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RE: the movement from vanilla to D/s - 10/18/2009 1:56:09 PM   
alittleevil


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ORIGINAL: homedespot
I'm curious if I am unique in this or if others have experienced this distancing. Further I'm curious how this plays out in others daily life. For example I no longer share some personal information with him, while he continues to share all his thoughts and feelings with me. Is this true for others who have had this experience? { long term experiences that move from more traditional relationships to more strict or severe ones. }

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I would say that I love him but I am not romantically in love with him. I would say my feelings are hard to define. I can use analogies but they are inexact and imprecise. For example I can say I see him as an important possession a car or a dog, for which I have great affection but which I feel the relationship goes primarily one way. While I have to provide care (oil changes, food and walks), and I have to be responsible I don't have to reciprocate. Obviously these analogies are flawed. He is neither a machine nor a dog. I care for him very deeply and for his welfare but the romantic aspect is diminished. He is valuable property.

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(...)my ability to maintain a relationship in which romantic feelings are diminished is unusual. And that he is also unusual in that he not only *says* that he wants that extreme form of domination but it isn't purely fantasy on his part...he really does want it. But I do feel that there is a natural progression. Things tend to follow a certain path. As we've grown or changed we've seen a lot of this. We will read something or see something and think it is really 'out there', only to recognize ourselves there a few years later. I thought I could find people who have been down that path, but perhaps those people don't frequent CM or don't read my writing or aren't interested in the ramblings of those behind them.


Hello,
I really like your nickname, btw :-).

I've hesitated in responding because my experiences don't exactly fit your criteria, in that they were not with one person.  I was in a long term D/s relationship that was also a 'romantic' relationship and i am now in a relationship in which Master is very like what you describe.  I am certainly loved, i am cared for, but as a slave, as a girl in service, not in a romantic way, though we live together and, i suppose for lack of a better way to put it would be considered each other's primary companion type person.  Master does not share with me except that which he wishes to for reasons of his own. His affection for me is demonstrated rather like he does to the dogs--when and how he feels like it, rather than when and how i might personally prefer ;-).  He's in charge, i obey. That's pretty much the end and be all of our day to day life, even when we are having a lot of fun together :-).  Perhaps the clearest way i can express it is this:  if i were to suffer some traumatic head injury and come to no longer inclined as a submissive personality, Master, while he would certainly remain a strong supporter, a strong friend, would not put aside his expectations/desires for the girl in his life to be submissive to him for the sake of keeping me as the girl in his life.  He would find another girl.

You are right, words that accurately convey all these shades of meaning are hard to come by.  I am loved but i am not Master's "girlfriend." I love him, not as a lover, but simply as Master.  We did not progress from vanilla to M/s, and ours is not and never was a romantic relationship, nor is it cold. But the very real affection that is there is not the affection of  equals.

Peace,
aj



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RE: the movement from vanilla to D/s - 10/18/2009 7:31:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero
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ORIGINAL: dreamerdreaming
Re: your linked definition of slave: I don't agree with it.


Re: Re: I actually found it quite spot on.


Sorry... but with regard to the OP's definition (as stated by the supplied link) that describes the supposed difference between a sub or slave (and one which you agree with), I find such BDSM blatherings beyond ridiculous!  In fact, the below quotes from that link are prime examples of why I feel it's pure garbage:

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a) The submissive is a volunteer. The slave is not a volunteer
 
b) The slave is beyond the last level of the submissive
 
c) The slave vacates limits



a) If a slave is "not a volunteer", then there is NO CONSENT;  which CLEARLY is total bullshit!

b) To speak of "levels" of submission assumes a sub is on one end of some supposed (and progressing) spectrum of submission, where the slave is on the other.  This assumes (wrongly) that a slave's submission is somehow GREATER than a sub's submission, and is often based on non-telling things such as limits (be they on freedoms and/or sexual acts) or other PHYSICAL acts of submission (e.g., kneeling, following orders, protocols, etc.).  To view the difference between sub and slave in this manner is not only flawed, but immature at best.

c) To the horror of many who believe the type of garbage frequently found in links like the one supplied by the OP... SLAVES TOO HAVE LIMITS!!!  They are not "vacated".  A slave simply selects a Master/Mistress whose limits MATCH THEIR OWN, just as a sub selects a Dom/Domme whose limits match their own.  GASP!!!


TO THE OP:  There are a good number of people involved in the power dynamic who actively seek to remove any "romantic" component from their relationshiip/dynamic and actively work to ensure there is the "distancing" that you wrote of, as they feel any romantic connection/bond actually INHIBITS the M/s dynamic; which may be the reason why you've found it's brought you two closer?  I'm certainly not stating this type of dynamic is better or worse than one where a romantic connection exists, just that there are some who have found for them personally (and thus, prefer) a dynamic that has the emotional "distance" between the dominant and submissive partner(s). 



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RE: the movement from vanilla to D/s - 10/18/2009 8:11:23 PM   
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Do you really have to use this thread to get into this argument over the definition of slave, despite the explicitly stated request of the OP? It's easy enough to start another thread if you want to get into that.

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RE: the movement from vanilla to D/s - 10/19/2009 7:05:58 AM   
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I am certainly loved, i am cared for, but as a slave, as a girl in service, not in a romantic way, though we live together and, i suppose for lack of a better way to put it would be considered each other's primary companion type person.  Master does not share with me except that which he wishes to for reasons of his own. His affection for me is demonstrated rather like he does to the dogs--when and how he feels like it, rather than when and how i might personally prefer ;-).  He's in charge, i obey. That's pretty much the end and be all of our day to day life, even when we are having a lot of fun together :-).  Perhaps the clearest way i can express it is this:  if i were to suffer some traumatic head injury and come to no longer inclined as a submissive personality, Master, while he would certainly remain a strong supporter, a strong friend, would not put aside his expectations/desires for the girl in his life to be submissive to him for the sake of keeping me as the girl in his life.  He would find another girl.


Thank you for your response. I found it interesting and valuable. I realize that each situation is unique and therefore no one will actually be in my shoes. It can be hard to write questions that are not to specific and not to general *grins*. I think you describe my relationship and feelings well. I've almost been wondering if this is a female/male communication issue. That I "love" him in a more traditional "male" way. Anyway I found your response helpful.

Thank you,

J.

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RE: the movement from vanilla to D/s - 10/19/2009 11:33:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: hardbodysub

Do you really have to use this thread to get into this argument over the definition of slave...



When the alleged "definition" put forth is so ridiculously flawed and counter to reality... YES, ABSOLUTELY!!!  And I trust you'll note, I did also address the topic of the thread;  so the OP received an answer in this regard as well.  Others may choose to ignore (at the request of another, or of their own volition) the silly ideas and misinformation that's routinely tossed about on the net of "What it is to be a slave", but I do not.  Doing so only serves to validate said misinformation.  To me, it would no different if the OP linked to a site that stated, "All women are idiots", or "Whites are superior to blacks", or "Homosexuality is a mental illness"; and then request NO COMMENT be made to such nonsense.  The tenets put forth in the link provided by the OP are equally egregious.
 

 

< Message edited by MasterSlaveLA -- 10/19/2009 12:11:46 PM >


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RE: the movement from vanilla to D/s - 10/19/2009 12:42:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: hardbodysub

I suspect that many men in relationships are nervous about surrendering to their submissive yearnings because they fear such a change in the romantic bond between them and their partner.

It's a bit of a submissive's conundrum. It's so exciting to submit to her dominance, but as her dominance grows, and my submission becomes more complete, moving closer to a slave-like role, how will her feelings toward me change? Will she be less attracted to me as a romantic partner because, even if subconsciously, she loses some respect for me, or sees me as less strong or "manly"?


I am a submissive woman, married for 19 years... when we started down this path about 2 years ago i was very afraid He would lose respect for me...
i told Him my fears and as it turns out we're doing ok... i do get scared at times about submitting though... (darn boogie thing)
Our relationship is one of love, but we are not IN love all the time... i think i am most IN love with Him after brilliant sex.... the rest of the time i just love Him, sometimes i think i can't feel my love for Him... until i imagine my life without Him

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RE: the movement from vanilla to D/s - 10/19/2009 7:25:22 PM   
alittleevil


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ORIGINAL: homedespot
Thank you for your response. I found it interesting and valuable. I realize that each situation is unique and therefore no one will actually be in my shoes. It can be hard to write questions that are not to specific and not to general *grins*. I think you describe my relationship and feelings well. I've almost been wondering if this is a female/male communication issue. That I "love" him in a more traditional "male" way. Anyway I found your response helpful.


Hello again,

I'm glad you could appreciate what i wrote :-). 

Thinking...i don't know if i see it as so much a female/male difference as it is the factor that "love", in the context of a "paired up" (at least) situation of people making their lives together, tends to have one default connotation to most people.  If one is talking about the love one has for a parent, a friend, a child, even a pet :-), there isn't the difficulty in understanding the difference between that and the love one has for one's partner.  I am Master's companion in life, ergo the default assumption for many is that our relationship is, or was, traditionally "romantic."  Nobody assumes he is in love if he says "I love my dog," or "I love my grandmother," or even "I love my new guitar." <g>

Wishing you well,
aj

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RE: the movement from vanilla to D/s - 10/19/2009 7:38:25 PM   
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I have very definite ideas on the male vs. female way of thinking and speaking, and this is so not the place to post them!

As for the rest of what you say it also resonates. The problem for looking for an analogy with this is that they all fall short. It is closer to beloved pet or loved child then romantic partner. But he is not a dog, or a child and I don't treat him that way.

At the very least in the past few days I have had a few responses on list, a few off list, and a few from elsewhere that seem to be on a similar path to me.

I am glad I asked. I'm glad people answered.

J.

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RE: the movement from vanilla to D/s - 10/19/2009 8:27:57 PM   
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Anytime, GF!

*tips hat to the lovely Despot*


Would you say you love him with more like a family kind of love- like the way you'd love a brother, cousin or uncle?

Love evolves, over time. Change is good.

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