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EbonyWood -> RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. (11/30/2009 12:14:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule Erhm, that was and is the entire purpose of the HIV biologic weapon, wasn't and isn't it? I think someone needs to come out directly and ask this: Rule, do you have an STD? Have you previously? If so, do you think it has affected your sanity? Again, if so, are you seeking psychological treatment for such? I ask because the idea of obsession interests me. Thank you.

Rule -> RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. (11/30/2009 12:14:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: Rule Erhm, that was and is the entire purpose of the HIV biologic weapon, wasn't and isn't it? Biological weapon? Has anybody ever found any proof for that particular conspiracy theory? Yep. (They are dead now.)

Moonhead -> RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. (11/30/2009 12:16:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: Rule Erhm, that was and is the entire purpose of the HIV biologic weapon, wasn't and isn't it? Biological weapon? Has anybody ever found any proof for that particular conspiracy theory? I mean, isn't ten years a slightly overlong incubation period for a biological weapon? You'd have thought they'd want a simpler transmission vector to spread it faster as well.

Moonhead -> RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. (11/30/2009 12:19:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: Rule Erhm, that was and is the entire purpose of the HIV biologic weapon, wasn't and isn't it? Biological weapon? Has anybody ever found any proof for that particular conspiracy theory? Yep. (They are dead now.) I know I'm going to regret asking this, but did they publish anything on the subject? Citing where the virus was developed and how? Given that the first cases in America occurred in the late '70s whoever cooked it up would have been quite a long way ahead of their time. I don't think anybody was mucking about with plasmids for another six or seven years.

mnottertail -> RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. (11/30/2009 12:24:37 PM)
you will live to regret it. the voice of conspiracies past. Bob Marley and the Wailers

Rule -> RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. (11/30/2009 12:28:23 PM)
Good questions, EW. quote: ORIGINAL: EbonyWood Rule, do you have an STD? Indeed, I have the herpes simplex virus. I got infected at the mouth, but transferred it to many other parts of my body. (It has been in my profile from the moment that I wrote it four years ago.) quote: ORIGINAL: EbonyWood Have you previously? Sorry, I do not understand the question. quote: ORIGINAL: EbonyWood If so, do you think it has affected your sanity? Except for the stress, no. However the stress may have reinforced my previously present insanity. (To wit: being extremely rational. Hm, perhaps better expressed as insanely rational.) quote: ORIGINAL: EbonyWood Again, if so, are you seeking psychological treatment for such? Unfortunately them psychologists and psychiatrists do not know the first thing about psychology and psychiatry. Since I am extremely - and I stress EXTREMELY - rational, they thought that I was normal and sent me home. Pfff. That shows that normal people less rational than me are rationally severely handicapped. Actually, I like being insanely rational. My main objective was to get them to treat me for herpes and to repair my defective immune system. quote: ORIGINAL: EbonyWood I ask because the idea of obsession interests me. Thank you. No problem. You are welcome to ask. I have never been reticent about it anyway, as plenty of CM people may testify. It has been in my profile from the very first moment. Edited to add: I do am obsessed about the herpes virus.

Rule -> RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. (11/30/2009 12:46:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead I know I'm going to regret asking this, but did they publish anything on the subject? They probably intended to; peer review probably got them killed. quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead Given that the first cases in America occurred in the late '70s whoever cooked it up would have been quite a long way ahead of their time. I don't think anybody was mucking about with plasmids for another six or seven years. I haven't been paying that much attention to HIV. I read about it mostly in the eighties. I was using plasmids in 1983, and they had been around for at least five years, I think. Anyway, one does not need plasmids to evolve a killer virus. Simply take a sick monkey and cultivate the virus in white blood cells until you have reproductive success. I suspect that those rare seventies cases are a blind. I suspect that those were natural infections that had nothing to do with the weaponized virus which was developed somewhat later. It was bound to fail anyway. There now is medication that keeps people alive sufficiently long for them to reproduce and have large families. If there had been no medication, the virus would eventually run out of steam. Rabbits in Australia were purposely infected with myxomatosis, if I recall correctly. Very soon there were nearly no rabbits left - except for a couple of resistant individuals. A couple of years later the rabbits were back in full force. Them HIV weaponizers were rather dense, if you ask me. If I had to examine them, they would fail the exam. Now sterilizing humanity by surreptitiously including human gamete proteins in a flue vaccine: that is clever.

Rule -> RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. (11/30/2009 12:53:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead I mean, isn't ten years a slightly overlong incubation period for a biological weapon? You'd have thought they'd want a simpler transmission vector to spread it faster as well. It initially spread very fast, for example in whole prisons in France, and also in hemophilia patients in France. And then there were the Romanians (?) who infected a whole orphanage or childrens hospital in Lybia? A long incubation time would increase the number of people infected before HIV became AIDS. So that actually aids in spreading the infection (as does medication).

Moonhead -> RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. (11/30/2009 12:54:48 PM)
Hang on a second, there. The drugs for HIV slow it down in developing into full blown AIDS, but there's no sign of a vaccine or a cure yet. Don't they have blood samples from the '70s cases that are the main reason those are described as AIDS now? They can test for the virus, after all. My mistake about the plasmids: I'd thought that was an '80s development. I'm not sure the rabbit analogy really works though, as there hasn't ever been a single case of anybody with any resistance to HIV. That's part of why it's such an appalling problem, I'm told. Once you're infected you're going to die, sooner or later.

Moonhead -> RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. (11/30/2009 12:56:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead I mean, isn't ten years a slightly overlong incubation period for a biological weapon? You'd have thought they'd want a simpler transmission vector to spread it faster as well. It initially spread very fast, for example in whole prisons in France, and also in hemophilia patients in France. And then there were the Romanians (?) who infected a whole orphanage or childrens hospital in Lybia? A long incubation time would increase the number of people infected before HIV became AIDS. So that actually aids in spreading the infection (as does medication). Fair point, but the downside to that is that it makes the spread extremely hard to predict or control. I'd always been led to believe that was very desirable in a biological weapon.

vincentML -> RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. (11/30/2009 12:57:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: Rule It is very good that Christian churches teach that homosexuality is sinful. The essence of Christianity is that sexually transmitted diseases remain at a low frequency in the population, but do not become eradicated. If they taught that homosexuality was not sinful, then the frequency of sexually transmitted diseases would increase which would harm both the population and the gene pool as the effect of such diseases on the sexually selective mating behaviour of females would cease to have meaning. Would you kindly give us your citations that point to the understanding by the early churches of the germ theory of sexually transmitted diseases, on the relative frequency of sexually transmitted diseases homo v hetero, of the existence of a gene pool, of germ theory, and of the selective mating behavior of females in the first oh say ten centuries c.e. Citing your own imagined genius as a source is not acceptable for this exercise. Sorry. LMAO! On second thought, Don't! I cannot laugh anymore today. Okay, I won't. Nor did I ever say that the Christians understood such things - though they certainly prohibited blood marriages as they knew those were deleterious to the gene pool, i.e. that they were more likely to result in congenitally defective progeny than non-blood marriages. So it is your opinion that in order for a bacterium (or any other species) to evolve each individual must first have taken a 21st century academic degree in evolution biology, hm? I bet that you cannot tell me what a bacterium sitting on Mount Everest and drinking a pina colada is thinking. They knew blood marriages were deleterious to the gene pool? They knew of the gene pool? Your citation for this drivel. please? I made no such statement regarding the evolution of any individual. You are misinterpreting my words and inventing new ones to hide your embarrassing ignorance of Natural Selection as a process of Evolution. Just pathetic. vincent

Rule -> RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. (11/30/2009 1:09:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML They knew blood marriages were deleterious to the gene pool? If I recall correctly, I read about it in Bede's English history. quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML I made no such statement regarding the evolution of any individual. You are misinterpreting my words and inventing new ones to hide your embarrassing ignorance of Natural Selection as a process of Evolution. Just pathetic. Pfff. [8\|]

Rule -> RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. (11/30/2009 1:14:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead Fair point, but the downside to that is that it makes the spread extremely hard to predict or control. I'd always been led to believe that was very desirable in a biological weapon. Most biological weapons have been failures. The one great success was the bubonic plague infected blankets that were given to the USA indians. Guess what: most Europeans below 51 degrees north (or thereabouts) are resistent to the plague. Another success was the sterile male when combatting various insect populations. (I haven't heard anything about that recently, though.) Also insect predators are often successfully applied by farmers.

Moonhead -> RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. (11/30/2009 1:18:04 PM)
They still do the sterile insects. It's very effective and widely used, despite no longer being new, which is probably why they don't say much about it anymore. They just have to slightly irradiate the chrysalids, I think.

mnottertail -> RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. (11/30/2009 1:20:58 PM)
I think that there was some scientifically based true to life controversy regarding the death by conspiracy of Steve McQueen, and his proximity to 'The Blob', during filming.......... tinfoil. tinfoil. tinfoil alert. Ron

Moonhead -> RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. (11/30/2009 1:25:16 PM)
I thought he died of lung cancer rather than a conspiracy? He did an advert and everything...

mnottertail -> RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. (11/30/2009 1:26:41 PM)
think plasmids---------------LOLOLOL. you live you learn, you regret you learn........... I know you get the gimmick, Moonhead, Ron

Moonhead -> RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. (11/30/2009 1:31:41 PM)
"Hi, I'm Steve McQueen, and by the time you see this, I'll be dead. The conspiracy killed me, it was nothing to do with the fact that I smoked like a chimney and drank like a fish..."

mnottertail -> RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. (11/30/2009 1:35:04 PM)
who you gonna believe? conspiracy theorisst that base on unfounded science with no citable scientific evidence or your lying fucking eyes, old chap? I think you have your smoking gun and your 'attack of the killer tomatoes' fiasco all tied up, nice and tidy. Ron

NorthernGent -> RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. (11/30/2009 1:39:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule Most biological weapons have been failures. The one great success was the bubonic plague infected blankets that were given to the USA indians. One of the earliest instances of biological warfare was the Saxons battling the Vikings a few months before Hastings. The Saxons stuck their arrows in the ground where they'd been shitting and pissing and then gave the Vikings a volley - not the sort of surprise you want.

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