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Sanity -> RE: Sharpton has asked the NFL to nix Limbaugh's purchase of the Rams (10/20/2009 9:08:59 PM)


You're being ridiculous. A person can talk about race and race relations and even race perceptions in the media without being a racist, even if one is a conservative! I am convinced that you don't even know what the terms racist or racism even means.

Something thats funny to me regarding this diatribe against Rush Limbaugh for daring to buy into a football team is that I've seen people on these boards (probably even you) claim that Barack Obama can't possibly be a racist because he has white people on his cabinet.

If thats the case how can Rush Limbaugh possibly be a racist, since he has at least one black person (Walter Williams) fill in for him on many of the days that he takes off?

You don't need to tell me, different standards apply, I know.








rulemylife -> RE: Sharpton has asked the NFL to nix Limbaugh's purchase of the Rams (10/20/2009 9:20:52 PM)

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You're being ridiculous. A person can talk about race and race relations and even race perceptions in the media without being a racist, even if one is a conservative! I am convinced that you don't even know what the terms racist or racism even means.


Yes I do know what racism means.

It means "I got my fat ass fired from ESPN because I don't know when to keep my racist comments to myself".




Sanity -> RE: Sharpton has asked the NFL to nix Limbaugh's purchase of the Rams (10/20/2009 9:26:20 PM)


I see. So by that same logic when we fire Obama in 2012 it will also be proof that he is a racist.




rulemylife -> RE: Sharpton has asked the NFL to nix Limbaugh's purchase of the Rams (10/20/2009 9:43:42 PM)

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I see. So by that same logic when we fire Obama in 2012 it will also be proof that he is a racist.



Only if you have some racist quotes made by him.




HatesParisHilton -> RE: Sharpton has asked the NFL to nix Limbaugh's purchase of the Rams (10/21/2009 2:07:13 AM)

maybe after he's fired OBAMA will buy the Rams!  [:D]




StrangerThan -> RE: Sharpton has asked the NFL to nix Limbaugh's purchase of the Rams (10/21/2009 3:34:25 AM)

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Because they were offensive...to the media bigwigs and his co-hosts?  He was chiding the media for building up a black quarterback to a greater extent than he deserved simply because he was black and the media refused to see the same faults that they would crucify white quarterbacks for.  Did he use the opportunity to snipe at the media's liberal causes for one class of perceived "victims" of society?  Yes, he did.  Was it the time or place?  No, probably not.  Does that make it racist or does that make him capable of making a stupid mistake while trying to follow his own principles?


First, he didn't need to inject race into the issue.  There are a lot players who get too much media hype and are overrated.

The fact he did suggests racism and the reason he is no longer on ESPN.


Suggests racism?  Are we now to be monitored, in this politically correct world, for what our words suggest?  Dangerously close to "thought police" isn't it when you can decipher a person's character based on what his words DON'T state but rather suggest?


There is a rather rabid segment of society who needs racism involved with any action of a conservative and any criticism of Obama. So much so they seem quite willing to act as thought police while screaming free speech on the other side of the board they're carrying. You know the board, the two-sided doom and gloom placard usually worn by wild haired fanatics preaching the end of the world from city streets, the same people who have lost their grasp on anything resembling logic and sanity.



I'm sorry, I'm a little confused here.

Limbaugh makes statements that McNabb is being overrated because he is is black and neither of you believe these are racist comments?

I really LOVE this new conservative parallel universe where someone can make racist comments and those who criticize those comments are then defined as the racists.



I'm saying the veracity of his statement is null and void in your world because he used the word black. Take it out of his quote however, and some, probably you among them would cry racism anyway because McNabb happens to be black.

Rabid. Foaming at the mouth. And if anything, a following quote nails it perfectly.

"It means "I got my fat ass fired from ESPN because I don't know when to keep my racist comments to myself". "

There is so much wrong with that statement and the mindset that fosters it that explaining what and why is hopeless.




Sanity -> RE: Sharpton has asked the NFL to nix Limbaugh's purchase of the Rams (10/21/2009 5:47:25 AM)



Or if he appointed a racist czar and he attended an overtly racist church for over two decades.

[;)]

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I see. So by that same logic when we fire Obama in 2012 it will also be proof that he is a racist.



Only if you have some racist quotes made by him.





Sanity -> RE: Sharpton has asked the NFL to nix Limbaugh's purchase of the Rams (10/21/2009 6:01:00 AM)


The following is a good op/ed article that I would have titled, "Is this the America that Obama promised?"


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Excuses wearing thin for Obama, media pals

Have you heard the news? President Obama inherited an economic mess from the Bush administration.
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That's the backdrop to the story of Rush Limbaugh getting booted from a group bidding to buy the St. Louis Rams. He was smeared on CNN and MSNBC with false accusations of making two racist comments. He is an abrasive critic of Obama, so he must be racist, or so goes the left-wing story line. I wouldn't defend everything Limbaugh has ever said, but lies were used to blacklist him from professional football for his political views.

Recently an MSNBC personality accused the U.S. Chamber of Commerce of lobbying for policies that amount to being "treasonous to this country." Remember how liberals roared in outrage at any hint of their patriotism being questioned for criticizing the Iraq War? Well, it's the left that doesn't shy from attacking the patriotism of those it dislikes. Recall the repulsive Moveon.org "General Betray-us" ad against Iraq commander Gen. David Petraeus. Recent opposition to Chicago's Olympic bid was cast as a sign of a lack of patriotism among Obama critics.

The MSNBC blast against the chamber appears to dovetail with what the Politico newspaper reports is a White House and Democratic effort "to marginalize" the business organization. That echoes the administration assault on the Fox News Channel: It says Fox isn't a news organization.
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The White House trying to dictate who's a news organization. Democrats out to gut a business group. Obama media allies damning Americans as racist, unpatriotic and treasonous. Is this the America Obama promised when he campaigned to end the cynical and divisive politics of the past?

http://www.suntimes.com/news/huntley/1834209,CST-EDT-HUNT20.article









CreativeDominant -> RE: Sharpton has asked the NFL to nix Limbaugh's purchase of the Rams (10/21/2009 7:51:47 AM)

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Because they were offensive...to the media bigwigs and his co-hosts?  He was chiding the media for building up a black quarterback to a greater extent than he deserved simply because he was black and the media refused to see the same faults that they would crucify white quarterbacks for.  Did he use the opportunity to snipe at the media's liberal causes for one class of perceived "victims" of society?  Yes, he did.  Was it the time or place?  No, probably not.  Does that make it racist or does that make him capable of making a stupid mistake while trying to follow his own principles?


First, he didn't need to inject race into the issue.  There are a lot players who get too much media hype and are overrated.

The fact he did suggests racism and the reason he is no longer on ESPN.


Suggests racism?  Are we now to be monitored, in this politically correct world, for what our words suggest?  Dangerously close to "thought police" isn't it when you can decipher a person's character based on what his words DON'T state but rather suggest?


There is a rather rabid segment of society who needs racism involved with any action of a conservative and any criticism of Obama. So much so they seem quite willing to act as thought police while screaming free speech on the other side of the board they're carrying. You know the board, the two-sided doom and gloom placard usually worn by wild haired fanatics preaching the end of the world from city streets, the same people who have lost their grasp on anything resembling logic and sanity.



I'm sorry, I'm a little confused here.

Limbaugh makes statements that McNabb is being overrated because he is is black and neither of you believe these are racist comments?

I really LOVE this new conservative parallel universe where someone can make racist comments and those who criticize those comments are then defined as the racists.

It really isn't all that difficult to understand, rule...especially when you consider what the term "racist" means.
To start with:
  • based on racial intolerance; "racist remarks"
  • a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others
  • discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion
    wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

    Now then, can you tell me how stating that someone is being hyped by the media because he is black (which hits at the media, not the person) fits in with the above?  Does the remark indicate that Rush feels he is superior to McNabb because he...Rush...is white?  Nope.  Does the remark keep McNabb from doing his job or living in a manner he wants to?  Nope.

    Let's go further.
    Racism is the belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race. ...
    Does the remark made by Rush in any way indicate a belief that only white quarterbacks are any good or that white quarterbacks are superior to black quarterbacks?  Nope.  It slams the media for wanting a black quarterback to succeed and therefore attributing more of the credit to McNabb for the Eagle's success than to the team which deserved it.

    Let's go further.
  • racism - the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races
  • racism - discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race

    Again, did Rush's remark state that he believed whites are better than blacks?  Was it implied in any way?  Or was it a slam at the mindset of the media?
    Did his remark discriminate against McNabb...hold him down from seeking out his career, stop him from continuing on with his career, could it reasonably be construed as causing him emotional or mental trauma?  Nope.  If any of this were true, he'd have been hauled into court by a D. A. seeking to make a name for himself since discrimination based on color or religion is illegal.

    Finally, let's look at this...
    Playing the race card is an idiomatic phrase that refers to the act of bringing the issue of race or racism into a debate, perhaps to obfuscate ...

    Of course, the left doesn't do this...obfuscate.
    "If you are against Obama, you must be a racist"
    "If you feel that the media is elevating a quarterback because they desperately want a black quarterback to succeed, you must be racist"

    The NFL doesn't do this either...obfuscate...
    (paraphrasing) We must uphold a certain moral standard for the owners of our teams...this is why we cannot have someone as controversial as Rush owning a team. 
    Ummmmmmmmmmm yeah...because Fergie...an entertainer who gets drunk and then urinates on herself on stage and laughs about it...is such a much better choice.




  • CreativeDominant -> RE: Sharpton has asked the NFL to nix Limbaugh's purchase of the Rams (10/21/2009 7:54:45 AM)

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    I see. So by that same logic when we fire Obama in 2012 it will also be proof that he is a racist.



    Only if you have some racist quotes made by him.

    Not the exact quote (which can be found)..."My grandmother was a typical white person..."
    Are white people typical?




    Sanity -> RE: Sharpton has asked the NFL to nix Limbaugh's purchase of the Rams (10/21/2009 8:33:27 AM)


    I had forgotten about that. Didn't his typical white grandma die recently?


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    Not the exact quote (which can be found)..."My grandmother was a typical white person..."
    Are white people typical?





    slvemike4u -> RE: Sharpton has asked the NFL to nix Limbaugh's purchase of the Rams (10/21/2009 11:49:19 AM)

    Aren't you two guys doing some bitching about Rush's quotes being taken out of context or snipped?
    Because both of you know damm well that nothing about that particular quote was meant to diminish or insult either Obama's grandma or a "typical white person".
    Pretty weak "rasict quote" if this is what you can come up with.




    Lucylastic -> RE: Sharpton has asked the NFL to nix Limbaugh's purchase of the Rams (10/21/2009 11:54:09 AM)

    its getting more pathetic as each page passes Mike,
    "its his fault not mine", .."I know I am but what is he"...... if these guys were kids, Id have bitch slapped em both and set them to bed....as they arent kids, Im just gonna treat their remarks with the contempt they deserve.





    thishereboi -> RE: Sharpton has asked the NFL to nix Limbaugh's purchase of the Rams (10/21/2009 12:22:23 PM)

    Actually they made some really good points. Too bad you can't come up with anything to refute them with so you throw insults instead. Well you got the pathetic part down.




    Lucylastic -> RE: Sharpton has asked the NFL to nix Limbaugh's purchase of the Rams (10/21/2009 12:25:33 PM)

    mhmmmmmmmm have a look in the mirror huh?? or put me on ignore?






    slvemike4u -> RE: Sharpton has asked the NFL to nix Limbaugh's purchase of the Rams (10/21/2009 12:25:41 PM)

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    Actually they made some really good points. Too bad you can't come up with anything to refute them with so you throw insults instead. Well you got the pathetic part down.
    Actually I did refute the one point Sanity hung his hat on....perhaps you could go back and read the post......something about context and snipping.
    Reading the posts beforehand will take you a long way towards a satisfactory conclusion.......try it,it just might work for you.
    Sorry about that Lucy....I now see that his post was directed at you....and  you had allready supplied him with some sound advice......didn't mean to step on any toes....my bad.




    CreativeDominant -> RE: Sharpton has asked the NFL to nix Limbaugh's purchase of the Rams (10/21/2009 12:40:07 PM)

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    Aren't you two guys doing some bitching about Rush's quotes being taken out of context or snipped?
    Because both of you know damm well that nothing about that particular quote was meant to diminish or insult either Obama's grandma or a "typical white person".
    Pretty weak "rasict quote" if this is what you can come up with.
    We know that?  Just how do we know that?  How does anyone know that?  I don't believe I've heard Obama himself explain what he meant by the remark.  Have you?




    CreativeDominant -> RE: Sharpton has asked the NFL to nix Limbaugh's purchase of the Rams (10/21/2009 12:43:35 PM)

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    ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

    its getting more pathetic as each page passes Mike,
    "its his fault not mine", .."I know I am but what is he"...... if these guys were kids, Id have bitch slapped em both and set them to bed....as they arent kids, Im just gonna treat their remarks with the contempt they deserve.


    Funny how a refutation of B.S. gets turned into a "kid's argument".  What's the matter lucy...do you not like it when someone actually comes back with something more than inane comments such as these from your side?
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    You're being ridiculous. A person can talk about race and race relations and even race perceptions in the media without being a racist, even if one is a conservative! I am convinced that you don't even know what the terms racist or racism even means.



    (from rulemylife)Yes I do know what racism means.

    It means "I got my fat ass fired from ESPN because I don't know when to keep my racist comments to myself".




    slvemike4u -> RE: Sharpton has asked the NFL to nix Limbaugh's purchase of the Rams (10/21/2009 12:49:54 PM)

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    Aren't you two guys doing some bitching about Rush's quotes being taken out of context or snipped?
    Because both of you know damm well that nothing about that particular quote was meant to diminish or insult either Obama's grandma or a "typical white person".
    Pretty weak "rasict quote" if this is what you can come up with.
    We know that?  Just how do we know that?  How does anyone know that?  I don't believe I've heard Obama himself explain what he meant by the remark.  Have you?
    Taken in context...there really is nothing to explain...is there?Don't bother answering I'm not really interested in the spin....have a nice day.




    CreativeDominant -> RE: Sharpton has asked the NFL to nix Limbaugh's purchase of the Rams (10/21/2009 12:59:45 PM)

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    Aren't you two guys doing some bitching about Rush's quotes being taken out of context or snipped?
    Because both of you know damm well that nothing about that particular quote was meant to diminish or insult either Obama's grandma or a "typical white person".
    Pretty weak "rasict quote" if this is what you can come up with.
    We know that?  Just how do we know that?  How does anyone know that?  I don't believe I've heard Obama himself explain what he meant by the remark.  Have you?
    Taken in context...there really is nothing to explain...is there?Don't bother answering I'm not really interested in the spin....have a nice day.
    Sorry slavemike...I don't take orders from you.  Taken in context of what?  His speech?  The broader context that his statement was made in was a discussion of racial concerns and prejudice and that is when that statement came forth. 

    As for spin, you'll find that I rarely spin anything...I don't need to.  I go find what I am looking for and put it out here.  Nor am I an apologist for anything that someone else says nor am I a blind believer in everybody who states that they are a conservative.  Conservatives make stupid mistakes...a fact noted by me when I stated in an earlier post that Rush's choice of place to confront the media about their "hero-worship" of McNabb was stupid and ill-thought.  That still does not make Rush's remarks racist, something that I've yet to see addressed other than rulemylife's inane comments or lucy's insults when things get tough.  I've yet to see you or anyone else bring forth the written defense or explanation by Obama of Obama's remarks...or is it just a given that if you are not white, then you cannot be guilty of racially-insensitive remarks or of prejudicial thinking?




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