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tazzygirl -> RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. (11/20/2009 4:37:26 PM)
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You are overlooking a bigger issue here. Those who wished to teach their children a christian view have gone to homeschooling or religious schools. No muss, no fuss. Especially the kind you are talking about. AND, before you start slamming me for pushing anything into your face... ahem... read up on whom your speaking too. I dont push anything. Nor do i run from it because someone tries to bully me.
Any slamming or bullying by me is your own perception and not my intent. Again you use such emotionally charged language.
As my grandmother would have said... the path to hell is paved with good intentions. Your intentions, and previous posts, have shown you hate religion with a deep passion. You left me with no alternative but to take you at your word.
Religious Orthodoxy.. im assuming you are referring to religious people. However, i dont view religion as unchanging. Many people dont. But your narrow view only sees what you wish to see. Again, referring to your bigotry.
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So it seems appropriate to ask what the humble Jewish preacher from the hills of the Galilee would make of all the public hoopla now paraded in his name. I wonder what Jesus would say of all the public display. I think it is an interesting speculation.
As far as the quote from the bible, i couldnt agree more. No one should pratice their religion just for the sake of men. Question is, how do we know why they are doing what they are doing. Joan of Arc comes to mine.
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Now, i will concede up front that Mad Madalyn was a bizarre character who displayed disgusting disregard for others and is hardly an exemplar for contemporary atheism. I will further concede that she ended up murdered and buried in a Texas ranchland. And more delicious irony and comfort for you is the fact that her son for whom she brought suit ended up a Christian convert, just as Jane Roe of Roe v Wade is now an anti abortion advocate. I concede all of that so spare me the "gotcha" moment. I just wish to draw your attention to the atmosphere that weighed so heavily on nonbelievers in the Public Schools at the time.
Now, here is more of your bigotry added in with lies, assumptions and stupidity. One, i find no comfort in the knowledge that ANYone has died. And what does it matter to me that he converted? Who do you think you are????
Gotcha moment??? WTF are you on about. Ya know, until this moment, i actually entertained the idea that you had a brain. Your comments above have lead me to see that you are without such an organ, blinded by your hatred for religion.
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I may have also been mistaken about the "Our Father" prayer. I thought when i wrote it i might be. But i am not mistaken about the 23rd Psalm. I recall it vividly. "The Lord is my shepard ... I will dwell in the house of the Lord forever."
Again, The Our Father prayer was never taught in this century in public schools. So i think you are sadly mistaken, if not out and out right lying.
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Again twisting my words and meaning. Just as moderate Muslims have a responsibility to decry the acts of zealots who commit atrocities in their name, so do the moderate Christians have a similar responsibility.
You cannot decry and belittle something and then turn around and demand i take up responsibility in what you have belitted and scorned. Its called... being hypocritical.
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Madalyn Murray's lawsuit which resulted in the removal of compulsory prayer from the public schools of the United States has had lasting and significant effects. Until the lawsuit, it was commonplace for students to participate in many types of religious activities while at school, including religious instruction itself. Nonreligious students were compelled to participate in such activities and were not usually given any ability to opt out. Up to that time, the notion of freedom of religion had been presumed to mean the freedom to choose a religion, not to choose freedom from religion, and not the freedom to choose no religion at all. With the success of the lawsuit, the intent of The Constitution with regard to the relationship between church and state again came under critical scrutiny and has remained there to this day. While students do pray in public schools to this day, even in organized groups (such as "See You at the Pole"), the lawsuit disallowed schools to include prayer as a compulsory activity required by every student. The success of O'Hair's lawsuit led to subsequent lawsuits by Mormon and Catholic families in Texas in 2000 to limit compulsory prayer at school-sponsored football games.
Here is the problem with your knowledge about this case.
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Until the lawsuit, it was commonplace for students to participate in many types of religious activities while at school, including religious instruction itself
Like four other states, Pennsylvania law included a statute compelling school districts to perform Bible readings in the mornings before class. Twenty-five states had laws allowing "optional" Bible reading, with the remainder having no laws supporting or rejecting Bible reading. In eleven of those states with laws supportive of Bible reading or state-sponsored prayer, courts[clarification needed] had declared them unconstitutional (Boston, 1993, p. 101).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abington_School_District_v._Schempp
The Schempp case was combined with the O'hara case in the final decision.
The school district appealed to the Supreme Court again, and, on appeal, the case was consolidated with a similar Maryland case launched by Madalyn Murray (Boston, 1993, p. 106).
The district court ruling in the second trial, in striking down the practices and the statute requiring them, made specific findings of fact that the children's attendance at Abington Senior High School was compulsory and that the practice of reading 10 verses from the Bible was also compelled by law. It also found that:
(same source)
And the fact that these schools recited the Lords Prayer when most other schools didnt should tell ya something. Lumping everyone into one big group just makes your argument all that much more... ahem... ok.. ill be nice now. But i did notice your absence of taking note of the pausing in the school days for Muslim prayer. I wonder why that is... possibly because your hatred doesnt extend beyond christianity.
But, guess what... lol... it made no difference to me... or most people. A few religious fanatics made a ruckus. The rest just continued on with their lives.
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Yes, evening the score, leveling the political playing field. That seems a reasonable thing to ask. Hardly a "gleeful persecution" You are too dramatic.
Thank you for taking the time and effort to engage this conversation with me, tazzygirl.
Your remarks are much appreciated. Well, most of them anyway... lol!
vincent
Until i read your comment about taking comfort from someone dying, i would have continued to engage you respectfully. Now, all bets are off. You have shown yourself to be unable to step back from your passions to see anything other than your own point of view. narrow minded is what bests describes you.
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