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OrionTheWolf -> RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics (10/9/2009 4:08:40 PM)

Do you have dual personalities or something? Maybe there is a communication break down. Is there a reason you have gone back to being insultive?

You almost had me questioning my vocabulary:

corse
play_w2("C0434000")


 (kôrs)
n. Archaic
A corpse. Now unless you are speaking about a region in France, I have not a clue what you mean.



zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics (10/9/2009 4:37:31 PM)

Guess you've wasted your time reasoning with him, Orion *shrugs*



mnottertail -> RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics (10/9/2009 4:42:49 PM)

reasoning would be a dead language to a corpse, so that would make sense.

Ron



lovingpet -> RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics (10/9/2009 4:59:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MartinP

CD,

As for not responding or etaking into consideration all the posts of these thread, it is not humanly possible, I noticed that lovingpet has been quite upset about it and gave her a brief answer.(/quote]

No, not upset. Nothing here is worth getting upset over. I just happened to agree with some of the men that you really did need to address female submissive postings and answer the questions they posed if you intended to have some level of credibility in your arguments. No one's mad, frustrated, or upset in the least.

quote:

And no, the submissive with whom I chatted did not complain on their current relationship or asked to be rescued or seek a kinder, gentler, softer BDSM, nor did I offer any of these. You have never met or be in contact with a submissive who has been abused in the past? I do not mean abused in a BDSM relationship, but at all? That is strange.

I was unhappily surprised by the occurences, but then, I have trouble believing the high numbers of abused women quoted by women right groups. On that later point, I will probably have to revise my opinion.


The statistics aren't even as high as the actual occurrences. I am not arguing that a great number of women aren't abused both in and out of the lifestyle, but I do not think one single action carries with it an automatic assumption that it is abusive. I also happen to believe there are no actions that in and of themselves are dominant or submissive. It is the intent behind those actions that make them so.

quote:

Now, wherefrom do you and the other get this idea that I am interested in rescuing anybody? I checked again my posts, since my English is not pristine, and I cannot find any occurence where I even suggested such a thing. Besides, I am in good position to know that women in general are very apt at defending themselves and submissives are no exception.


No one ever said you were. And, yes, we are.

lovingpet



AnnaOfAramis -> RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics (10/9/2009 5:49:51 PM)

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No wonder she looks so thin, she is just trying to average you.

[8|] I am getting really tired at all the insults you keep throwing out to thin women. I've seen the pictures of Master Orion's girl many times. She's stunningly beautiful. There are lots of girls who for whatever reason are slender and it does not mean that they are anorexic or that they don't eat enough. I am also a dancer- a ballerina in case my avatar doesn't give that away. Dancers like us, and other athletes burn off all we eat. Marathon runners? Gymnasts? Them too. Then there are people who just have high metabolisms. Your comments are just as insulting as they would be if she were obese and you were saying "hey don't you think you should put her on a diet so she could lose a few hundred pounds." Talk about a back hand in the face. I prefer Master Orion's method myself.



OrionTheWolf -> RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics (10/9/2009 6:39:44 PM)

Thanks anna, but MartinP has shown everyone here the kind of person he is. Too bad those he meets face to face probably have no clue, until it blind sides them.

Just so everyone can see, this is my beautiful girl that MartinP keeps insulting

http://www.collarme.com/bdsm/v/665811/rzbb/79296/photos.htm

So MartinP, why not put a pic of yourself up, eh?



lovingpet -> RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics (10/9/2009 6:57:14 PM)

She is absolutely beautiful Orion!

lovingpet



OrionTheWolf -> RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics (10/9/2009 6:59:52 PM)

Thanks lovingpet! I am letting her see the comments, since MartinP is not very concerned about mental,  emotional abuse and the well being of a female, unless it is slapping in the face.



zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics (10/9/2009 7:03:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lovingpet

She is absolutely beautiful Orion!

lovingpet


Agreed Orion, I don't see how anyone could say your girl is anorexic!



Kalista07 -> RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics (10/9/2009 8:46:52 PM)

Orion
For what it's worth i will reserve my thoughts on this particular poster and his antics here as i find both him and his beliefs to be a waste of my time and energy....However, i do feel the need to tell both You and Your girl that she is absolutely stunning. She has a rare and unique beauty and seems to just have a radiant and exquisite glow of happiness and peace to her which just enhances her beauty in my opinion.
Just my thoughts......
For what it's worth....
Kali



OrionTheWolf -> RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics (10/9/2009 9:10:55 PM)

Thanks zephyr and Kali. I let me girl read more of this topic, and your comments has helped. She is fragile, after many of the things that has happened in her life, but she is getting better. Amazing how someone like MartinP can rush forward, screaming I am a coward and an abuser, and some of his comments have hurt her more deeply than I could ever do. Yeah I know she should not take to heart what strangers say, but she does not have that kind of filter.

If you knew my girl, you would know she is even more beautiful on the inside.

If I have learned anything from this topic it is: We all do what we feel is right, but our intentions do not mean anything. It is only the outcome of our actions that can be proof of what is right and wrong. It is not so much I learned this, but have been reminded of it.



agirl -> RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics (10/10/2009 4:05:03 AM)

Lovely pictures of a beautiful woman. By the way .........two of my sons look like racing whippets, their ribs show and they are very thin but beautifully built with wide shoulders and a tummies that half their friends would die for.

I think it's quite well established that the guy in question is a bit silly.

agirl



Justme696 -> RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics (10/10/2009 4:37:58 AM)

FR

beauty is in the eye of the beholder. People shouldn't worry so much about it. The one you are with, should like you at least...then it is fine.



LaTigresse -> RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics (10/10/2009 4:52:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Thanks zephyr and Kali. I let me girl read more of this topic, and your comments has helped. She is fragile, after many of the things that has happened in her life, but she is getting better. Amazing how someone like MartinP can rush forward, screaming I am a coward and an abuser, and some of his comments have hurt her more deeply than I could ever do. Yeah I know she should not take to heart what strangers say, but she does not have that kind of filter.

If you knew my girl, you would know she is even more beautiful on the inside.

If I have learned anything from this topic it is: We all do what we feel is right, but our intentions do not mean anything. It is only the outcome of our actions that can be proof of what is right and wrong. It is not so much I learned this, but have been reminded of it.


Orion, if your girl is feeling insecure about her appearance then please let her read this. I've spent time around some of the most beautiful women in the world, they make a very very good living off their appearance and your girl is just as lovely as the best of them and far more so than many of them.

I had a relationship with a runway model. The weight she was required to maintain to work, was hideously thin and very likely what lead to her death. Your girl looks nothing like her, or those like her. Her form is beautiful but yes, as others have said, it is the expression on her face that is most exquisite.

(and if she ever should be in need of a new home, there is this little farm in Iowa........[;)] )



OrionTheWolf -> RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics (10/10/2009 5:22:53 AM)

Thanks very much LaTigresse. She is a dancer, so makes money from her looks and her ability to flirt. I am also getting her geared up to do some advertising modeling. She is on a hiatus from dancing, and has been acting as my personal assistant, and teaching herself photoshop and Crystal Reports. She is very intelligent and learns very quickly, and great problem solving skills. Now to keep working on her self esteem, and she will be prepared for life just in case something were to happen to me. Maybe I will leave her to you in my will ;).

She does like your posts, and often says "she sounds like you Master."



AnnaOfAramis -> RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics (10/10/2009 5:23:13 AM)

quote:

If you knew my girl, you would know she is even more beautiful on the inside.


<smiles> And this, Master Orion, speaks volumes about the type of Man and Master your girl has.

Respectfully,
anna



SirJohnD -> RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics (10/10/2009 7:21:40 AM)

Dear DesFIP,

I was making a perfectly valid point and finished my post with the words "Each to their own".

It was, therefore, unnecessary for you to be rude to me in your post.

(FYI, I didn't "fall down" as the other Masters and slaves were impressed by our Protocol.)

Discussions on here are more interesting if they don't include personal point scoring.

Anyway, live and let live, eh Des? [;)]



IronBear -> RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics (10/10/2009 9:14:43 AM)

Orion, your lass is indeed beautiful, well proportioned and is graceful even at rest. Your treatment of her and encouraging her to expand her horizons is what I would expect from you and speaks, together with the photos, a volumes of you as a man and as a Master. 



MartinP -> RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics (10/10/2009 9:22:02 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Do you have dual personalities or something? Maybe there is a communication break down. Is there a reason you have gone back to being insultive?

You almost had me questioning my vocabulary:

corse
play_w2("C0434000")


 (kôrs)
n. Archaic
A corpse. Now unless you are speaking about a region in France, I have not a clue what you mean.



A reason?, besides equalling my nation with a corpse, actually no.

Of course I am speaking of Corsica, I am corse! A person from the "region in France". Of course one day I will be a corse corpse, but currently I am just corse.

Corsica is physically an island, with beautiful montaneous forrests in the middle and the most dramatic coastal line you can imagine on the west.

The Corse people are quite different from the continental French (although there are also disparities on the continent). We are definitely more traditionalist, family- and clan-oriented. We are used at solving our conflicts without the intervention of the police. If we are lucky, we live in a strict patriarchy runned de facto by the women (I know it sounds paradoxal but it works actually quite well). Like many compatriots, I do not have the privilege of living in my country, and must travel away to earn my keep. It has the advantage that I can live pretty much the way I want and experiment with kinky lifestyle. It has the huge disadvantage that I miss the support system what a extended family in reality is and I have to live in shitty places like Paris, Montreal or London.

Now, just for your information. Corsica is not a “region of France”. It is a nation without state, currently under French administration, like Catalunya, Euskadi are under Spanish rule, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Cymru under the English boot, or Québec nearer to you. We had in 1755 the first modern constitution and were thus the first modern western democracy. Our freedom was squashed by the French armies, in the same way that the English tried to squash yours, we ware nearer and without allied.

You should visit it at least once in your life, we are very welcoming and polite, our cuisine beats anything in the vincinity

See you



ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics (10/10/2009 9:37:22 AM)

Good lord. That's what he was going on about? He thinks that woman is starved and abused?

That woman positively glows with an inner beauty that I rarely see in a woman, and anyone who could look at that inner beauty and see an abused soul is not worth arguing with. What kind of a poisoned heart could look upon that radiance and see the ugliness he claims to see? I think he's unwittingly shown us all that those photos have somehow served only as some sort of mirror into his own soul. He should be ashamed of the distress he's caused both of you with his ugliness, but I know he's not capable of feeling that. What a pity. 



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