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RE: Some Adversaries Don't Talk - They Do. - 9/29/2009 11:48:08 PM   
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Hmm. The French think that Obama is weak...


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French President Nicolas Sarkozy is said to have offered to a private gathering some months ago (apparently leaking is as much a pastime in Paris as Washington), that Mr. Obama is weak



the French also think that more than 10% of their film industry product is anyhting more than pointlessly snide self-indulgent repetitive TRIPE.  And a lot of yanks who make fun of said Froggos and love traditional yank culture (which is always made fun of by Froggos, even when those little hypocritical bitchboys love Jazz and Hip Hop invented by yanks in the USA).

So you wanna have fun using a French quote at the expense of Obama by people that make WORSE comments at the expense of Bush whom the French basically view as a chimp dropped on his head at age 2 then addicted to glass pipe meth leading to him being unable to bounce a fucking BASKETBALL?  The French that have used their tax dollars to more than 50% fund THREE EPISODE mini-series (at over an hour per episode) DESTROYING any possible reputation Bush or any Neo Hawk might seek to salvage?

Dude, I am on neither your side NOR Spinners, but seriously, using the French in ANY way in ANY thread like this?  It's a fucking GAFF.

And a pommie would call it a NAFF gaff at that.

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RE: Some Adversaries Don't Talk - They Do. - 9/30/2009 1:17:05 AM   
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Yup - everything is going according to plan and timetable. It's Bush's fault - "All is well!" You guys are just cracking me up today. THANKS!



Merc, you constanly post about Obama, yet fail to get your facts correct, as i stated in post nine. Your comment re Bush needs a reply. Bush signed the nuclear deal with India, which exempted India`s military nuclear capacity from inspection. Please explain how that has anything to do with Obama.

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RE: Some Adversaries Don't Talk - They Do. - 9/30/2009 6:39:26 AM   
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Please explain how that has anything to do with Obama.
Ok - Bush is NOT President.

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RE: Some Adversaries Don't Talk - They Do. - 9/30/2009 6:43:11 AM   
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Yup - everything is going according to plan and timetable. It's Bush's fault - "All is well!" You guys are just cracking me up today. THANKS!



Merc, you constanly post about Obama, yet fail to get your facts correct, as i stated in post nine. Your comment re Bush needs a reply. Bush signed the nuclear deal with India, which exempted India`s military nuclear capacity from inspection. Please explain how that has anything to do with Obama.


Why do you bother? If Obama cant be blamed, they have nothing to fall back on.

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RE: Some Adversaries Don't Talk - They Do. - 9/30/2009 6:46:27 AM   
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Why do you bother? If Obama cant be blamed, they have nothing to fall back on.


Similarly when asked to list Obama's accomplishments or success with his "talk with adversaries" program.

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RE: Some Adversaries Don't Talk - They Do. - 9/30/2009 6:54:37 AM   
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http://www.nationaljournal.com/njonline/no_20080523_5434.php

Is this what you are referring too? I want to be sure we are on the same page in this discussion. Ill check back after work this afternoon.

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RE: Some Adversaries Don't Talk - They Do. - 9/30/2009 7:13:49 AM   
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http://www.nationaljournal.com/njonline/no_20080523_5434.php

Is this what you are referring too? I want to be sure we are on the same page in this discussion. Ill check back after work this afternoon.

I hadn't seen that article. Bolton is as relevant as Bush.

My references are various articles read on the subject, forming my opinion. I compare today's reality with the campaign rhetoric. Disagreeing with the rhetoric is one thing; seeing results and trends that I expected when I disagreed is my point.

A weak President appearing in over his head in any international venue (except maybe the Olympics) is very dangerous. The 'MAD' Cold War policy worked. When there was the threat of fast response for any attack, not only did the big boys, China and USSR, restrain themselves, but any other adversary considering an attack.

Now - I don't think they have that fear. That puts everyone at risk. Another corner that the President has painted for himself. He committed to talk first against adversaries that tend to attack first.

Thanks again for the link, but I didn't need another's opinion to form mine.

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RE: Some Adversaries Don't Talk - They Do. - 9/30/2009 12:14:15 PM   
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Hmm. The French think that Obama is weak...


quote:

French President Nicolas Sarkozy is said to have offered to a private gathering some months ago (apparently leaking is as much a pastime in Paris as Washington), that Mr. Obama is weak



the French also think that more than 10% of their film industry product is anyhting more than pointlessly snide self-indulgent repetitive TRIPE.  And a lot of yanks who make fun of said Froggos and love traditional yank culture (which is always made fun of by Froggos, even when those little hypocritical bitchboys love Jazz and Hip Hop invented by yanks in the USA).

So you wanna have fun using a French quote at the expense of Obama by people that make WORSE comments at the expense of Bush whom the French basically view as a chimp dropped on his head at age 2 then addicted to glass pipe meth leading to him being unable to bounce a fucking BASKETBALL?  The French that have used their tax dollars to more than 50% fund THREE EPISODE mini-series (at over an hour per episode) DESTROYING any possible reputation Bush or any Neo Hawk might seek to salvage?

Dude, I am on neither your side NOR Spinners, but seriously, using the French in ANY way in ANY thread like this?  It's a fucking GAFF.

And a pommie would call it a NAFF gaff at that.


Hollywood is a PR machine.

More then one would guess.  Almost TOXIC!    egads.

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RE: Some Adversaries Don't Talk - They Do. - 9/30/2009 3:25:38 PM   
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Please explain how that has anything to do with Obama.
Ok - Bush is NOT President.


Cop out reply Merc. Bush signed the deal allowing India to opt of from having nuclear military installations inspected. Saying Obama is now President doesnt change that fact.

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RE: Some Adversaries Don't Talk - They Do. - 9/30/2009 3:29:35 PM   
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Why do you bother? If Obama cant be blamed, they have nothing to fall back on.


I bother because I am Taurean and stuborn.

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RE: Some Adversaries Don't Talk - They Do. - 9/30/2009 4:33:43 PM   
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Merc, I say let Europe and/or Israel handle this one.

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RE: Some Adversaries Don't Talk - They Do. - 9/30/2009 4:47:05 PM   
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Why do you bother? If Obama cant be blamed, they have nothing to fall back on.


I bother because I am Taurean and stuborn.


lol... makes two of us

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RE: Some Adversaries Don't Talk - They Do. - 9/30/2009 4:48:47 PM   
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My references are various articles read on the subject, forming my opinion. I compare today's reality with the campaign rhetoric. Disagreeing with the rhetoric is one thing; seeing results and trends that I expected when I disagreed is my point.


That you expected... hmmm... when you disagreed... ahhh

makes sense now, pre-judgement and personal expectations to see only failure works pretty good for you, i take it.

the article wasnt for your benefit... as i stated .. it was for mine.

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RE: Some Adversaries Don't Talk - They Do. - 10/1/2009 6:53:05 AM   
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My references are various articles read on the subject, forming my opinion. I compare today's reality with the campaign rhetoric. Disagreeing with the rhetoric is one thing; seeing results and trends that I expected when I disagreed is my point.

That you expected... hmmm... when you disagreed... ahhh
makes sense now, pre-judgment and personal expectations to see only failure works pretty good for you, i take it.

the article wasn't for your benefit... as i stated .. it was for mine.


Yes - "expected" because is was the logical conclusion. It was his rhetoric until Obama became President - now it's his results. You expected success - how did that work out?

Kinda like the immigration health care issue. Remember your expectations of the Democrats goal not to include the illegal aliens. We differed on that too. However based upon what I read, this is exactly what I expected: Senate Finance Committee Democrats rejected a proposed a requirement that immigrants prove their identity with photo identification when signing up for federal healthcare programs.

It's not "pre-judgment". It's basing an expectation of result on facts and prior examples. Not necessarily expecting failure, but accurately predicting what is occurring now. Were I to come to a conclusion of a positive result; I'd point that out too.

Maybe this latest Democratic initiative can be seen as a positive to those looking for the Health Care Bill to fail. Now you have the same 70% of US citizens against illegal alien amnesty on the side against the current health care Bill Mobilizing them will kill any meaningful health care bill. At best they'll pass something that limits the conditions for raising rates and limiting coverage; with great fanfare and a few dozen more TV appearances.

What's your expectation?

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RE: Some Adversaries Don't Talk - They Do. - 10/1/2009 7:04:00 AM   
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Yes - "expected" because is was the logical conclusion. It was his rhetoric until Obama became President - now it's his results. You expected success - how did that work out?

Kinda like the immigration health care issue. Remember your expectations of the Democrats goal not to include the illegal aliens. We differed on that too. However based upon what I read, this is exactly what I expected: Senate Finance Committee Democrats rejected a proposed a requirement that immigrants prove their identity with photo identification when signing up for federal healthcare programs.

It's not "pre-judgment". It's basing an expectation of result on facts and prior examples. Not necessarily expecting failure, but accurately predicting what is occurring now. Were I to come to a conclusion of a positive result; I'd point that out too.

Maybe this latest Democratic initiative can be seen as a positive to those looking for the Health Care Bill to fail. Now you have the same 70% of US citizens against illegal alien amnesty on the side against the current health care Bill Mobilizing them will kill any meaningful health care bill. At best they'll pass something that limits the conditions for raising rates and limiting coverage; with great fanfare and a few dozen more TV appearances.

What's your expectation?



Your logical conclusion is only yours... not something you can push off onto someone else. Doesnt wash.

As to the health care bill... im expecting alot... possibly more than most realize. But my expectations are my own... based on nothing more than what i expect, not what i was promised, or what was stated.

As far as my expectation for the government at this point... business as usual.. and im being proven correct. Politicians on both sides are only looking as far ahead as the next election. I believe many see this, and arent liking it. We have a government that is more interested in its own pockets an d future than the future of the country or its citizens.

I personally feel its an interest they have come to expect as their right... and its one that needs to be changed.

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RE: Some Adversaries Don't Talk - They Do. - 10/1/2009 7:10:11 AM   
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You forgot to comment on the latest news concerning the health care bill. If I remember, you represented that if it included illegal aliens you would be against it. Seems like the "lie!" accusation was correct too; considering this deliberate omission by the Democratic majority.

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As far as my expectation for the government at this point... business as usual.. and im being proven correct.


I'm glad you have come to agree with my expectation; however it occurred.

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RE: Some Adversaries Don't Talk - They Do. - 10/1/2009 7:13:06 AM   
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It was the biggest setback to date for liberal Democrats, but did not kill the possibility of a public insurance option's being included in final legislation. Liberals argue that such a plan is needed to increase competition among insurance companies, rein in costs and guarantee affordable coverage for all Americans.

Backing an amendment by Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., the liberals were rebuffed by five centrist Democrats, some of whom argued that such a plan would bankrupt hospitals in rural areas, while others expressed concern that it would hurt the private insurance industry that is important to their communities -- and their campaign treasuries.

All 10 of the panel's Republicans also voted no.
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Other Democrats voting against the public option were Arkansas Sen. Blanche Lincoln, who may face a tough re-election fight in 2010 in a conservative state; Florida Sen. Bill Nelson, a former state insurance commissioner worried about its effect on the private insurance companies; and Delaware Sen. Tom Carper, who shared those concerns. Mr. Nelson and Mr. Carper were the two who switched sides and voted for the Schumer amendment.

GOP opponents included Maine Sen. Olympia Snowe, the only Republican who is even considering supporting the bill. But she did not speak during yesterday's debate, while one Republican after another denounced the idea as the equivalent of a government takeover of health insurance. "It is a slow walk toward government control," said Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa.

Proponents of the government program want consumers to have access to one option that is not profit-driven, and thus can charge less. Without that, they argue, there will be no pressure on private insurance firms to hold down premiums.

"It would simply guarantee there is at least one health insurance plan in the exchange ... that ordinary Americans can afford and count on," Mr. Rockefeller said. "It acts as a counterweight to the way I would characterize health insurance companies -- I love to use the word 'rapacious.' "

Republicans said the government program would turn from an option to a dominant force, because it would be hard for private companies to compete with government's ability to operate at a low cost. As Mr. Grassley put it: "The government is not a competitor. It is a predator."



Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09273/1001808-84.stm?cmpid=nationworld.xml#ixzz0Sh37vDTb


My problem with all this is the insurance companies are deep in the pockets of politicians... and no one is calling them on their bs. If a company cannot compete, they should not be in business... pretty much business 101. Yet we are being told that because the government... read that as the people... are sick of being gouged and raked over the coals by private insurance companies, we are predators against the private companies and are trying to drive them out of business. Well, guess what... maybe its time that happens.

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RE: Some Adversaries Don't Talk - They Do. - 10/1/2009 7:29:27 AM   
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You forgot to comment on the latest news concerning the health care bill. If I remember, you represented that if it included illegal aliens you would be against it. Seems like the "lie!" accusation was correct too; considering this deliberate omission by the Democratic majority.

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As far as my expectation for the government at this point... business as usual.. and im being proven correct.


I'm glad you have come to agree with my expectation; however it occurred.


Actually, no, the "lie" was not proven correct, because it was aimed at Obama and HIS plan, which i have shown did include how to deal with registration processes.

And i chose not to comment on the Senate incident because its being discussed based upon one report. I prefer to have more than one source... and not just many sources linking back to one. Too many of these "sites" are far too biased.

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RE: Some Adversaries Don't Talk - They Do. - 10/1/2009 7:35:42 AM   
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Well, appreciating you documenting information, but it wasn't a response to the question. With the exclusion of a verification provision in the final version are you going to be against the health care bill as you previously represented?

My expectation is that there will be no public option coming out of Baucus committee; unless submitted for political purposes with no expectation of passage.

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RE: Some Adversaries Don't Talk - They Do. - 10/1/2009 7:39:29 AM   
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There wont be one coming out of the Baucus committee. Problem is, from what im understanding, is that the end House and the end Senate versions will be so different that they both will end back up in a congressional committee to hammer out the differences. So, even if Baucus doesnt want, or doesnt believe, something will "be allowed" it may end up in the final version.

And, yes, if the bill allows for illegals to so easily access the system, i will be against it, as i have said before.

As far as the posting, it was in reference as to WHY the committee members are voting as they are.

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