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RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen - 11/1/2009 11:26:12 PM   
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Reference the thought that the chap was not too wise for being unaware he could be seen, well, if he is anything like me, I am not awake until the hot brown liquid called coffee, is running down my throat, in the morning, the move to the coffee maker, is on autopilot, I am that unaware.

But as for people looking in windows of property that is not theirs, they have only themselves to blame if they see something they don't like, so the moral of the story is, don't look in the windows of private residences. The law, should recognise this fact, what is inside a property, is not outside. Curtains, blinds and the like, well, who here can honestly say they always close them, and do not open them until they are fully dressed and proper ?



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RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen - 11/1/2009 11:28:36 PM   
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Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!




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Kia, with that hairdo, get some curtains. No offense intended now, but if you make the kid run out in the street and get hit by a car how would you feel ?

T

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RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen - 11/2/2009 12:18:24 AM   
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Kia, you are just bad. In my hood there is going to be a pig roast, wanna come ? I am going to need some ideas for side dishes. And no, you will not become that unless you want to.

At any rate, they are going to arrest this guy for being naked in his own house ? What about me in my underwear with a gun standing in the middle of the street. It has been almost two decades since that happened, things may have changed, but I cleaned up the hood real good.

Don't get me started on that though, but I bet I looked pretty scary. Legs bare, fully loaded illegal shotgun n my hand. I guess if I was totally naked I would be subject to prosecution huh ?

T

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RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen - 11/2/2009 12:28:40 AM   
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Termy, I'm bad?

*image of BVD-clad & lethally-armed Termy standing mid-street stuck in head*

As long as you don't mind me 'borrowing' that image, as we fictionalist are wont to do . . . . .



Oh, oops, & ETA: Termy, yep, I'd go to that pig roast with ya . . . . .

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RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen - 11/2/2009 3:52:37 AM   
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During the day, especially if the kids are at school I am always nakied when home or in nothing but one of my owners t-shirts. Which honestly doesn't cover much. However, I do make it a point to keep my curtains closed. It is only private until someone else can see then it is public.

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RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen - 11/2/2009 4:21:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Reference the thought that the chap was not too wise for being unaware he could be seen, well, if he is anything like me, I am not awake until the hot brown liquid called coffee, is running down my throat, in the morning, the move to the coffee maker, is on autopilot, I am that unaware.

But as for people looking in windows of property that is not theirs, they have only themselves to blame if they see something they don't like, so the moral of the story is, don't look in the windows of private residences. The law, should recognise this fact, what is inside a property, is not outside. Curtains, blinds and the like, well, who here can honestly say they always close them, and do not open them until they are fully dressed and proper ?



I've got nothing to add to this except to say that I really love your new picture. It's a terrific photo. What a warm and interesting face you have.



Interesting, yeah, it is interesting when I try to navigate a straight razor around that lot, but thanks, I was quite surprised at that photo too, the photographer caught something I was not aware of. Oh, the photographer was .dark.  of the photographic duo Darcyandthedark with my DSLR, thus proving it is never the equipment, but the mind behind it.



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RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen - 11/2/2009 6:01:29 AM   
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But I do have to fight the urge to call the cops and file a complaint when i am over there and see her all nekkid!

But seriously, that's just ridiculous.  One time the woman next door happened to get an eyeful when I was running through the family room to the basement to get some clothes.  All she said was, "You might wanna check and make sure the curtains are closed unless you want to put on a show."  Then she winked and smiled. 

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During the day, especially if the kids are at school I am always nakied when home or in nothing but one of my owners t-shirts. Which honestly doesn't cover much. However, I do make it a point to keep my curtains closed. It is only private until someone else can see then it is public.

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RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen - 11/2/2009 6:18:39 AM   
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It is called political correctness.


I've seen pc blamed for a lot of things, but this takes the cake. The man was charged because the prosecutor believes that  he intentionally displayed his penis to this woman and a child. Not because he was naked in his kitchen. Because the prosecutor believes the guy saw the woman and the child from the kitchen then moved to another room to provide them with a full display of his cock. The man claims that is not what he did. If a jury believes the man, he's not guilty.

If they don't believe him, well, do you really object to laws punishing flashers? Because that's basically what this guy has been charged as. His alleged flashing was opportunistic, not planned, but the criminal aspect is the intentional, targeted, unwanted display of genetalia. It's a factual dispute, and the prosecutor obviously found the woman more credible than the man.

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RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen - 11/2/2009 6:24:37 AM   
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We have had some related charges in the area.

But there is more to each story.   The newspaper is pretty good at elaborating WHY the fine was given.   So both peeping tom, and lewd gestures have been fined.   As have ladies panties stolen from a clothes line, and downright stalking-  which is the most common.

This could be a case where neighbors do not get along.  Maybe they fought over parking- radios- or too much company.

Also the lay out of any property comes into play.

At the old place I did not bother much with drapes.  I was 2nd floor and sort of isolated.  I am more mindful on this place. 

I seen this story a while ago- and thought it was just a newspaper selling papers.....   which it could be that too. 

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RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen - 11/2/2009 6:28:54 AM   
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One point that I haven't seen addressed in this thread is that this occurred at 5:30 am. I know that may not matter from a legal standpoint but who expects someone to walk by the window or trudge through their property at that hour? Usually interior lights make it difficult to see if anyone is outside if it's not daylight yet. I'd be curious to know how much this woman and her child may have been able to see if they had not taken a shortcut through his property.

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RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen - 11/2/2009 6:29:58 AM   
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What I do in my own home - provided it isn't On The Books Illegal (like drug use) - is my own fucking business.  If you are on my property, deliberately looking in my window,  then several things are very clear. 
  1. You obviously have no respect for other peoples' property or privacy, therefore I owe you no respect in return. 
  2. You're a peeping tom, and in this state at least, that's still a prosecutable offence.  I would definately be pressing charges, if I hadn't already Shot You as a percieved threat/attempting home invasion. 
  3. My naked ass would hardly be the most threatening thing you'd see, when staring through my window - the S&W 1911 .45cal pistol or Taurus PT911 9mm pistol, which would be pointed at your Head, would easily be considered a much more dangerous situation than my hanging tits or the S.O.'s flapping penis.  (Model and caliber would depend on which of us got to our respective handgun first.)
  4.  You volunteered to see my flabby naked ass and have a .45 pointed at your head when you deliberately looked inside.  If you didn't want to be a nosey twat sticking their nose where it didn't belong, you wouldn't be seeing things that were potentially offencive to you. 
  5. You don't want your brat seeing it? Keep your brat on a short leash, and the fuck outta my yard.  I'll have the courtesy to do the same with my spawn.

Don't like those answers?  Too bad, so sad, whine about it to someone else, because I honestly don't give a fuck whether some invasive, self rightous, uptight, noseyass twat gets her panties in a twist because she was too stupid to stay the hell outta my business and outta my life.

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RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen - 11/2/2009 6:35:54 AM   
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I wonders though, when it comes to credibility between two parties, if the upper hand is automatically gained by the inclusion of a minor, as it does seem in a lot of cases, children come first, over and above adults.

The word child, is like racist, it is one of those words that hold power, the inclusion of which seems to stem any and all logical processes. If someone wants to justify their position, they can choose a power word to insert where appropriate, as it seems no one will challenge for fear of being seen as anti whatever.


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RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen - 11/2/2009 6:42:40 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: hizgeorgiapeach
Don't like those answers?  Too bad, so sad, whine about it to someone else, because I honestly don't give a fuck whether some invasive, self rightous, uptight, noseyass twat gets her panties in a twist because she was too stupid to stay the hell outta my business and outta my life.


Well, that was a melodramatic response with a lot of projected details. If there was a school bus stop in front of this guy's home and he liked to stand in a bay window naked and fondling himself in full view of the street while the kids were waiting for the bus, no one would be confused as to why he was charged. I'd like to think that most people would not be arguing "it's his house and he can do whatever he wants." He wasn't arrested for incidental nudity. The headline is misleading.

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RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen - 11/2/2009 6:45:08 AM   
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One point that I haven't seen addressed in this thread is that this occurred at 5:30 am. I know that may not matter from a legal standpoint but who expects someone to walk by the window or trudge through their property at that hour? Usually interior lights make it difficult to see if anyone is outside if it's not daylight yet.


This occurred to me too. It will matter legally as these are circumstances that support the man's claim that he didn't see the people and wasn't purposefully displaying his wang to them.

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RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen - 11/2/2009 6:53:16 AM   
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Somehow I think this guys dating life just picked up!!!  lol.  Woman will want to date him now.

I doubt there is a trial--  a fine- what could it be?  $100-$300?

maybe a neighbor will give the guy some old curtains.  men don't think about curtains- it is not high on the list in a mans world.

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RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen - 11/2/2009 6:59:26 AM   
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from the article  excerpt ->
"in order for it to be a crime, they have to prove - the state and police - have to prove that he knew those people were there when he was standing there."The statute requires an intentional display of your private parts. So if you are occasionally displaying them, accidentally displaying them, inadvertently displaying them it's not a crime."/snip

The window does have curtains.   There are plants in front of it too.   It is hard to say now-   but at least the law is properly written.

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RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen - 11/2/2009 7:00:12 AM   
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Again, it would not have been an issue if the lady had not been on his property. That is called trespassing whether or not the property is posted with lots of pretty signs. I have had many people arrested and hauled off while working security who swore that there had to be a sign for it to be posted. I even had one beligerant bastard arrested in front of his children. The cop explained to him as he put him in the car, "Signs or no signs, you knew that you didn't own this property and you were asked to leave."

Signs or no signs, these people cutting through his property are ALL trespassing.

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RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen - 11/2/2009 7:01:16 AM   
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Well, that was a melodramatic response with a lot of projected details. If there was a school bus stop in front of this guy's home and he liked to stand in a bay window naked and fondling himself in full view of the street while the kids were waiting for the bus, no one would be confused as to why he was charged. I'd like to think that most people would not be arguing "it's his house and he can do whatever he wants." He wasn't arrested for incidental nudity. The headline is misleading.



School Busses Don't Run at 530 In The Morning.  Someone deliberately coming onto his property - at an hour when they have NO Reasonable business being there - has got no right to complain.  It wasn't even DAYLIGHT Out at 530 in the morning.  What was the woman doing out walking around in other peoples' yards, looking in their windows- with her spawn - at that time of the day, rather than the spawn being at home, asleep in it's own bed, getting sufficient rest for school the next day? 
 
She deliberately went where she had no business being, and then got her panties in a knot over seeing something she didn't want to see where she shouldn't have been in the first place.
 
I have 8ft tall privacy fence up around my back yard.  Tall enough that No One can see over it unless they Deliberately do something to see over it, or come into the back yard itself uninvited.  I also have a Hot Tub in my back yard which frequently gets used naked after 9pm, when it's dark outside and there should be no small children wandering around my neighborhood - with or without their parents - and certainly not wandering around in my backyard, since I don't have any small children.  If someone around here allows their spawn to go around well after dark, and long before daylight, in other peoples' yards.... it's Not the fault of the person whose yard was gone into if they see soemthing that offends mommy and daddy.

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RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen - 11/2/2009 7:03:25 AM   
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I wonder where her cell phone vid of this is?

just sayn- anytime something happens - a cell vid pops up..... 

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RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen - 11/2/2009 7:56:40 AM   
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Yeah, I'm sorry Cali, you're right. It's not in that article. I just saw that.

I only know that because a local radio show here in the Twin Cities spent about 20 minutes banging away at this story last week, and they had a criminal defense attorney as a guest explaining the legalities of the issue. They went into quite a lot of detail, very  little of which was covered in the linked article. He explained that a prosecutor would be unlikely to file trespassing charges  because the property wasn't posted, and it was common for neighbors to use it as a shortcut. He also said that the prosecutor who charged the naked coffee drinker felt there was sufficient evidence that the man knowingly drew attention to himself at the start of the incident, but that it would probably be difficult to actually prove intent. He said that the prosecution would need to prove that the man knew he was being watched and deliberately made himself visible. Sounds like that'd be a tough one to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, but apparently the DA felt he had a good shot at it.



Like most here I am not a prude...against nudity...in fact I love to walk nude on my rural property but…if there were even a remote chance of being seen by children I would not do it.

Not because I think it will hurt them to see a nude body but it is necessary to teach children to be aware of sexual predators. Seeing a man or woman nude in a window or hiking in the woods could scare them because of what they have been taught. It is a shame this must be taught but our times are our times.

There have been many studies that state that exhibitionist without treatment can progress into more serious sexual deviant behavior.

Now this man may not be an exhibitionist but needs to understand to the mother he could be. If he is… this may spur him to treatment and if not he should apologize and tell the mother he will put up curtains and ask her not to cut across his property.

I will bet you this has been blown out of proportion by the local media or the man gave the police trouble when they came to talk with him. If he had just said he understood and would close the curtains it would not have reached this point. Pure speculation on my part but it sounds right.

In any case I understand both sides of this incident and hope the parties involved will too.

Butch


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