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RE: IfYouAreOverWeightHowDoYouExpectaDomToBelieveYouCan... - 10/17/2009 3:26:22 PM   
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A definition that is based upon interpretation Steel. You have to interpret those words by your own perceptions to make a full and complete decision on whether someone and what they are doing is shallow and what you do is by JUDGING that person by YOUR standards and decisions and ideas and perception. smiles, you seem to have a wonderful relationship with two women, i would hope my opinion based on a thread such as this and using your stats to explain my position wouldn't effect you in any way.

I apologize if you are now taking this personally -- YOU ASKED and i answered, by using the concept of what you stated you were -- as an example. Perhaps i could have done so differently, i apologize if you have been offended. It wasn't my intent but simply a way of explaining how needs can be effected by a persons perception of a person's appearance.


So when you go after a girl because you think she is hot or attractive and that is the ONLY reason you decide to get to know her -- are you also being shallow or does it only work when someone is rejected? Most people initially allow first impressions to decide a course of making an effort and it goes both ways -- in rejection or acceptance.


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RE: IfYouAreOverWeight - 10/17/2009 3:29:34 PM   
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I don't think "arrogant" is the word you're looking for. Naive, perhaps.


Assigning a definition to an action that fits in every way Naive?

Interesting point of view.

I used arrogance because she use it in her reply that is the only reason it is used. Consider me Naive all you want I have a Family, a Child and a Secure Poly Home and it works well for me, I am HAPPY and BLESSED.

If that makes me Naive I would rather be that then Shallow too.

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RE: IfYouAreOverWeight - 10/17/2009 3:29:40 PM   
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shakes my head Steel, all you are doing is giving YOUR opinion of how people should choose a mate. and what you are saying is YOUR OPINION is what makes it shallow or not for EVERYONE. Sorry, its not. Your own arrogance in believing you should set the standard of what everyone should consider in finding a mate or Dom or sub. Sorry but all you have are YOUR opinions. Just because i don't find you attractive for a Dom for ME because yes MY NEEDS, and yeah being 40 years old almost, i kinda know what those are and what does and doesn't turn me off in a Man especially one who wants to be my Master.

If you HONESTLY cannot see how a person's appearance could effect a WHOLE PERCEPTION OF A PERSON wherein NEEDS ARE NOT being met, and want to hold on to its shallow, then you are too tunnelvisioned to remotely see beyond your own DETERMINATIONS FOR WHY YOU CHOOSE PEOPLE FOR A RELATIONSHIP. And are trying to say no one else can have their own or they are WRONG, because of how it effects you personally.

You asked for needs i told you -- now you are trying to tell me that what i stated AREN'T NEEDS. What the hell Steel, who are YOU to determine what NEEDS of people are or should be based on your own prejudice?

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Not My Opinion. A Definiotion. Websters and Funk & Wagnals to be exact.

As for My stance on how you see the world. I'll be honest. I could give a shit if you thought I was attractive or not. Your Personality would stop any interest I had in you LONG before I gave a fuck what you looked like.

You are Shallow not because I say so but because you meet the definition of the word that carries your actions. If that makes me Arrogant. I will say that I would rather be arrogant than shallow. I would rather hold myself to a Higher Moral Standard than basing my partners on Body Image.

I am not asking you to do anything. I have a wonderful life and have no problem finding partners. I am just pointing out the OP's shallowness in beliving that someones weight could have anything to do with their ability to meet their needs unless those needs were also shallow and superficial.

Not Opinion. Logical Process.

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Steel, my advice is to give up answering angel, it's just going to go round and round. Dude it isn't worth it, there is a better way for us to spend our time. She just isn't going to get that there are people who see more than size out in the world.....


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RE: IfYouAreOverWeight - 10/17/2009 3:31:45 PM   
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Angel there is NOTHING I could take Peronally that would change my ability to engage in this topic.

Actually I use a Dictionary the way many others do. I read the definition and apply the action to the situation or thing being defined. I ask of you dearly to read the definition and realize that what you have stated in this thread applies. Not Vindictivly just realistically.

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RE: IfYouAreOverWeight - 10/17/2009 3:32:12 PM   
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Wolf2Bear lol i feel your frustration so to speak as not being able to explain it, really do hope one day they can pin this on something for everyone and the struggles people go through and the pain people go through can be explained easily and fixed the same way. Unfortunately, i don't think t ever will.


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RE: IfYouAreOverWeight - 10/17/2009 3:47:03 PM   
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This isn't about me --- i completely ACCEPT others may choose to invest their time getting to know someone or many or hell 100's if my experiences with the opposite sex are any indication with every single person who approaches them so they can say they look BEYOND looks and feel all special.

Before i was owned and hell even when i was owned it still happened a lot and after i was owned and started socializing and dating again, i many times was approached by up to 100 men a night especially if we went to the clubs, if not more . When i was in college adn went to the gym, i would have 2-4 guys want to HELP me with my work out and get to know me. Hell when i walked into the mall or stores i had guys coming on to me. All these Men wanting to get to know me or sleep with me or dance with me. Sometimes 2 or 3 at a time, hell if i went out on the dance floor by myself i would be surrounded by 4-6 men bumping my girlfriends dancing with me out of the way, so well gee ya know the music and environment didn't give me a chance to do a full interview of every single one of the guys -- so yeah i knew what i liked and i accepted thise who were what i liked and rejected the rest. It didn't just happen in clubs but any social venue, hell even the political dinners and such i attend.

I do the same thing NOW. Because sometimes when you have people looking at you wanting a yeah or nay you HAVE to use your preferences to make a decision on who you want to know better.

Yeah so god forbid having to make a decision based upon the only info i have available -- their first impression to me-- and people wnat to whine that its shallow -- no, its necessary maybe some people just don't get that. Some i think will.

Some became friends, some became more, and sometimes the initially rejected ones came back persistently and became friends. I am sorry but anyone who believes they never judge ANYONE based on appearance (GOOD OR BAD -- rejecting or accepting) is either lying to everyone or lying to themselves. NO ONE is that good.

I won't believe anyone who says they haven't looked at someone across the way and said yum or mmmm i want to get to know that person better or allowed their eyes to wander PAST someone in rejection based on their looks.



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RE: IfYouAreOverWeight - 10/17/2009 4:05:24 PM   
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I am glad you feel you know the Morale Code of the Population of the Globe.

How does a Blind man Determine his wife? Or should the Blind not marry?

I don't judge based on looks. I let their actions and demeanor speak it's verse then decide how I want to react. There are times I could be defined as Shallow. For instance when I see a Gang Banger, when I see a Thug, or a Shifty Individual I do not determine them automatically to be without merrit however if they fail to offer any redeaming quality then I will simply avoid any interaction. This is Shallow, I don't know them and I am basing my actions on superficial information. This is not Bad but it is Shallow and I own that. I would rather be Arrogant and Naive than Shallow but there are times I am all of them.

The point is that I own it and don't deny it.

When it comes to relationships looks really don't matter, Attraction does! My Attraction is not based on the superficial, it is based in a well rounded understanding of the person. Eventually you get used to them and you see the real person behind the image if you haven't gotten to know that person you run the risk of not liking what you see. If you already made your choice you learn that there is offten more than looks

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RE: IfYouAreOverWeightHowDoYouExpectaDomToBelieveYouCan... - 10/17/2009 4:10:15 PM   
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"Men are going out with the thin ones but go in with the fat ones."

Sacha Guitry (very approximate translalion)
I suggest you google Guitry to understand how much this author knew about men and women.

Bon sang! It seems that there is no places to hide from this frenesy of thinness, (maigreur?).

Can we for just a second stop sop valuating women by their weight and use some maybe less numeric but more useful characteristics like beauty, kindness, or even I daresay intelligence?



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RE: IfYouAreOverWeightHowDoYouExpectaDomToBelieveYouCan... - 10/17/2009 4:14:52 PM   
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If someone only finds value based upon my appearance... lol... it wont last.  I base my evaluations upon how they make me feel, not on looks.  regardless of what others may believe.



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RE: IfYouAreOverWeightHowDoYouExpectaDomToBelieveYouCan... - 10/17/2009 4:19:19 PM   
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I base my evaluations upon how they make me feel, not on looks.  regardless of what others may believe.




Exactly tazzy! I don't understand why some find it so hard to believe that there are those of us who don't judge a book by it's cover....


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RE: IfYouAreOverWeightHowDoYouExpectaDomToBelieveYouCan... - 10/17/2009 4:35:53 PM   
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Steel, you do realize blind people DO actually see a person's appearance yes? chuckles, this is ridiculous now. And i am not going to get into the merits of blind people. and marriage what the heck did that mean? Your statement there shows that you are pulling in irrationality -- none of this discussion was ever about marraige or people not marrying etc nor judging what people are capable or able to do.

Steel, i don't agree with you that you don't judge people at all by their appearance in any way when it comes to you consider for a relationship. -- i do agree that you believe you don't judge people at all by their appearance in any way when it comes to women you consider for a relationship.

But in the end, we all go on to live our lives, you as you do and the rest as they do, including myself. We each use what works for us.

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RE: IfYouAreOverWeightHowDoYouExpectaDomToBelieveYouCan... - 10/17/2009 5:03:42 PM   
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RE: IfYouAreOverWeightHowDoYouExpectaDomToBelieveYouCan... - 10/17/2009 5:05:44 PM   
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RE: IfYouAreOverWeightHowDoYouExpectaDomToBelieveYouCan... - 10/17/2009 5:08:40 PM   
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my ideal weight, personally, is about 30 pounds above the supposed ideal weight for my age/height. muscle weighs more than fat, and can give the appearance occasionally of bein "fat" grab on to my muscle though and you'll change your mind


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RE: IfYouAreOverWeightHowDoYouExpectaDomToBelieveYouCan... - 10/17/2009 5:11:01 PM   
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my ideal weight, personally, is about 30 pounds above the supposed ideal weight for my age/height. muscle weighs more than fat, and can give the appearance occasionally of bein "fat" grab on to my muscle though and you'll change your mind



*grabs SOfH's muscles and looks impressed* 


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RE: IfYouAreOverWeightHowDoYouExpectaDomToBelieveYouCan... - 10/17/2009 5:15:54 PM   
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my ideal weight, personally, is about 30 pounds above the supposed ideal weight for my age/height. muscle weighs more than fat, and can give the appearance occasionally of bein "fat" grab on to my muscle though and you'll change your mind



*grabs SOfH's muscles and looks impressed* 



lol the owner of the business i work at told me one day "you probably have more muscle than all the men that work here" and i laughed and he said "uhhhhh ummmm don't take that wrong. i didn't mean anything by it" i said "no offense taken. no worries, i won't beat you up"


*flexing for zeph*



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RE: IfYouAreOverWeight - 10/17/2009 5:23:32 PM   
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I enjoy the way that I am and going on a diet and going to the gym do not sound like things I would enjoy.


Steel THIS IS what i am speaking if YOU have choosen and admit its a choice YOU MAKE. FOR MOST PEOPLE IT IS AND THEY DON'T WANT TO ADMIT IT. However, you choose to be fat and yet you want to cry false when people don't find your attractive or want a relationship with you and call them shallow..


To me there is a big difference between "I don't find you attractive because your overweight" and "all overweight people are lazy" or "if you overweight, you don't care about your health"

Personally I am happy with my weight and general fitness and my doctor agrees with me.


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RE: IfYouAreOverWeightHowDoYouExpectaDomToBelieveYouCan... - 10/17/2009 5:26:24 PM   
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Well, let's see here. *steps up on my soapbox*

OP, you are presuming that anyone carrying extra weight is doing so out of lack of motivation and poor self image. You are presuming that all cases of weight gain has to do with a complete lack of self control, overeating, sitting on the ever growing fat ass, and being too lazy and stupid to change. Congratulations! You are a walking stereotype.

Let's start with some basics. BMI has been debunked repeatedly, but the medical community still holds on to it because it gives them an out when medical problems are too difficult for them to diagnose, treat, or cure effectively. It is a cop out to tell a patient to lose weight and not actively address the issues at hand. Weight loss may be useful as part of a treatment plan and when it is appropriate to even ask it, but it is malpractice to write off a patient in this way. Keeping in mind this is how many patients are treated, it means that many problems that INHIBIT weight loss are never addressed and, therefore, try as they may, the patients will NEVER be able to lose adequate weight to reap the benefits. Keep in mind that many of these health conditions are debilitating. Means of earning an inocme slowly decline along with the quality of food, healthcare, and access to recreational venues. Do you see where this is heading?

I am not going to blame everybody else for my weight. I also will not take blame that is not mine. What I can do is expose myself to those who can look beyond weight and treat me with respect. I have all the control over who I allow to interact with me. I get the choice of family I will bother with, friends I keep, doctors I trust, and lovers that can thrill my heart. This is a very basic matter and the one thing I can always do for myself and only have myself to blame if I expose myself to toxic people and poisonous situations. I have a doctor I am about to fire over this matter. The initial consultations gave me the impression he was ignorant, discriminatory, and already had his mind made up on how he was going to proceed to "help" me. I don't need the "help" of such people and have had a long fight to get away from the likes of him. I am not going to go back willingly as if I don't have options. I will move forward, on my own if necessary, and find the key people I need to propel me forward to better things.

If I expect this from a doctor, what do you think I expect from one who is to hold my everything in his hand? No, you wouldn't be the dominant for me. You really probably aren't the dominant for anyone seeking a healthy relationship. You equate worth to some rather superficial things. You have clearly shown yourself to be one for blaming the submissive for all the ills of the relationship without even thinking to lift a finger to lead her to meeting your expectations and needs. You preach about responsibility and motivation, but you lack any of your own. Why not try working together to help each of you become your absolute best for each other? Oh that's right, because then maybe the outcome of your own life would be determined based on your merits, and we just can't have that!

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RE: IfYouAreOverWeightHowDoYouExpectaDomToBelieveYouCan... - 10/17/2009 5:32:02 PM   
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I'msurethereareotherswhowillaskthisquestionbutIhonestlycan'trememberwhenIwaslastaskeddoyouthinkit'dbepossibletohyphenateoraddcomma'sinyourquestionnexttime?becauseI'msureit'dmakeiteasierformetoanswer.

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RE: IfYouAreOverWeightHowDoYouExpectaDomToBelieveYouCan... - 10/17/2009 5:35:04 PM   
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I'msurethereareotherswhowillaskthisquestionbutIhonestlycan'trememberwhenIwaslastaskeddoyouthinkit'dbepossibletohyphenateoraddcomma'sinyourquestionnexttime?becauseI'msureit'dmakeiteasierformetoanswer.



dang you. that gave me a headache

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