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straw8erries -> RE: Guys and strapons....a rant (12/4/2009 7:21:06 PM)
Hiya - yes I do understand that. It's a very valid point. All I'm saying is: It doesn't have anything to do with strapons!

straw8erries -> RE: Guys and strapons....a rant (12/4/2009 8:59:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen I'm not saying what's acceptable or not. I'm just saying that if you're a lonely desperate man into getting it in your ass, the Women on this site don't really give a flying fuck and for the most part are tired of reading about your strap-on fantasy so stop sending the messages. Don't confuse being tired of hearing about your kink as not finding the kink acceptable. boi Property of MsKitty Hello again! If all you said was that you were tired of reading messages from men into getting it in their asses I would have seen no reason to question this… Or if you had just said that opening a conversation with an intimate sexual request is disrespectful and idiotic then I would have agreed with you… But you also make an unrelated point about strapons: ‘I am SO damn tired of reading messages about how guys think taking it up the ass is "service”’ The implication being that taking it up the ass is not in reality service, and that therefore anyone who thinks that it is and is looking for this is: Selfish – for wanting something that in reality is a service to him Ignorant or stupid or both – for not having realised that this is the case Not a true submissive – again for wanting something that in reality is a service to him All of which is pretty damning, and is you saying what's acceptable or not. Now I could be accused of putting words into your mouth here! But it is there between the lines of what you said and what others have said on the thread. It’s also wrong. Obviously guys who take it up the ass do so because they enjoy it. But, speaking as someone who is actually himself a male submissive I can tell you that it’s not enjoyable in and of itself - it just hurts a bit. It is nothing like getting a blowjob (as you implied in one of your posts) and is not something that straight men want in vanilla relationships. It’s enjoyable as an act of submission in exactly the same way as CBT, foot worship, queening, etc none of which I have seen you questioning. Obviously it has to be something the domme wants and initiated by her but that should be a given and again is true for everything. Not trying to start a fight here just standing up for myself and others like me. Lonely desperate man into getting it in your asses are people too you know! Thanks

Venatrix -> RE: Guys and strapons....a rant (12/4/2009 9:46:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: straw8erries Obviously guys who take it up the ass do so because they enjoy it. But, speaking as someone who is actually himself a male submissive I can tell you that it’s not enjoyable in and of itself - it just hurts a bit. It is nothing like getting a blowjob (as you implied in one of your posts) and is not something that straight men want in vanilla relationships. It’s enjoyable as an act of submission in exactly the same way as CBT, foot worship, queening, etc none of which I have seen you questioning. This may be true for you, but I know of many, many men who LOVE this form of play, because it is enjoyable in and of itself (prostate, anyone?). I also know of straight men who identify as vanilla who enjoy it. You are not, sadly, the touchstone by which male anal play is measured. If you're going to make blanket statements, I'd suggest you do some proper research instead of just talking off the top of your head.

Underumam -> RE: Guys and strapons....a rant (12/5/2009 6:54:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Venatrix quote: ORIGINAL: straw8erries Obviously guys who take it up the ass do so because they enjoy it. But, speaking as someone who is actually himself a male submissive I can tell you that it’s not enjoyable in and of itself - it just hurts a bit. It is nothing like getting a blowjob (as you implied in one of your posts) and is not something that straight men want in vanilla relationships. It’s enjoyable as an act of submission in exactly the same way as CBT, foot worship, queening, etc none of which I have seen you questioning. This may be true for you, but I know of many, many men who LOVE this form of play, because it is enjoyable in and of itself (prostate, anyone?). I also know of straight men who identify as vanilla who enjoy it. You are not, sadly, the touchstone by which male anal play is measured. If you're going to make blanket statements, I'd suggest you do some proper research instead of just talking off the top of your head. Research is not usually a requirement Venatrix, experience is..lol. For me, there is a very distinct BLEND of pleasure and service in this act. In the animistic world, being mounted and fucked is a sign of dominion. While it's true that we are human, our bodies still have primal urges that are closely connected to animistic desires. There is nothing that I've experienced that shows my sexual-submission to Her more than being taken in this way, as well as Her desiring to take. The pain experienced is directly realated to the size of the dildo, and once the hole is adjusted, the pain is no more a factor. I believe that other posters are commenting on the fact that this is mainly a sexual act, and there are more signifigant ways of demonstrating submission to Her than sex. I try to keep domestic servitude separate from sexual, as they are different forms of expression. If the domestic is not there, there will most likely not be any sexual either. And if domestic is there, and it's not being transferred over to sexual expression, the D/s long term relationship will usually falter as well. (except for true slavery of course). As usual, the success of anything depends upon the people involved. What's right for one couple, is not always right for others..

BoiJen -> RE: Guys and strapons....a rant (12/5/2009 3:47:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: straw8erries Hello again! If all you said was that you were tired of reading messages from men into getting it in their asses I would have seen no reason to question this… Or if you had just said that opening a conversation with an intimate sexual request is disrespectful and idiotic then I would have agreed with you… But you also make an unrelated point about strapons: ‘I am SO damn tired of reading messages about how guys think taking it up the ass is "service”’ The implication being that taking it up the ass is not in reality service, and that therefore anyone who thinks that it is and is looking for this is: Selfish – for wanting something that in reality is a service to him Ignorant or stupid or both – for not having realised that this is the case Not a true submissive – again for wanting something that in reality is a service to him All of which is pretty damning, and is you saying what's acceptable or not. Now I could be accused of putting words into your mouth here! But it is there between the lines of what you said and what others have said on the thread. It’s also wrong. Obviously guys who take it up the ass do so because they enjoy it. But, speaking as someone who is actually himself a male submissive I can tell you that it’s not enjoyable in and of itself - it just hurts a bit. It is nothing like getting a blowjob (as you implied in one of your posts) and is not something that straight men want in vanilla relationships. It’s enjoyable as an act of submission in exactly the same way as CBT, foot worship, queening, etc none of which I have seen you questioning. Obviously it has to be something the domme wants and initiated by her but that should be a given and again is true for everything. Not trying to start a fight here just standing up for myself and others like me. Lonely desperate man into getting it in your asses are people too you know! Thanks So explain to me about how mutually enjoyable sex is "service". As a female boi (note: no physical prostate) I've never had a problem with the highly enjoyable mix of pleasure and pain as a bottom to ass fucking. I love it in fact. As a masculine identified female I relate to sex in a similar manner that men do. In fact, research shows that my brain and chemical function is more closely related to that of a male's that of a feminine female. To top that off, the straight, male s-types who are friends of mine happen to share similar political and relationship views as I do. With all of this in common with typical straight male s-types, why on earth can I draw a different conclusion than the average straight male s-type seeking this type of sexual interaction? (general) Cuz I listen to the Women in my life as friends and the Owner...it's not service. Get over it. You're simply wrong in this thinking process if you do believe that mutually enjoyable sex acts are service. Strap-on sex with a male on the bottom happens to be up there with guys viewing going down a Woman ("queening", facesitting for oral sex, whatever) as service. If you're the first guy in line to dive in cuz you like it...it's not service...it's oral sex. Enjoy it for what it is. Stop trying to dress it up. The Women you're addressing aren't that dumb and you should stop treating them as if they are. boi Property of MsKitty

nmf78 -> RE: Guys and strapons....a rant (12/7/2009 11:09:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen quote: ORIGINAL: straw8erries Hello again! If all you said was that you were tired of reading messages from men into getting it in their asses I would have seen no reason to question this… Or if you had just said that opening a conversation with an intimate sexual request is disrespectful and idiotic then I would have agreed with you… But you also make an unrelated point about strapons: ‘I am SO damn tired of reading messages about how guys think taking it up the ass is "service”’ The implication being that taking it up the ass is not in reality service, and that therefore anyone who thinks that it is and is looking for this is: Selfish – for wanting something that in reality is a service to him Ignorant or stupid or both – for not having realised that this is the case Not a true submissive – again for wanting something that in reality is a service to him All of which is pretty damning, and is you saying what's acceptable or not. Now I could be accused of putting words into your mouth here! But it is there between the lines of what you said and what others have said on the thread. It’s also wrong. Obviously guys who take it up the ass do so because they enjoy it. But, speaking as someone who is actually himself a male submissive I can tell you that it’s not enjoyable in and of itself - it just hurts a bit. It is nothing like getting a blowjob (as you implied in one of your posts) and is not something that straight men want in vanilla relationships. It’s enjoyable as an act of submission in exactly the same way as CBT, foot worship, queening, etc none of which I have seen you questioning. Obviously it has to be something the domme wants and initiated by her but that should be a given and again is true for everything. Not trying to start a fight here just standing up for myself and others like me. Lonely desperate man into getting it in your asses are people too you know! Thanks So explain to me about how mutually enjoyable sex is "service". As a female boi (note: no physical prostate) I've never had a problem with the highly enjoyable mix of pleasure and pain as a bottom to ass fucking. I love it in fact. As a masculine identified female I relate to sex in a similar manner that men do. In fact, research shows that my brain and chemical function is more closely related to that of a male's that of a feminine female. To top that off, the straight, male s-types who are friends of mine happen to share similar political and relationship views as I do. With all of this in common with typical straight male s-types, why on earth can I draw a different conclusion than the average straight male s-type seeking this type of sexual interaction? (general) Cuz I listen to the Women in my life as friends and the Owner...it's not service. Get over it. You're simply wrong in this thinking process if you do believe that mutually enjoyable sex acts are service. Strap-on sex with a male on the bottom happens to be up there with guys viewing going down a Woman ("queening", facesitting for oral sex, whatever) as service. If you're the first guy in line to dive in cuz you like it...it's not service...it's oral sex. Enjoy it for what it is. Stop trying to dress it up. The Women you're addressing aren't that dumb and you should stop treating them as if they are. boi Property of MsKitty is it really that important if its a service or not? i really don't see the big deal about this.

LadyPact -> RE: Guys and strapons....a rant (12/7/2009 11:15:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: nmf78 is it really that important if its a service or not? i really don't see the big deal about this. For those who don't see it as a service, the misconception of the idea of thinking it is might be considered a big deal. For those who are happy with their designation as service oriented, I can absolutely see why they would take issue with it.

SweetDommes -> RE: Guys and strapons....a rant (12/7/2009 11:20:42 AM)
It's not so much that it's important if it's service or not ... what is important is the attitude behind thinking that it's service. When we get an e-mail from a guy offering to "serve" as our sex toy, and offering up his ass, and various other body parts "for our use" ... I just get irritated. We don't need his ass, his genitals, his anything ... and the attitude that we invariably get from the letters is that we should be grateful that he's offering us his body. Sorry, but that's not how it works. Service, to us, is him doing things that WE want, not doing things that he wants. If they overlap, then that's fabulous - but we will still be served in the manner that we wish to be served - not how he wants to serve us.

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