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RE: vote on europe!!! - 11/5/2009 4:08:34 PM   
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Just as you all forget the periods of stability under Thatcher, Brown was partly getting the benefit of economic plans started under the conservatives, and partly selling of the family silver, pun intended. I wont even get into the stealing from pension funds.

The thread is about the vote on the European constitution, promised to voters under the last Labour manifesto. You are smart enough to know this revised treaty is nothing more than the constitution under another name.

Camerons living in a dream if he thinks he can order the other nations to give us back any rights already lost. He wont fare any better than Brown, Blair was cute and jumped ship. I dont have much time for any of them.

It's news to me that there were any periods of stability under Thatcher. She managed to bribe the electorate with tax cuts by privatising public services, and that was about it.

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RE: vote on europe!!! - 11/5/2009 4:09:14 PM   
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do not refer to me as she


What the???


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RE: vote on europe!!! - 11/5/2009 4:10:36 PM   
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RE: vote on europe!!! - 11/5/2009 4:15:24 PM   
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It's news to me that there were any periods of stability under Thatcher. She managed to bribe the electorate with tax cuts by privatising public services, and that was about it.


You really think Brown has been any different ? Really ?

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RE: vote on europe!!! - 11/5/2009 4:17:17 PM   
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I admit to knowing little about this treaty. we werent told. we do know that countries objected and it was changed. it has just been signed by all. and we as Uk citizens have had no say


Sooooo............. Okay................you admit to knowing very little about the subject of your own thread?



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RE: vote on europe!!! - 11/6/2009 5:17:03 AM   
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It's news to me that there were any periods of stability under Thatcher. She managed to bribe the electorate with tax cuts by privatising public services, and that was about it.


You really think Brown has been any different ? Really ?

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I think Major's probably a better fit for Brown than Thatcher.

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RE: vote on europe!!! - 11/6/2009 7:03:21 AM   
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These people have no grounding in reality, even if the UK liked the man he then has to gain support from all the other nations he defied over Iraq. No chance. Also yes having him in such a position (short term) would be of benefit to the UK but now this role has been created not just for one commissioner but an infinite number after him which may or may not serve the best interests of the UK.

I perhaps wouldn't mind it some much if the position was elected. I think I'll hold to the party line that if Europe is growing then the mechanisms of Europe need updating to give every voter in Europe more of a say. Also there are areas where the EU should be working together and have one voice rather than going in different directions. Europe is perceived as a bit of a joke with this rotating presidency and that president not knowing how to distinguish the voice of Europe from the voice of his or her own state.


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RE: vote on europe!!! - 11/6/2009 7:08:38 AM   
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do not refer to me as she


What the???



LOL.  I am lost as well.  The profile says female.     

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RE: vote on europe!!! - 11/6/2009 7:11:24 AM   
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I think she means the Lisbon treaty.  Sounds like a mess.   A EU federal tax coming too.

It is hard to beleive people WANT that.


People mostly don't give a shit one way or the other. Myself, I'd much sooner lose sovereignity to Brussels than Washington: we get to elect MEPs but we don't have any say in which tit the minority of Americans who can be arsed to vote put in power, do we?


I had not thought of this.   That makes sense.

Believe me,  there are many in the US who do not want to dance for Washington OR Brussels.    Namely Washington.

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RE: vote on europe!!! - 11/6/2009 7:33:35 AM   
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do not refer to me as she

What the???

LOL. I am lost as well. The profile says female.

I guess she don't like being referred to in the third person so in future we should all ensure she in accommodated in her wishes.


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RE: vote on europe!!! - 11/6/2009 9:37:58 AM   
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RE: vote on europe!!! - 11/6/2009 10:01:14 AM   
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RE: vote on europe!!! - 11/6/2009 12:19:11 PM   
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RE: vote on europe!!! - 11/6/2009 12:25:45 PM   
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Oh and without Europe the US wouldnt exist
Now thats interesting....care to explain?

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RE: vote on europe!!! - 11/6/2009 12:30:03 PM   
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Oh and without Europe the US wouldnt exist
Now thats interesting....care to explain?



Many of the caucasians have their origin in Europe?

We voted against Europe overhere ( Netherlands)..so our Goverment changed the rules so we don't have to vote again.
Nice way to by-pass us..lol

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RE: vote on europe!!! - 11/6/2009 12:40:24 PM   
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Oh and without Europe the US wouldnt exist


I know a few Native Americans who would like to know why you talk about that as a bad thing.

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RE: vote on europe!!! - 11/6/2009 12:42:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		And many of the Asians have there origin in Asia....A majority of African Americans have their roots in Africa....and yet the statement about US existance still baffles me...Oh well what the fuck allow me to say thanks Europe...we are immeasurably grateful for our very existance.Back to your regularly scheduled broadcast.

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RE: vote on europe!!! - 11/6/2009 1:09:35 PM   
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We voted against Europe overhere ( Netherlands)..so our Goverment changed the rules so we don't have to vote again.
Nice way to by-pass us..lol

Both you and the Irish, our government didn't even trust us to say yes.

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RE: vote on europe!!! - 11/6/2009 1:11:14 PM   
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that is a way to see it also.
Wat ever we vote..they don't seem to care much

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RE: vote on europe!!! - 11/6/2009 1:45:36 PM   
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We voted against Europe overhere ( Netherlands)..so our Goverment changed the rules so we don't have to vote again.
Nice way to by-pass us..lol

Both you and the Irish, our government didn't even trust us to say yes.

I thought the Irish voted for it?

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