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rulemylife -> RE: Rush Limbaugh and Dan Rather partners in crime (10/25/2009 7:46:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: Dragonsbreaths

You are right, there is so much in common when one makes up false information and refuses to admit it and on did not do enough fact checking and admits they were taken. Add to that one is supposed to be a reporter and one a commentator.

Of course Rush simply making up false claims is worse than Rather failing at fact checking a story but I think the point is that if what Rather did was justification for running him off the air then Rush should hang up his mike.


I may have misinterpreted but I think he was saying the opposite, that Rather made up the story.






Irishknight -> RE: Rush Limbaugh and Dan Rather partners in crime (10/25/2009 8:26:59 AM)

We expect Rush to make up lies. Its his job. We expected Rather to tell the truth. Thats why he lost his job.




chiaThePet -> RE: Rush Limbaugh and Dan Rather partners in crime (10/25/2009 8:43:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

Unless, of course, you happen to see him crossing the street in front of you as you're driving down the road. Then you run him over with your car.

Edit: And then back over him to make sure.



Or, you find yourself suddenly stunned with an airbag bruise on your forehead and $8,000 dollars front end damage,
screaming hysterically into the starry night, "WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT?" "DID ANYBODY SEE THAT THING?"

chia* (the pet)




RacerJim -> RE: Rush Limbaugh and Dan Rather partners in crime (10/25/2009 9:02:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales

~FR~

As much as I hate to say it, I don't think that Limbaugh deserves the same treatment Rather received. Dan Rather was a newsman, a journalist. It was his responsibility to present news that was accurate. Limbaugh is an entertainer who has never been held to any standards of truth, fairness of reason. If he were not allowed to lie outrageously, make comments as vile as allowed by the FCC and present his own twisted view of things, he would not be on the radio in the first place.

As sad as it was to see a fine journalistic career end in disgrace, it was the only answer to what he had been a part of. The only answer to Rush is to, as most intelligent people do, shake your head at his nonsense and go on with more important things.



Myself, I look at it the opposite.

Rather had a long, distinguished career and was well-respected.  One mistake, and my understanding is he believed the sources had been checked by others in the organization, does not overshadow the jounalistic integrity he displayed for years.

As far as Rush being an entertainer, you and I both know he is not viewed that way by the majority of his supporters.


Myself, I have the opposite opinion of Dan Rather.

Dan Rather had a long, successful career and was a well-known liberal who would do/say whatever to get his "five minutes of fame".
“I think you can be an honest person and lie about any number of things.”
-- Dan Rather on The O'Reilly Factor, May 15, 2001
 
Dan Rather's first mistake occured 21 years ago when he successfully perpetrated an outright fraud about the Vietnam War on the American people.  On June 2, 1988, CBS aired an hour-long special entitled CBS Reports: The Wall Within, which CBS trumpeted as the "rebirth of the TV documentary."  It purported to tell the true story of the Vietnam Was through the eyes of six men who fought there, as told to Dan Rather.  And what terrible stories they had to tell.  The The Wall Within was hailed by critics who — like the Washington Post's Tom Shales — gushed that the documentary was "extraordinarily powerful."  There was just one problem: Almost none of it was true. The truth was uncovered by B.G. Burkett, a Vietnam veteran and author of Stolen Valor: How the Vietnam Generation Was Robbed of its Heroes and its History (with Glenna Whitley).  Simply by filing FOIA requests for each of those men's military records, which CBS and/or Rather could and should have done before airing that report, Burkett discovered that only one of the vets had actually served in combat and even at that wasn't anywhere near the event he described witnessing.

Dan Rather attempted to sway the 2004 election towards Kerry by "taking down" Bush Jr at any cost simply to get back at Bush Sr for having put Rather in his place during an interview when he (Bush Sr) was POTUS.  It is my understanding that at least a week BEFORE Rather attacked Bush's military record on 60 Minutes at least two independent forensic document examiners hired by CBS warned CBS that the documents most likely were forgeries.  Adios and good ridance.  




Sanity -> RE: Rush Limbaugh and Dan Rather partners in crime (10/25/2009 11:13:05 AM)


No, obviously its news when Rush merely gets punked. Imagine the uproar if he actually did get caught making something up... like Dan Rather (who was a news anchor) did.

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ORIGINAL: Irishknight

We expect Rush to make up lies. Its his job. We expected Rather to tell the truth. Thats why he lost his job.




mnottertail -> RE: Rush Limbaugh and Dan Rather partners in crime (10/25/2009 11:14:26 AM)

Bullshit Sanity,

Rather did not make it up, he was just as punked as the imbicile Limbaugh.

Ron




Sanity -> RE: Rush Limbaugh and Dan Rather partners in crime (10/25/2009 11:18:39 AM)


You're not making any sense mnottertail. It's common knowledge that Rather was fired in disgrace because he was caught reporting a lie he knew was invented in order to change the election outcome, and Rush is hardly an imbecile. No one could become the most wealthy and popular radio host in history if they were an imbecile.


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Bullshit Sanity,

Rather did not make it up, he was just as punked as the imbicile Limbaugh.

Ron




pahunkboy -> RE: Rush Limbaugh and Dan Rather partners in crime (10/25/2009 11:22:49 AM)

If I cant have a trillion $ by next week- the entire country is going to collapse!!!


-just sayn-




Sanity -> RE: Rush Limbaugh and Dan Rather partners in crime (10/25/2009 11:24:33 AM)


You're talking about another huge liar there, pa, but I see your point.  [:D]


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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

If I cant have a trillion $ by next week- the entire country is going to collapse!!!


-just sayn-





mnottertail -> RE: Rush Limbaugh and Dan Rather partners in crime (10/25/2009 11:25:24 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


You're not making any sense mnottertail. It's common knowledge that Rather was fired in disgrace because he was caught trying to change the election outcome, and Rush is hardly an imbecile. No one could become the most wealthy and popular radio host in history if they were an imbecile.


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Bullshit Sanity,

Rather did not make it up, he was just as punked as the imbicile Limbaugh.

Ron


Sanity by old buddy,

you need to adjust or change your meds, or get a clue, or something, no such thing is remotely true, he was not 'caught' (as in anything remotely illegal) trying to change an election outcome, as you cast it, fuck if that is the reason for firing, then you will be forced to agree (and have already agreed and stated by fiat) that Rush should be fired for trying to change the election outcome......do you remember something along the lines of, we should all vote for Hillary because?

where do you get this insipid shit you come up with?

Ron




Sanity -> RE: Rush Limbaugh and Dan Rather partners in crime (10/25/2009 11:30:23 AM)


I think you're missing the point, mnottertail. Rush isn't a news anchor, and he doesn't pretend to be one, either (except perhaps occasionally in obvious jest).

And I'm pretty sure that difference been mentioned in this thread already.




AnimusRex -> RE: Rush Limbaugh and Dan Rather partners in crime (10/25/2009 11:30:55 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity
No one could become the most wealthy and popular radio host in history if they were an imbecile.



Excuse me? I often think being an imbecile is a prerequisite for the job!

however, as much as I would love an opportunity to slam Rush, I chalk this episode up to more evidence of the hair-trigger outrage factory that is radio and blogging. Instead of checking sources and coorborating links, many bloggers and pundits instead rush to be the first to let fly with a screeching outrage-o-gram to their followers.
Rush isn't the first, won't be the last.




Sanity -> RE: Rush Limbaugh and Dan Rather partners in crime (10/25/2009 11:34:02 AM)


Take out the part about  "Rush" and you're accurately describing actual news anchors on any of the alphabet channels.

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ORIGINAL: AnimusRex

Excuse me? I often think being an imbecile is a prerequisite for the job!

however, as much as I would love an opportunity to slam Rush, I chalk this episode up to more evidence of the hair-trigger outrage factory that is radio and blogging. Instead of checking sources and coorborating links, many bloggers and pundits instead rush to be the first to let fly with a screeching outrage-o-gram to their followers.
Rush isn't the first, won't be the last.




mnottertail -> RE: Rush Limbaugh and Dan Rather partners in crime (10/25/2009 11:41:52 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


I think you're missing the point, mnottertail. Rush isn't a news anchor, and he doesn't pretend to be one, either (except perhaps occasionally in obvious jest).

And I'm pretty sure that difference been mentioned in this thread already.



there is no known law that news anchors must be impartial.

you presume as you wish, it don't mean a fucking thing to anyone else in the world. You haven't the glimmer of an argument in favor of the imbicile Limbaugh, or against Rather, or for or against law, or any other thing.




DomKen -> RE: Rush Limbaugh and Dan Rather partners in crime (10/25/2009 11:42:06 AM)


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: Dragonsbreaths

You are right, there is so much in common when one makes up false information and refuses to admit it and on did not do enough fact checking and admits they were taken. Add to that one is supposed to be a reporter and one a commentator.

Of course Rush simply making up false claims is worse than Rather failing at fact checking a story but I think the point is that if what Rather did was justification for running him off the air then Rush should hang up his mike.


I may have misinterpreted but I think he was saying the opposite, that Rather made up the story.

But that is contrary to teh facts of the situation. Rush has been caught dozens of times simply making up his own facts and Rather simply reported a story that turned out to be false.




Sanity -> RE: Rush Limbaugh and Dan Rather partners in crime (10/25/2009 11:43:40 AM)


And you consider yourself to be the final arbiter of all of that?  [:D]

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

there is no known law that news anchors must be impartial.

you presume as you wish, it don't mean a fucking thing to anyone else in the world. You haven't the glimmer of an argument in favor of the imbicile Limbaugh, or against Rather, or for or against law, or any other thing.





mnottertail -> RE: Rush Limbaugh and Dan Rather partners in crime (10/25/2009 11:48:06 AM)

nope, and not even the first, there is no valid premise and there is nothing to arbitrate.



EVERYONE other than fuckheads know that Rather was not fired for trying to 'change' an election, and there is no law that says that anchors must be impartial, and hell there isn't any presumption of that anymore these days.

Ron




Sanity -> RE: Rush Limbaugh and Dan Rather partners in crime (10/25/2009 11:59:26 AM)


Rush must be the envy of progressives everywhere. Not only is he the most listened to radio host ever but I'm pretty sure there are more threads started about him here than anyone, including Barack Obama.

Obama even feels so threatened by Rush Limbaugh that he's taking Rush on directly.

'Ol Rush Limbaugh must have something going for him. All thats's awfully good, for an imbecile!




mnottertail -> RE: Rush Limbaugh and Dan Rather partners in crime (10/25/2009 12:02:42 PM)

well, it is about all an imbicile can hope for. to be the awesome model for his peers. somebodies gotta be the head imbicile, his name is easy to spell, maybe that's why.

Ron




Sanity -> RE: Rush Limbaugh and Dan Rather partners in crime (10/25/2009 1:21:51 PM)


Baseless name calling, smears, and underhanded personal attacks...

I wish I could say that its amazing what passes for reasoned debate here, but after a time that which is commonplace ceases to amaze.




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