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More evidence that the climate change deniers are wrong - 10/27/2009 12:54:52 AM

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http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/ap-impact-statisticians-reject-174088.html

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RE: More evidence that the climate change deniers are w... - 10/27/2009 2:07:45 AM

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Straw man Ken, at it again.

Nobody denies climate change. What is questioned is anthropogenic global warming. Let me know when you guys discover all those previously unknown medieval coal-fired power plants, okay?

The data summarized in the above image have been updated here (Ohio State University).

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RE: More evidence that the climate change deniers are w... - 10/27/2009 6:07:20 AM

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of course things are effected when there is chem trails! like ya cant be spraying shit on people and expect not shit to come down.

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RE: More evidence that the climate change deniers are w... - 10/27/2009 6:28:20 AM

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We are polluting our enviroment, that is for sure, something which will come back and bite us, if it is not doing so already, ( rise of allergic conditions, decreased fertility in males and others issues), but human made global warming, I don't believe so, it is something created by those who wish to alarm, control and extract money. Carbon credits for example, after the fact, in reality permission to pollute, perhaps a small price to pay after the damage is done, a bit of illegal dumped waste in the local watercourse, far cheaper than specialist and expensive hazardous waste removal, hey despite the carbon credit payment, money saved.

As an aside from the so called man made global warming issue, looking at the graphs of the data collected and presented, to me it is interesting that when there has been a warm plateau on the graph, people of the various cultures seem to have thrived as a society in these periods. But on looking at these graphs, we, our present world temperature, is not yet at the temperature these thriving societies existed in, so, perhaps the warming will in effect, do us good, if history is to be taken as an example.

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RE: More evidence that the climate change deniers are w... - 10/27/2009 6:30:00 AM

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When I was in grad school, We in the Bio department had a saying "no matter what your data says... if your torture it sufficiently, it'll confess"

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RE: More evidence that the climate change deniers are w... - 10/27/2009 6:53:55 AM

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Nobody denies climate change.

Shall I post links to some of the more recent posts on this forum? Perhaps this thread will stir your memory? Notice that this AP investigation directly debunks the claims made in that thread's source article.

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RE: More evidence that the climate change deniers are w... - 10/27/2009 7:00:19 AM

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When I was in grad school, We in the Bio department had a saying "no matter what your data says... if your torture it sufficiently, it'll confess"

That is priceless. May I use it?

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RE: More evidence that the climate change deniers are w... - 10/27/2009 7:03:51 AM

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Use away. As far as I know it is as old as grad students and satistics. Public domain by now.

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RE: More evidence that the climate change deniers are w... - 10/27/2009 8:41:08 AM

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As an aside from the so called man made global warming issue, looking at the graphs of the data collected and presented, to me it is interesting that when there has been a warm plateau on the graph, people of the various cultures seem to have thrived as a society in these periods. But on looking at these graphs, we, our present world temperature, is not yet at the temperature these thriving societies existed in, so, perhaps the warming will in effect, do us good, if history is to be taken as an example.

Indeed, there is that theory that humanity has thrived during the thaws. Although he tends to be a believer in anthropogenic causes for GW, Brian Fagan courageously makes the same point over and again in his book The Little Ice Age

Warmth promotes the abundance of agriculture and leisure; cold kills. He even laid the causes of the Bubonic Plagues in Europe after 1315 to the onset of the longer, colder winters when peasants were forced to huddle for warmth in their hovels with their animals, rats, and germ vector fleas.

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RE: More evidence that the climate change deniers are w... - 10/27/2009 9:46:17 AM

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quote:

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ORIGINAL: Kirata
Nobody denies climate change.

Shall I post links to some of the more recent posts on this forum? Perhaps this thread will stir your memory? Notice that this AP investigation directly debunks the claims made in that thread's source article.

Oh by all means, post away. Even according to the source article itself, the so-called climate change sceptics, "argue that there are natural cycles, over which we have no control, that dictate how warm the planet is." In English, that means that they aren't really sceptical of climate change per se, they're sceptical of anthropogenic global warming.

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RE: More evidence that the climate change deniers are w... - 10/27/2009 1:27:25 PM

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Kirata, but domken, can pull one sentance from your post out of context, and pretend he has an argument....

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RE: More evidence that the climate change deniers are w... - 10/27/2009 2:00:40 PM

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: Kirata
Nobody denies climate change.

Shall I post links to some of the more recent posts on this forum? Perhaps this thread will stir your memory? Notice that this AP investigation directly debunks the claims made in that thread's source article.

Oh by all means, post away. Even according to the source article itself, the so-called climate change sceptics, "argue that there are natural cycles, over which we have no control, that dictate how warm the planet is." In English, that means that they aren't really sceptical of climate change per se, they're sceptical of anthropogenic global warming.

K.

Here's Sanity directly quoting a guy who denies climate change:
http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=2846752

Here's variation30 denying global warming:
http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=2391064

That's 2 which is more than zero which is what you claimed.

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RE: More evidence that the climate change deniers are w... - 10/27/2009 2:27:55 PM

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: Kirata
Nobody denies climate change.

Shall I post links to some of the more recent posts on this forum? Perhaps this thread will stir your memory? Notice that this AP investigation directly debunks the claims made in that thread's source article.

Oh by all means, post away. Even according to the source article itself, the so-called climate change sceptics, "argue that there are natural cycles, over which we have no control, that dictate how warm the planet is." In English, that means that they aren't really sceptical of climate change per se, they're sceptical of anthropogenic global warming.

K.

Here's Sanity directly quoting a guy who denies climate change:
http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=2846752

Here's variation30 denying global warming:
http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=2391064

That's 2 which is more than zero which is what you claimed.

At it again, eh? The first quote doesnt deny climate change it disputes whether CO2 is in and of itself enough to cause climate change.

And variation30 committed the egregious error on this board of not being precise in his language by saying saying global warming without saying "manmade" which is how I read his post. If those are youre examples of "global warming deniers" youre just playing games as usual.

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RE: More evidence that the climate change deniers are w... - 10/27/2009 6:14:58 PM

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Kirata claimed nobody denies climate change. I presented two statements that do. Play semantic games and whine all you want it doesn't change those facts.

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RE: More evidence that the climate change deniers are w... - 10/27/2009 6:48:53 PM

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You are right.

Now that we are past your ego, was there something of substance in any of the OP? Climate change is occurring. Guess what? It happens all the time. Now show some proof of how much man is adding to it in comparison with how much is naturally occurring. Man is polluting the environment, but to what degree it has a global impact is what seems to be disputed.

Hell I am more upset about all the damn plastic floating in our water, the amount of pollutants in our water, and all the land that is contaminated so it cannot be used. Maybe mankind should go after the things we know for sure is causing pollution.

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Kirata claimed nobody denies climate change. I presented two statements that do. Play semantic games and whine all you want it doesn't change those facts.

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RE: More evidence that the climate change deniers are w... - 10/27/2009 7:04:15 PM

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WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA!!!!

Hold on here.

Evidence or not we should be conscience of the fact that it can indeed happen. Man made or natural it does not matter...

respect the damn planet.

I cannot recall the exact place I am paraphrasing this from but think of it this way.

Climate Change Does Happen vs. Climate Change Does Not Happen
Do Something About it vs.Do Nothing About it

Okay, so these are the properties of what could happen, and since we cannot predict the future....

so...

Climate Change Does happen and we do nothing about it = well, more room on the planet for other people, or no one. Death. Blah blah blah.....

Climate Change Does happen and we do something about it = YAY we are saved from our own stupidity.

Climate Change Does not happen and we do something about it = Well, we wasted alot of money but we did learn alot and have fresh new technology to expand our virus like tendrils into the kosmos.

Climate Change Does not happen and we do nothing about it = we were feeling lazy that century. nothing happened... except for people killing each other.

So in each of these scenarios what would I pick?

DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT AND STOP BICKERING ABOUT USELESS TRIVIAL WHAT COULD BE AND WOULD COULD NOT BE I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE LEFTY.

wha wha wha wha....

and so I do not have to come back to another thread about straw men, and posing evidence that could or could not be accurate look up Green Power Science on Youtube..... or anything on alternative energy.... ANYTHING.

You don't have to build a fancy solar panel (which is inefficient btw).

The things that can be done with CARDBOARD. With CARDBOARD. Solar ovens with cardboard that can boil water! Cardboard painted black and insulated are used as HEATERS!!!

The standard temperature that comes out of it is about 135 degrees and uses the 'heat rises' principle to passively heat air.

Ever hear of Earthships?

Anywhoos.....

Talk is cheap and I am doing things to benefit not only the planet but other people.

Have fun bickering. Better than television.

XC

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RE: More evidence that the climate change deniers are w... - 10/27/2009 7:36:29 PM

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Kirata claimed nobody denies climate change. I presented two statements that do. Play semantic games and whine all you want it doesn't change those facts.

Well actually, since I don't feel as generous as Orion, what you said was...

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Shall I post links to some of the more recent posts on this forum?

Not to repeat willbe, who is correct, I'll just add that the second link is from January, and clearly is not one of the "more recent" posts on this forum. So in my view, you failed on both counts.

But hey, let's not quibble. Did you have something to say about the topic?

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RE: More evidence that the climate change deniers are w... - 10/27/2009 8:02:39 PM

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The worlds climate has been changing since the beginning of time. It will always change. The only difference is, we now have con artists like Al Gore that are making millions while he is flying around on a private jet spouting his bull shit. You drive a yugo, I fly 1st class...Save the planet..

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RE: More evidence that the climate change deniers are w... - 10/27/2009 8:18:17 PM

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: Kirata
Nobody denies climate change.

Shall I post links to some of the more recent posts on this forum? Perhaps this thread will stir your memory? Notice that this AP investigation directly debunks the claims made in that thread's source article.

Oh by all means, post away. Even according to the source article itself, the so-called climate change sceptics, "argue that there are natural cycles, over which we have no control, that dictate how warm the planet is." In English, that means that they aren't really sceptical of climate change per se, they're sceptical of anthropogenic global warming.

K.

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RE: More evidence that the climate change deniers are w... - 10/27/2009 8:28:57 PM

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Fortunately i'll be dead before the stupidity of the arrogant deniers comes to it's cataclysmic conclusion...perhaps that is why some are so cavalier about global warming, it won't affect them in the long run so full steam ahead.

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