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sunshinemiss -> RE: Now Accepting Applications For All Positions (10/17/2009 12:29:52 AM)

Hello,
I don't like that long BDSM list.  It's long and complicated and a pain in the neck.  I never liked the agree / disagree stuff anyway.  However, I do enjoy filling out questionairres and what not - sometimes the most interesting data pops up.  I figure, my niece sends me those long lists of things (What time do you get up?  Where is your phone?  Who do you miss, etc) and I do those.  It's just another way to get to know someone. 

But you know, a top ten would be ok, but those 10 page essays and 5000 question tests?  No thanks.  I do enough of that for work.

*and by the way, I have a questionairre for m-types... It consists of two questions.  It's my own private pass fail.  If they pass, I'm happy to continue interacting.  If not, good luck in your search.

paz y amor,
sunshine




DesFIP -> RE: Now Accepting Applications For All Positions (10/17/2009 4:19:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: leadership527

Much as I'm in your court on this one Des, I don't think this statement necessarily is true. If all I cared about was whether someone could cook, clean, and fuck to my satisfaction, and that they would obey according to my expectations, then a questionnaire would in fact be quick and efficient. It's only that pesky relationship stuff that takes more in-depth conversation. As Malkinius pointed out above, that relationship pattern is incomprehensible to me, but apparently it is not for others.



Obey according to your expectations means they have to have a good working knowledge of your expectations and you won't get that from a list of questions they ask you.

Beyond that, the people who keep insisting that this is a good thing to do are not willing to understand that for those of us who do want more than beat and fuck and do his laundry afterwards, we want to know the rest of the relationship is compatible before we talk about sex and play.





leadership527 -> RE: Now Accepting Applications For All Positions (10/17/2009 8:29:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP
Beyond that, the people who keep insisting that this is a good thing to do are not willing to understand that for those of us who do want more than beat and fuck and do his laundry afterwards, we want to know the rest of the relationship is compatible before we talk about sex and play.
Gee, I don't see that attitude Des. For the most part, I see a lot of folks acknowledging two different viewpoints, but not a lot of one-true-wayism. Sure, there are always those that are gonna say that one side is impoverished for ruling out love or the other side is "not real" for having it, but honestly, does anyone care about the opinions of idiots?




leadership527 -> RE: Now Accepting Applications For All Positions (10/17/2009 8:30:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss
*and by the way, I have a questionairre for m-types... It consists of two questions.  It's my own private pass fail.  If they pass, I'm happy to continue interacting.  If not, good luck in your search.
2 questions? Sheez. I got mine paired down to just one question.

Are you my wife?

*chuckles*




NihilusZero -> RE: Now Accepting Applications For All Positions (10/17/2009 10:48:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DavanKael

I think the application is a poor idea while a resume, which I learned about in a Submissive's Retreat that I attended about a year and a half ago, seems potentially empowering. 


20 points.

It's interesting. People are mostly griping about this because of the way it was presented, not because of he actual proposition. The way the OP was written, it's as if it seeks to employ the emotional/psychological part of a power dynamic before the relationship has started (and that likely feeds the more vehement reactions), but ultimately what is being suggested is a confined, succinct means by which to determine compatibility..

This is where concepts likes resumes would actually be quite "empowering", as has been mentioned. Arguing that such exercises do not 'truly' yield information about someone is silly...any honest means of communication yields true information about someone. The only detriment to such a process would be with people who do not understand themselves enough to genuinely know what they want in practice (rather than theory).

Sure, certain intangibles cannot be perfectly predicted, but dismissing the positive aspects such a process could have just because it isn't a complete technique or because it would offend the magical qualities we would want to pretend our relationships must have in order for them to be beautiful is essentially throwing out the baby with the bath water.




NihilusZero -> RE: Now Accepting Applications For All Positions (10/17/2009 10:59:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: subtlebutterfly

FR.
I believe most of the messages we get are trash..and/or from people that one wouldn't even want to have a drink with..so asking them to hand in an application would be a waste of time. However, these few that one can actually communicate with...would you prefer to ask for an application rather than actually making the effort to talk to the person and find out that way?
If something is essential to you  then it would probably be one of the first things you bring up in a conversation anyway.

..so much for the communication...

So, the 'right' person who has taken hir thoughts into deep consideration enough to be able to consolidate them into a series of questions that would uncover for hir if the person xhe likes (by virtue of sending them the queries) would likely be a good match suddenly becomes the 'wrong' person just for having gone about the process, in one instance, that way?

There are two ways to look at it from this 'emotionally wounded' angle:

1) (from the receiver) If you genuinely wanted to get to know me you wouldn't hand me some series of questions as if I'm an employee filling out a job application.

2) (from the giver) If you genuinely cared about wanting to get to know me you might actually take these questions that I have compiled in honest sincerity as a means by which to do so.

And both sides, frankly, can be just as substantially argued.




leadership527 -> RE: Now Accepting Applications For All Positions (10/17/2009 11:45:51 AM)

I gotta disagree here NZ. I'm siding with Malkinius on this one. At least for me, the issues that would matter to me in starting a relationship could never in a zillion years be quantified down to anything writable on a page of paper. Not one page, not thousands. Even now, having lived under the same roof as Carol for 13+ years now, if I sat down to write the ways we were and were not compatible I wouldn't have a clue where to start nor would I ever finish. Before-hand, I wouldn't even have known what questions to ask much less what might constitute acceptable answers. So anyone who actually saw merit in the transaction that's being described here (and yes, Davan's resume would also count if offered to me) would automatically fall into one of two categories.

a) Seeking something vastly different than what I was seeking... hence the question is answered before it's asked and there is no need to proceed.
b) Seeking something similar to what I am, but so incredibly clueless about it that I wouldn't have it in me to train them.

My problem isn't in the formality of it all, it's in the hopelessness of it within my own framework of what I seek. I would've genuinely gotten to know the other person in every way which was necessary as soon as they asked for or provided the list of questions.




dreamerdreaming -> RE: Now Accepting Applications For All Positions (10/17/2009 11:52:51 AM)

fast reply- (haven't read the thread yet)

I would like to apply for the missionary position. No, wait- doggy style. Yeah- doggie style. I feel that my unique combination of knowledge and experience would benefit....

[:)]





porcelaine -> RE: Now Accepting Applications For All Positions (10/17/2009 12:19:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

Sure, certain intangibles cannot be perfectly predicted, but dismissing the positive aspects such a process could have just because it isn't a complete technique or because it would offend the magical qualities we would want to pretend our relationships must have in order for them to be beautiful is essentially throwing out the baby with the bath water.


i was once instructed to provide a written explanation of my thoughts on slavery. i think i've conveyed this quite well here and other places. however, at no point did i take offense in the directive. i considered what i'd fail to state thus far, and maintained my authenticity and transparency while giving voice to my beliefs. the attention to detail and pride i felt during and after its composition was telling. a spirit of joy was present throughout.

participation in activities of this nature much like the application, is highly dependent on our interest in the other person. i am well aware that i would have never expended that effort for anyone else. those are the intangibles i look at. Someone that compels me to go above and beyond my norm is the kind of Owner i desire to serve. i've come to discover the importance of being removed from ones comfort zone and learning how to embrace the unexpected patiently. if i devised some concept in my mind about how events should unfold, what happens when He deviates from this?

as unsettling as that can be, i don't believe it is detrimental in the long run. if i maintain an internal provocation towards Him, i'll allow the process to unfold as it should. the process isn't something i can predetermine either. it is truly a collective act that we both contribute to. i can dictate my portion, but i don't feel i'm at liberty to impress my thoughts on Him. He must utilize the methods He deems most appropriate for His purposes.

porcelaine




Malkinius -> RE: Now Accepting Applications For All Positions (10/17/2009 2:20:49 PM)

Greetings DesFIP....

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP
Obey according to your expectations means they have to have a good working knowledge of your expectations and you won't get that from a list of questions they ask you.

Beyond that, the people who keep insisting that this is a good thing to do are not willing to understand that for those of us who do want more than beat and fuck and do his laundry afterwards, we want to know the rest of the relationship is compatible before we talk about sex and play.


Actually, depending on the questions used, you are totally wrong. Remember that the list I use is the last major thing before collaring a slave, not the first. You are confusing people who know what they are doing and more importantly why they are doing it with the people who just copy ideas from the web and think that is how it is done. As I and others have pointed out, questions and their answers can be a part of the enslavement process. I will also note that most of my questions have nothing to do with sex or BDSM play. Many start out with, "What would you do if.....?" Yes, I do often know the answers to some of the questions in advance but even then, re-answering them in a different context can be a learning experience for both people.

I am certain that most of the questions that those of us who use such questions are not what you think they are. They are not your standard BDSM checklists. They are not done without prior knowledge of how they may affect someone. Yes, some questions are content/value neutral. A "List your academic background with graduation dates from high school, college, technical school and other major training classes with certifications and include dates of graduation, specific degree or certification," could come right off of a standard job application. Do I need that information to take someone as a slave? No. Am I interested in it because I am interested in the person? Yes. A key point to remember here is that the asking and the obedience in answering is a part of the enslavement process for those of us who go to that route. A good trainer makes everything part of that process.

I will end with one more example of a question that I always use. "I have said that there are two things that I expect/want from you. Take each one and separately explain what it means to you, how you can implement it and what you believe it means to me." There are a few people who might read this that know the answer to that question. Most people who guess at it will get it wrong. Note that it not only takes things already emphasized, but makes someone think about them, how it applies to them and how it applies to another person. From that answer both of us learn things about each other and learning is important to me.

No, I don't want someone that I can just beat, fuck and have do the laundry. Now....the last two may be a part of what I want.....after all, the laundry eventually needs to be done. <grins>

Be well....

Malkinius




mnottertail -> RE: Now Accepting Applications For All Positions (10/17/2009 2:22:21 PM)

I would like to accept the position of standing with females kneeling before and behind me, ready to orally worship me.

I do so, without let or hindrance, of my own free will.

Ron




andreaC -> RE: Now Accepting Applications For All Positions (10/17/2009 4:21:25 PM)

Being a sub IS NOT a job, so therefore, no application should be filled out..........gawd sometimes those so-called Dom !!!!




zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Now Accepting Applications For All Positions (10/17/2009 4:39:21 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I would like to accept the position of standing with females kneeling before and behind me, ready to orally worship me.

I do so, without let or hindrance, of my own free will.

Ron


You're hired!  There that was easy I don't know why people have such trouble...




DesFIP -> RE: Now Accepting Applications For All Positions (10/17/2009 5:36:45 PM)

Malkinius, you may hand this over as the very last thing. But that was never stated. However the OP was talking about doing it on the first meet. Which is a very different set up.

Regardless, to someone who needs emotional compatibility as I do, a person who views this as something non emotional, right/wrong answers is by definition someone I am not compatible with.

I can't be convinced that this would be beneficial for me, because it isn't. I am well aware that it is a good way to operate for other people. My continuation in this thread is simply because those who see value in it keep insisting it is a valuable way to operate for everyone. And it isn't.




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