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Girl dies after HPV Jab. - 9/30/2009 1:27:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		This occured yesterday and has not been posted.  I was waiting to see an outcome before posting to avoid fearmongering and we have had one today.  I am sure there will be more.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8279656.stm

And todays update.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8281673.stm

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RE: Girl dies after HPV Jab. - 9/30/2009 4:32:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		It said she had an unknown medical condition which caused her death. Not related to the vaccine.

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RE: Girl dies after HPV Jab. - 9/30/2009 4:38:15 AM   
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RE: Girl dies after HPV Jab. - 9/30/2009 4:47:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		It doesn't matter what is said now about the real cause of death; there is going to be a backlash amongst certain parts of communities against this immunisation now. i have a daughter and if she was at that age, she would absolutely be having the jab.

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RE: Girl dies after HPV Jab. - 9/30/2009 4:53:27 AM   
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There could possibly  be the highly unlikely chance that the vaccine and the tragic loss of this beautiful child are not related but you will never convince her family or the other parents who are going to veto this vaccine because of this incident.


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RE: Girl dies after HPV Jab. - 9/30/2009 4:53:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you could!  I cannot... and it sucks.
I sat with my girl and we have discussed it and even spoken to the doctor.  The choice for her to have the jab has been met with nothing but brick walls and at nearly 15, we are told she is in the 'catchup' criteria which could be a long as 3 years.
I find that ludicrous.  After attending clinics and seperate doctor surgeries we cannot even get it done privately because it isn't available that way.

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RE: Girl dies after HPV Jab. - 9/30/2009 4:55:22 AM   
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It doesn't matter what is said now about the real cause of death; there is going to be a backlash amongst certain parts of communities against this immunisation now. i have a daughter and if she was at that age, she would absolutely be having the jab.

gabrielle
i do not have a daughter, but if i did there is no way in hell she would be having this vaccine without a detailed explanation of what was the cause of this babies death.


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RE: Girl dies after HPV Jab. - 9/30/2009 4:56:01 AM   
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RE: Girl dies after HPV Jab. - 9/30/2009 4:59:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		We would certainly consider it should our efforts totally fail here and something I will now be looking into.
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RE: Girl dies after HPV Jab. - 9/30/2009 5:04:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi holly.
I do completely understand your view.  I was kind of relieved when I didn't see this posted when it first happened because I have already seen the panic it caused here in the UK.  Which is why I waited for the other part of the news.

Although they have not issued details of why the girl died - which with doctor/patient confidentiality etc I can understand - I believe it would be helpful to know so that people can be aware that if there is even a chance the jab reacting with an ongoing illness or medical issue - people should be made aware and take relevant steps to check.  If they go into further deatils, I will post them on this thread.

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RE: Girl dies after HPV Jab. - 9/30/2009 5:10:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

If you could!  I cannot... and it sucks.
I sat with my girl and we have discussed it and even spoken to the doctor.  The choice for her to have the jab has been met with nothing but brick walls and at nearly 15, we are told she is in the 'catchup' criteria which could be a long as 3 years.
I find that ludicrous.  After attending clinics and seperate doctor surgeries we cannot even get it done privately because it isn't available that way.

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i am astonished but at the same time so not suprised..... Ah, why does it seem that things like this are always going to let folk down. Nearly 15 and she can't have it?? Makes me want to kick something. i thought that some chemists were able to offer it to older girls now? Must have been wrong about that. i do so hope something changes soon, good luck!

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RE: Girl dies after HPV Jab. - 9/30/2009 5:14:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		I haven't heard of chemists doing it unfortunately.  If you do see it advertised anywhere - please let me know... because I have come up with nada.  They are doing it at her school, but not for her yeargroup.  14/15/16 year old and that whole cross over of birthdays are preety much excluded and there is a three year catchup on it.

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RE: Girl dies after HPV Jab. - 9/30/2009 5:14:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		This article states the vaccine wasn't the cause of death. However, i am not sure while tragic why this is shocking, the States have reported deaths with regard to the vaccine prior to this. There are kids who die from vaccinations every year even with old vaccinations such as the ones they get as babies, the chicken pox etc - but due to the "old"ness of the vaccinations its not newsworthy anymore. This vaccination is new so death associated with it is newsworthy.

My curiosity is what is the ratio between deaths from the vaccination and the deaths from the cancer and if the vaccination is working? Its almost like playing russian roulette. I wouldn't want to be a parent having to make this decision but i think many times the numbers and stats have to be put in perspective. NO one wants a child to die from something that is supposed to be attempting to save their lives, but it happens. Do they pull it because a few children died but 1000s of women are saved due to not getting the cancer? Sometimes these questions are the hardest ones to answer because the death of a child is always hard to deal with in any sense.

Death is always a possible whenever you take any type of medical procedure, whether it be surgery, medications or vaccinations. But in this case they have actually determined that it was not the vaccine that caused the death from what the article says.

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RE: Girl dies after HPV Jab. - 9/30/2009 5:38:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think it is newsworthy simply because it is a new vaccine, sadly I think it makes headlines because of the risking public backlash about vaccines in general. As you've stated people have always died from those considered to be the safest vaccines but this single case makes news now because it fits in with the current furore regarding vaccines.

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RE: Girl dies after HPV Jab. - 9/30/2009 9:11:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

This article states the vaccine wasn't the cause of death. However, i am not sure while tragic why this is shocking, the States have reported deaths with regard to the vaccine prior to this.

Actually CDC says no deaths as a result of the HPV vaccine have occured.
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/vaers/gardasil.htm

It is important to keep in mind that anytime you're dealing with a large group of people all doing something it is inevitable that some unrelated things are going to happen to some number of that large group. So if millions of girls are getting vaccinated then some number will die of some other cause no matter what and the vaccine is not to blame unless it can be shown that the cause of deaths has a pattern or a similiar underlying root cause.

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RE: Girl dies after HPV Jab. - 9/30/2009 5:23:41 PM   
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RE: Girl dies after HPV Jab. - 9/30/2009 5:34:34 PM   
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With everything on your health DO your own research.   People spend more time looking up flat screen Tvs and cell phones then on their own health  actions per the medical industrial complex.    (nods head in disbelief)

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RE: Girl dies after HPV Jab. - 9/30/2009 5:43:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		I came across a recent science article ("Don't Blame Flu Shots For All Ills" - yes, I know it's not flu) that talked about the problem with correlation vs causation in these events; you must look at the death rates and causes that would happen anyway.  You'd need to see a statistically different rate compared to the "baseline" rate to start associating it with a vaccine or medication.

Another simple truth that if a treatment, vaccine, or medication causes 1 in 1,000,000 deaths, you will not be able to prevent it unless you never have said treatments, etc.  And the death rate from lack of those treatments may be much higher than the risk due to treatment (look at measles, whooping cough, tetanus, smallpox, etc.)  And if people start opting out in large numbers, herd immunity's lost and the unvaccinated folks lose their gamble.

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RE: Girl dies after HPV Jab. - 9/30/2009 6:10:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		But if people die from the disease, or because of the disease have a reduced reproductive success, then the process of evolution through natural selection will confer herd immunity against the disease on the evolved population.

I would like to be cured from the herpes virus. I would like everybody to be cured from whatever disease afflicts them and, if worthy, to live forever. As someone with a good grasp of biology, though, I say: vaccinations are interfering with our evolution of disease resistance.

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RE: Girl dies after HPV Jab. - 9/30/2009 6:23:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Rule

But if people die from the disease, or because of the disease have a reduced reproductive success, then the process of evolution through natural selection will confer herd immunity against the disease on the evolved population.

I would like to be cured from the herpes virus. I would like everybody to be cured from whatever disease afflicts them and, if worthy, to live forever. As someone with a good grasp of biology, though, I say: vaccinations are interfering with our evolution of disease resistance.


I had a frank talk with Jenny over all this today.  I could hear she was noting it all.

Around 1980 Reagan deregulated portions of the pharma industry.   Since 1980 there has been an increase in what I call "junk science".

You may recall rx tv ads were banned prior to 1980.

Ask your DR if  deedle dee pill is right for you.  (of course it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)   courtesy of slick reapportionment of US laws.


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