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Wizzard of OZ- what does it MEAN? - 10/3/2009 9:47:28 AM   
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What if any is the hidden meaning of the wizard of OZ.?

I seen a blurb on how it is all about federal reserve notes...  $.   But I have heard of this type of thing in many forms on many wives tales-fables..  what ever you call it.

Does the Wizard of OZ have a hidden meaning?

You may recall- a black version put out called "The Wiz"?   Does this version have a hidden meaning.

The "ring around the Rosie" thing that UMs do- that had a meaning not too good.

A bible - and a deck of cards have similarities.

And yet- my hunch is the Wizard of Oz could have many hidden meanings- intended or not...

So what is your assessment - of this piece of work?
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RE: Wizzard of OZ- what does it MEAN? - 10/3/2009 9:54:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		It was prescient, in that it fortold the coming of Frank OZ and kermit the frog, and actually hearkened back to the future and Yoda.

Sean Connory did a extensive treatise on the subject called Zardoz and ran around in diapers and women swooned.

Ron

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RE: Wizzard of OZ- what does it MEAN? - 10/3/2009 9:58:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

It was prescient, in that it fortold the coming of Frank OZ and kermit the frog, and actually hearkened back to the future and Yoda.

Sean Connory did a extensive treatise on the subject called Zardoz and ran around in diapers and women swooned.

Ron


You lost me.  LOL.

I don't get it.

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RE: Wizzard of OZ- what does it MEAN? - 10/3/2009 9:59:54 AM   
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And yes, the literary folks have found ALL sorts of meanings behind the American Fairy Tale Wizard of Oz, over the years.  Here are a couple:  http://members.cox.net/stegokitty/dsotr_pages/hidden_meaning.htm 



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RE: Wizzard of OZ- what does it MEAN? - 10/3/2009 10:11:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		http://moneyonaccount.com/downloads/RedemptionByMethod/the_wizard_of_oz.pdf     ...this is a good read!

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RE: Wizzard of OZ- what does it MEAN? - 10/3/2009 10:15:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aylee

http://www.snopes.com/language/literary/rosie.asp (ring around the rosie)

And yes, the literary folks have found ALL sorts of meanings behind the American Fairy Tale Wizard of Oz, over the years.  Here are a couple:  http://members.cox.net/stegokitty/dsotr_pages/hidden_meaning.htm 




thanks!

From the pdf posted  ... ->
The tin-man, our Taxpayer-Identification-Number (TIN) man, is a hollow man of tin, a vessel, or vehicle; newly created code words for our strawman. [not being sexist here as one could say, ‘hollow woman of tin’ or ‘strawwoman’.]

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RE: Wizzard of OZ- what does it MEAN? - 10/3/2009 10:24:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		well since TINs (first in the form of SSNs) did not come into being until around mid to late 1936 and Baum wrote the book in 1900.......even desi would say that luci got some slplaining to do.

You bic buchu dinki dao?

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RE: Wizzard of OZ- what does it MEAN? - 10/3/2009 10:33:02 AM   
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Cecil Adams discussed this with his usual aplomb . . . ..

Have ya ever read the original book? I read it to the offspring & it's different than the Judy Garland movie . . . . I'd read the above Straight Dope column before I'd read the book, & after reading the book I was even more mystified about the supposed allegory / metaphor that was supposed to be going on than I had been with the movie as context . . . .

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RE: Wizzard of OZ- what does it MEAN? - 10/3/2009 10:42:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DemonKia

FR, after somewhat tongue-in-cheek read thru

Cecil Adams discussed this with his usual aplomb . . . ..

Have ya ever read the original book? I read it to the offspring & it's different than the Judy Garland movie . . . . I'd read the above Straight Dope column before I'd read the book, & after reading the book I was even more mystified about the supposed allegory / metaphor that was supposed to be going on than I had been with the movie as context . . . .

I think L Frank Baum is meant to have hated the film.

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RE: Wizzard of OZ- what does it MEAN? - 10/3/2009 10:42:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DemonKia

FR, after somewhat tongue-in-cheek read thru

Cecil Adams discussed this with his usual aplomb . . . ..

Have ya ever read the original book? I read it to the offspring & it's different than the Judy Garland movie . . . . I'd read the above Straight Dope column before I'd read the book, & after reading the book I was even more mystified about the supposed allegory / metaphor that was supposed to be going on than I had been with the movie as context . . . .




Maybe it is simply group dynamics.   good link!

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RE: Wizzard of OZ- what does it MEAN? - 10/3/2009 10:54:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Glad you liked; Cecil is a great source, lots of fun with his facts . . .

As a writer I can tell you why L Frank Baum did what he did -- for the narrative of it . . . .

Just like the comedians do what they do cuz it's funny, writer's do what they do to further plot or character or both . . . . . That's their prime function, ideally . . . . & having read Wizard of Oz I feel confident in parsing it as leaning more plot-oriented than character-oriented, lol . .. .

Truth is, most fiction I've ever read that had political messages buried in them are pretty obvious about it, good, bad or indifferent . . . . . Heinlein, for instance, could get downright preachy with his social & political views . .. . . & Bill Shakespeare is chock full o' stuff about current affairs of his times, artfully rendered, some of it even discernible to the untutored modern mind . . . . .

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Maybe it is simply group dynamics.   good link!


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RE: Wizzard of OZ- what does it MEAN? - 10/3/2009 10:57:55 AM   
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RE: Wizzard of OZ- what does it MEAN? - 10/3/2009 11:12:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DemonKia

Glad you liked; Cecil is a great source, lots of fun with his facts . . .

As a writer I can tell you why L Frank Baum did what he did -- for the narrative of it . . . .

Just like the comedians do what they do cuz it's funny, writer's do what they do to further plot or character or both . . . . . That's their prime function, ideally . . . . & having read Wizard of Oz I feel confident in parsing it as leaning more plot-oriented than character-oriented, lol . .. .

Truth is, most fiction I've ever read that had political messages buried in them are pretty obvious about it, good, bad or indifferent . . . . . Heinlein, for instance, could get downright preachy with his social & political views . .. . . & Bill Shakespeare is chock full o' stuff about current affairs of his times, artfully rendered, some of it even discernible to the untutored modern mind . . . . .

The hatchet job on Richard III is very hard to miss, for a start.

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RE: Wizzard of OZ- what does it MEAN? - 10/3/2009 11:16:42 AM   
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RE: Wizzard of OZ- what does it MEAN? - 10/3/2009 11:30:20 AM   
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Actually, now that I'm cogitating today's swirl, it occurs to me that the Puritan / Calvinist erotophobia has a pernicious hold & distorts the ability to hold onto the reality that so many other times & cultures have been so much more frank in their dealings with the erotic. Um, Chaucer's Canterbury Tales is also quite bawdy in places . . ... .

I remember how shocking it was when I would discover so much sex tucked all about the 'classics', & generally naughty sex at that (back when I was younger & more innocent, lol) . . . . & that's without delving into the 'Heloise & Abelard' schools of literature . . . . .

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and very baudy, here and there, let's keep that in mind.


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RE: Wizzard of OZ- what does it MEAN? - 10/3/2009 12:09:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wonderful_Wizard_of_Oz#The_Gold_Standard_representation_of_the_story


-- >  excerpt   -->   ...[/link]theorized that the images and characters used by Baum and Denslow closely resembled political images that were well known in the 1890s, specifically the debate of the day regarding monetary policy: the "Yellow Brick Road" represents the [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_standard]gold standard, the silver slippers (which were ruby slippers in the film version) represent the sixteen to one silver ratio (dancing down the road) /snip


Interesting.  

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RE: Wizzard of OZ- what does it MEAN? - 10/3/2009 12:13:30 PM   
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RE: Wizzard of OZ- what does it MEAN? - 10/3/2009 1:51:42 PM   
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RE: Wizzard of OZ- what does it MEAN? - 10/3/2009 2:06:27 PM   
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RE: Wizzard of OZ- what does it MEAN? - 10/3/2009 2:21:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just realized the PDF I linked here is not the piece I intended.   The piece I intended was the good read- not the one posted.

I will try to locate the correct link - thanks for understanding.  (as a rule I don't mix message boards..)

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