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IronBear -> RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics (10/8/2009 7:15:01 PM)
The Nebbish refers to itself as one of the "Good Guys". never yet met a Good Guy who is a biased, annal and yet so derogatory to both women and others who have different opinions as well as those who challenge him. I do note that it has pointedly avoided responding to posts or parts of posts which may show him to be something quite inferior. All I see is something which is to intolerant and stupid to admit when it may be in error, misconstrued something, or even to do what Men do which is to agree to disagree. Instead it pours insult after insult. One would think by now it might have understood that it has got off side with a good number of regular and valued posters. Dumb not to listen when person after person tells it the same thing but because it is so bloody narrow minded it appears to lack even the basic manners.

Lucienne -> RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics (10/8/2009 7:18:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: IronBear The Nebbish refers to itself as one of the "Good Guys". never yet met a Good Guy who is a biased, annal and yet so derogatory to both women and others who have different opinions as well as those who challenge him. I do note that it has pointedly avoided responding to posts or parts of posts which may show him to be something quite inferior. All I see is something which is to intolerant and stupid to admit when it may be in error, misconstrued something, or even to do what Men do which is to agree to disagree. Instead it pours insult after insult. One would think by now it might have understood that it has got off side with a good number of regular and valued posters. Dumb not to listen when person after person tells it the same thing but because it is so bloody narrow minded it appears to lack even the basic manners. Just my personal opinion... referring to him as "it" is pathetic.

IronBear -> RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics (10/8/2009 7:26:48 PM)
To each his own you are welcome to your opinions.

porcelaine -> RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics (10/8/2009 8:27:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Not so fast there, I lOVE spinach, and you may not insult the kink of another on this board.....withdraw that statement!!!!!! i swallowed my nice pill today. i'm not insulting anyone. [;)] porcelaine

LaTigresse -> RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics (10/8/2009 8:39:00 PM)
I ate some spinach, but it didn't do anything for my "nice". I also had A LOT of wine since 3:30 this afternoon so I think the less I hop into serious discussion, the better Madame Eleven and I will continue to co-habitate here[:D]

porcelaine -> RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics (10/8/2009 8:52:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse I ate some spinach, but it didn't do anything for my "nice". I also had A LOT of wine since 3:30 this afternoon so I think the less I hop into serious discussion, the better Madame Eleven and I will continue to co-habitate here[:D] laughs and trades my pill for the wine i bet it was good Ma'am! porcelaine

MartinP -> RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics (10/9/2009 4:10:27 AM)
Lucienne, thank you very much for your kind and courageous intervention, but please, let IronBear be himself. The insults that this gentleman throws at me are quite entertaining, although a bit repetitive recently. I have never been insulted in Yiddisch! by an Australian! Also, you may notice that this gentleman is quite important since the injunction of the moderator does not seem to bother him the least, so I suppose I should be flattered.

sirsholly -> RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics (10/9/2009 4:15:59 AM)
quote: I have never been insulted in Yiddisch! by an Australian! i doubt anyone has. It's Yiddish

justagirlinzh -> RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics (10/9/2009 4:59:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MartinP Lucienne, thank you very much for your kind and courageous intervention, but please, let IronBear be himself. The insults that this gentleman throws at me are quite entertaining, although a bit repetitive recently. I have never been insulted in Yiddisch! by an Australian! Also, you may notice that this gentleman is quite important since the injunction of the moderator does not seem to bother him the least, so I suppose I should be flattered. You should probably concern yourself with your insulting brand of sexism. "helpless woman"? Has is occurred to you that his girl has a brain, is of sound mind and body, and has consented to being in his service and all that it entails? Just like plenty of other women in the service of a men have done before her.

MartinP -> RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics (10/9/2009 6:27:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly quote: I have never been insulted in Yiddisch! by an Australian! i doubt anyone has. It's Yiddish Yes in English, but how do you spell it in Jiddisch? It has its own alphabet if I remember correctly.

OrionTheWolf -> RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics (10/9/2009 6:30:35 AM)
He has purposefully ignored this, except to insinuate that anyone that would do so, must be the product of a history of abuse, or be mentally deficient. While there is a possibility that someone's ability to give consent may be impaired, to make a judgment on someone that you do not know, or on all that would make such a decision, is a problem that MartinP must deal with inside himself. quote: ORIGINAL: justagirlinzh quote: ORIGINAL: MartinP Lucienne, thank you very much for your kind and courageous intervention, but please, let IronBear be himself. The insults that this gentleman throws at me are quite entertaining, although a bit repetitive recently. I have never been insulted in Yiddisch! by an Australian! Also, you may notice that this gentleman is quite important since the injunction of the moderator does not seem to bother him the least, so I suppose I should be flattered. You should probably concern yourself with your insulting brand of sexism. "helpless woman"? Has is occurred to you that his girl has a brain, is of sound mind and body, and has consented to being in his service and all that it entails? Just like plenty of other women in the service of a men have done before her.

Justme696 -> RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics (10/9/2009 6:31:46 AM)
Yidlish? yiddish english

Elisabella -> RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics (10/9/2009 6:39:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MartinP quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly quote: I have never been insulted in Yiddisch! by an Australian! i doubt anyone has. It's Yiddish Yes in English, but how do you spell it in Jiddisch? It has its own alphabet if I remember correctly. That it does. http://www.ibiblio.org/yiddish/Book/Beyder/beyder31.html A is for Watermelon! And Capital A is for Owl!

DarkSteven -> RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics (10/9/2009 6:44:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MartinP quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly quote: I have never been insulted in Yiddisch! by an Australian! i doubt anyone has. It's Yiddish Yes in English, but how do you spell it in Jiddisch? It has its own alphabet if I remember correctly. Sorta. It technically is a corrupted Low German, borrowing from plenty of other languages. It is written in Hebrew characters (all right, probably Aramaic). However, it is commonly transliterated into English. So nebbish and nebbisch would both be acceptable, since it is done phonetically.

CreativeDominant -> RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics (10/9/2009 7:00:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MartinP quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail I get just the opposite, in any mail I get, so perhaps it is a matter of gravitiation, in that we only see that which we search for, and with that myopic focus, can't see the forest for the trees. Euell Gibbons Euell, Another explanation is that a lot of slaves do not have a free and unobserved access to internet. Did you ever think of this as a reason for a certain filtering? Who can't see the forest? You, me or both? Oh Christ...you make it sound as if these slaves were somehow taken from their previous life before they had access to the internet and that would mean they all had to become enslaved about 20 yrs ago. What a crock... Yes, it is true that some slaves are not allowed access to the internet...it is just as true that many slaves...barelyanangel, beth (of Mercnbeth), kyra come to mind...are. I'd love to see you try and "save" the last two from their "fate"...or even try to convince them how they've moved from one form of abuse into another. It is interesting to note that you refuse to answer certain posters or respond to them...loving pet and other submissives who've told you time and again that they feel that they are in healthy relationships. It is interesting to note how much mail...supposedly...you get from submissive women who tell you how abused they were in the past. Tell me, are these same women beginning to question if they are now involved in a different form of abuse and they recognize from your profile that you are "truly" what they seek...a kind, compassionate, strong man who will lead them without any of that "nasty" stuff like correction or discipline or play that involves pain or sex without strings attached to each and every sexual act? Damn...I wonder why those profiles don't seem to come up on MY home page when I sign in.

MartinP -> RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics (10/9/2009 7:06:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: justagirlinzh You should probably concern yourself with your insulting brand of sexism. "helpless woman"? Has is occurred to you that his girl has a brain, is of sound mind and body, and has consented to being in his service and all that it entails? Just like plenty of other women in the service of a men have done before her. Linzh, If you read the post to which I was reffering, the girl is bound when hitten. Any person, man or woman, in such a situation is "helpless". If I am lost on one of your montains and cannot find the way home, I cannot help myself out of this situation, I am "helpless". Maybe it an error in my choice of vocabulary, I am not a native English speaker after all. A lot has been written on this forum to caricature my position which is that I find repellent when a man slaps a woman (outside of play of course) especially hard enough to cause a split lip. It has nothing with women in general, or with submissive / slave. I am myself a dominant, thus, it would be rather self-defeating to be against women being submissive, don't you think? As for how much submission she wants to enter and its form, it is her life and her choice. With the notable exception of abused women -- and abused men who are often forgotten in this context, any person can stand for her- or himself and does not need any savior (except when lost in the mountain [;)]. As for abused women, the help they need is much more complex than " a knight in shining armor". It was just another epithet that the Guardians of BDSM Purity hurled at me and does not reflect my attitude or objective. If you have the time and inclination, I recommend that you reread my posts to get a better idea of what I meant, although the posts of Orions, who I think is very candid and honest about his exceptionnal situation, will make a much more interesting reading. And by the way, I do not like men being slapped either and you better do not get me started about children being slapped.

justagirlinzh -> RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics (10/9/2009 7:12:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MartinP quote: ORIGINAL: justagirlinzh You should probably concern yourself with your insulting brand of sexism. "helpless woman"? Has is occurred to you that his girl has a brain, is of sound mind and body, and has consented to being in his service and all that it entails? Just like plenty of other women in the service of a men have done before her. Linzh, If you read the post to which I was reffering, the girl is bound when hitten. Any person, man or woman, in such a situation is "helpless". If I am lost on one of your montains and cannot find the way home, I cannot help myself out of this situation, I am "helpless". Maybe it an error in my choice of vocabulary, I am not a native English speaker after all. A lot has been written on this forum to caricature my position which is that I find repellent when a man slaps a woman (outside of play of course) especially hard enough to cause a split lip. It has nothing with women in general, or with submissive / slave. I am myself a dominant, thus, it would be rather self-defeating to be against women being submissive, don't you think? As for how much submission she wants to enter and its form, it is her life and her choice. With the notable exception of abused women -- and abused men who are often forgotten in this context, any person can stand for her- or himself and does not need any savior (except when lost in the mountain [;)]. As for abused women, the help they need is much more complex than " a knight in shining armor". It was just another epithet that the Guardians of BDSM Purity hurled at me and does not reflect my attitude or objective. If you have the time and inclination, I recommend that you reread my posts to get a better idea of what I meant, although the posts of Orions, who I think is very candid and honest about his exceptionnal situation, will make a much more interesting reading. And by the way, I do not like men being slapped either and you better do not get me started about children being slapped. And the part I bolded in red is where your logic takes a nose dive. And no amount of shitty analogies can help you. If the person, of sound mind and body, has agreed beforehand to such an arrangement, then they are a willing participant, Martin. Not helpless at all.

OrionTheWolf -> RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics (10/9/2009 7:14:52 AM)
Hate to point out the obvious, but that seems like a trend with you. Look at my post count, don't you think that any regular to these forums have probably come across some of my posts in the past? Don't you think that I have had rational, and civil differences of opinion with some of them? Let me also educate you on something about lashings whether they are play or not. The body may have a reflexive movement to a strike, which causes that subject to be out of position for the next strike, which may cause more damage than the one striking wants to cause. Being bound prevents them from moving, so an accidental strike does not go somewhere that the person delivering the strike wants it to go. While I am not heavily into the S&M portion, if what I have stated is incorrect, I am sure someone more knowledgable in that area will come along and correct me. So your comment about being bound and helpless, is pretty much a strawman argument, which from what I have read, 99% of your objections are. So after the punishment and they are unbound, slaves/submissives have the option to leave. This is where consent comes from, and yes some may have been subjected to conditioning that prevents them. You just do not seem to recognize consent and intent though. (in a heavy Freudian accent) So you have problems with people being slapped in the face? Did your Mother slap you in the face often when you were a child? So if you were walking by someone's home, and saw someone slap another in the face, through an open window, what would you do? quote: ORIGINAL: MartinP If you have the time and inclination, I recommend that you reread my posts to get a better idea of what I meant, although the posts of Orions, who I think is very candid and honest about his exceptionnal situation, will make a much more interesting reading. And by the way, I do not like men being slapped either and you better do not get me started about children being slapped.

MartinP -> RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics (10/9/2009 7:34:20 AM)
A quick insult is always better than a long reading, I agree with you.

justagirlinzh -> RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics (10/9/2009 7:38:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MartinP A quick insult is always better than a long reading, I agree with you. Bob and weave, eh, Martin? I didn't insult you at all. Not surprised to see you dodge the crux of the issue.

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