your bones, blackened both your eyes as a result of his discipline while you were at a hotel (and then advised you to pull down your baseball cap and wear sunglasses to mask them), and raped you immediately upon your return from a hospital.  Along with having you declared mentally incompetent, making you his ward, and not restored your legally independent status.



I question his compassion and his sanity.

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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/5/2009 10:15:45 AM   
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It seems always when (a) certain poster(s) start replying to a thread, the reply is always in the category of "I'm slavier than thou" attitude.  It's really a remarkable thing..... One has to wonder whether those replies are meant to convince the masses or the poster him/herself. 

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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/5/2009 10:39:29 AM   
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I really don't know what the alternative is, and you aren't saying, so I can only guess - you are apparently satisfied, and I'm taking you at our word - in some sense, it isn't a lot different than being trampled and gored by a bull - Rodeo cowboys do that all the time, and they apparently get something out of that, but the difference here is that if a bull is really dangerous, nobody has any qualms about shooting it in the head.

When it comes to interpersonal relationships, "dangerous" ends and begins with the assessment of the people in the relationship, not outside eyes. Period.

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ORIGINAL: Amaros

The analog here, is that there isn't a jurisdiction in the country that would hesitate to classify this as abuse, and send your SO straight up the river - the risk you're running here is ending up a ward of the state, at minimum - and things being what they are, probably back out on the street without any protection at all.

Argument from adverse consequences.

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ORIGINAL: Amaros

Again, I'd really hate for a newbie to read this and think that's what D/s is about - it isn't, it's formally indefensible.

Appeal to the emotions of the naive. I'd really hate for a newbie to WIITWD to also be a newbie to a sensible thinking skillset to where they understand the spectrum of things that are done in this subset of people. I'd dislike it even more if a predisposition to a myopic view of what is and isn't acceptable or worthwhile had them putting negative taints on other people's lives as if what they do themselves couldn't just as easily be deemed incompetent by another audience.

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ORIGINAL: Amaros

There are people into some gonzo shit, amputation and the like, and I don't judge them either, other than it's crossing the boundaries of legality in a way that threatens to bring the whole thing down if it happened to catch on - the legal envelope that we inhabit here is based on the concept of SSC, otherwise, it's no step at all to call all of it abuse, and start issuing warrants.

If you want to espouse some altruistic responsibility to every other social minority member to where you feel you should curb a part of yourself because the greater public might make the entire community more suspect, help yourself. The irony, of course, is that you are asking for one type of oppression in order to avoid another, presumably because the choice for willing self-oppression seems more virtuous.

Personally, no thank you.


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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/5/2009 11:02:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Viridana

It seems always when (a) certain poster(s) start replying to a thread, the reply is always in the category of "I'm slavier than thou" attitude.  It's really a remarkable thing..... One has to wonder whether those replies are meant to convince the masses or the poster him/herself. 


no, but what is amusing is how an outside party can determine if the person in question's attitude is not a reflection of their behavior and the service they provide if the one commenting isn't the party being served.

i'd also wonder why this would need to be stated at all since it doesn't reflect the original question posed. that's the beauty of having confidence. remarks like this never break a girl's stride if she's genuine.

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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/5/2009 12:12:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Amaros

I really don't know what the alternative is, and you aren't saying, so I can only guess - you are apparently satisfied, and I'm taking you at our word - in some sense, it isn't a lot different than being trampled and gored by a bull - Rodeo cowboys do that all the time, and they apparently get something out of that, but the difference here is that if a bull is really dangerous, nobody has any qualms about shooting it in the head.

When it comes to interpersonal relationships, "dangerous" ends and begins with the assessment of the people in the relationship, not outside eyes. Period.

I don't get the ''period'' here. What is it you want to add to the conversation?
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ORIGINAL: Amaros

Again, I'd really hate for a newbie to read this and think that's what D/s is about - it isn't, it's formally indefensible.

Appeal to the emotions of the naive. I'd really hate for a newbie to WIITWD to also be a newbie to a sensible thinking skillset to where they understand the spectrum of things that are done in this subset of people. I'd dislike it even more if a predisposition to a myopic view of what is and isn't acceptable or worthwhile had them putting negative taints on other people's lives as if what they do themselves couldn't just as easily be deemed incompetent by another audience.

This would make up for and make the newbie decide to enter a WIITWD of broken bones and worse, you think?
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ORIGINAL: Amaros

There are people into some gonzo shit, amputation and the like, and I don't judge them either, other than it's crossing the boundaries of legality in a way that threatens to bring the whole thing down if it happened to catch on - the legal envelope that we inhabit here is based on the concept of SSC, otherwise, it's no step at all to call all of it abuse, and start issuing warrants.

If you want to espouse some altruistic responsibility to every other social minority member to where you feel you should curb a part of yourself because the greater public might make the entire community more suspect, help yourself. The irony, of course, is that you are asking for one type of oppression in order to avoid another, presumably because the choice for willing self-oppression seems more virtuous.

Personally, no thank you.

Rules should be limited to languages and submissives? I could do you in with you offering yourself to me in the other thread and sunny would be due to me?

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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/5/2009 12:24:17 PM   
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I really don't know what the alternative is, and you aren't saying, so I can only guess - you are apparently satisfied, and I'm taking you at our word - in some sense, it isn't a lot different than being trampled and gored by a bull - Rodeo cowboys do that all the time, and they apparently get something out of that, but the difference here is that if a bull is really dangerous, nobody has any qualms about shooting it in the head.

When it comes to interpersonal relationships, "dangerous" ends and begins with the assessment of the people in the relationship, not outside eyes. Period.

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ORIGINAL: Amaros

The analog here, is that there isn't a jurisdiction in the country that would hesitate to classify this as abuse, and send your SO straight up the river - the risk you're running here is ending up a ward of the state, at minimum - and things being what they are, probably back out on the street without any protection at all.

Argument from adverse consequences.

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ORIGINAL: Amaros

Again, I'd really hate for a newbie to read this and think that's what D/s is about - it isn't, it's formally indefensible.

Appeal to the emotions of the naive. I'd really hate for a newbie to WIITWD to also be a newbie to a sensible thinking skillset to where they understand the spectrum of things that are done in this subset of people. I'd dislike it even more if a predisposition to a myopic view of what is and isn't acceptable or worthwhile had them putting negative taints on other people's lives as if what they do themselves couldn't just as easily be deemed incompetent by another audience.

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ORIGINAL: Amaros

There are people into some gonzo shit, amputation and the like, and I don't judge them either, other than it's crossing the boundaries of legality in a way that threatens to bring the whole thing down if it happened to catch on - the legal envelope that we inhabit here is based on the concept of SSC, otherwise, it's no step at all to call all of it abuse, and start issuing warrants.

If you want to espouse some altruistic responsibility to every other social minority member to where you feel you should curb a part of yourself because the greater public might make the entire community more suspect, help yourself. The irony, of course, is that you are asking for one type of oppression in order to avoid another, presumably because the choice for willing self-oppression seems more virtuous.

Personally, no thank you.

Wrong answer - we are both technically breaking the law by not reporting it, this isn't a few welts.

Your Nihilistic attitude is really cool and shit, but in fact there is a real world, and this is just a subset of it, and in that world, external assessments are made all the time, with real people with real guns and real cages that enforce it.

Informally, this isn't BDSM at all, and she's on the wrong website, being well on her way to becoming a statistic in my opinion, which I feel free to offer; that's what happens when you cross that line, it suddenly does become everybody's business.

After he eventually kills her, he'll be looking for another, for instance, might be your sister.

Promoting it as BDSM does me and everyone else here a disservice particularly those with little experience to hear her spout that "real" slaves allow themselves to be abused, and everybody else is just faking. Bullshit.

And I have no problem questioning a "relationship" based on a full grown adult male beating the fuck out of a girl who looks like she might weigh 100 pounds soaking wet.

That's putting it all tactfully.

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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/5/2009 12:31:31 PM   
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I'd dislike it even more if a predisposition to a myopic view of what is and isn't acceptable or worthwhile had them putting negative taints on other people's lives as if what they do themselves couldn't just as easily be deemed incompetent by another audience.
I have no idea what this even means, but apparently, this girl has been deemed incompetent in a court of law, it's her official legal status.

I happen to have legal guardianship over a couple of people myself, and you better goddamn well believe that I am subject to external assessments if that's deemed necessary. The state is obligated to enforce your rights even if you don't want them to.

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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/5/2009 1:09:28 PM   
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That's putting it all tactfully.


And putting it tactfully, it doesn't matter what you or anyone else thinks or has/hasn't a problem with.  You might want it to matter.  And people might even believe it matters.  But it doesn't.
You can stand up for what you think is right or totally wrong in a persons relationship all you want but you cannot alter their own state of mind unless they want to be altered.  You cannot and should not try to dictate what someone can call anything without trying to enforce your own power into said relationships.  How is that in any way consent - coming from someone espousing ssc?

You cannot 'save' that which doesn't want to be 'saved' or doesn't see things that same way as you.

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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/5/2009 1:16:15 PM   
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There are people into some gonzo shit, amputation and the like, and I don't judge them either, other than it's crossing the boundaries of legality in a way that threatens to bring the whole thing down if it happened to catch on - the legal envelope that we inhabit here is based on the concept of SSC, otherwise, it's no step at all to call all of it abuse, and start issuing warrants.


there goes those acronyms again. i wonder how many lives they save. i mean presumably if someone is hellbent on causing harm, i don't think saying, "stop - RACK, SSC" is going to make them halt and think, "yeah, i was going overboard there for a minute." give me a break, and i don't mean a literal crack!

if my fellow man can't abide by the law of the land. has little respect for the man with a gun. what the heck are two words going to prevent? it is beyond idiotic to believe you're any safer because someone says that's their motto. reality check. you'll find out where they stand when you're engaging, assuming of course that you leave in one piece. pun intended.

but if uttering that little mantra makes your toes curl and provides a mock sense of protection. hey, go with it. it is nothing more than a modern day charm. i think i'll take my chances and stick with the other camp instead.

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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/5/2009 1:25:44 PM   
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using fast reply......

I am sure this whole this topic has been beat beyond death and back a dozen times. For me, it all comes down to taking the time to get to know one another and be certain we are compatible. If someone wishes to belong to me, they had better of done their homework and understand the type of woman I am. Not what my checklist of acceptable limitations are, but my personal moral code, my integrity. If they believe in me, and who I am, what my core beliefs are, they they had better have no limits.

Because for ME, to tell me "I want to be YOUR slave, to belong to YOU" then give me some list of things I cannot do, is an oxymoron. Either she belongs to me or she doesn't. But one thing she will not do, is tell me How I am supposed to be, what I can and cannot do. Not even with or to, her. Not in MY 24/7 TPE.

The above does NOT hold true for all relationships. Not even all relationships in my life, and not even in all of my power exchange relationships. The key is that they had better be damned sure what they are asking for, before they start asking.


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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/5/2009 1:34:05 PM   
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Wrong answer - we are both technically breaking the law by not reporting it, this isn't a few welts.

To keep with the tactful theme, I believe that you're mistaken.  No one is breaking the law here.  There are two things to keep in mind.  First, participants on a website are not mandated reporters.  Second, we have absolutely no way of knowing whether the tales told here are even remotely true or if they are simply the product of an overeager imagination and the desire to screw with complete strangers in a BDSM forum. 

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RE: what is TPE 24/7? - 10/5/2009 2:09:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Amaros

Wrong answer - we are both technically breaking the law by not reporting it, this isn't a few welts.

To keep with the tactful theme, I believe that you're mistaken.  No one is breaking the law here.  There are two things to keep in mind.  First, participants on a website are not mandated reporters.  Second, we have absolutely no way of knowing whether the tales told here are even remotely true or if they are simply the product of an overeager imagination and the desire to screw with complete strangers in a BDSM forum. 

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A judge would have to decide, where I live. Reading other threads those saying to ignore the safe and sane are in favour of the death penalty for less.

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