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Mercnbeth -> RE: An Increasingly Unstable Limbaugh Blames Obama for Ft. Hood Shootings (11/10/2009 9:42:12 AM)

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Do you guys who start and comment on the importance of Limbaugh realize how desperate and insecure an image you're projecting? This guy is as Ron represents, a "commentator". He's never been elected to anything. He is a disconnected radio voice you've given primary importance and equality to a Democratic President, and filibuster proof Congressional majority. They aren't getting anything done because of Rush??! Come on - you really believe he has that much power or is the party in power that weak? Of course there is a third option. The Democratic Party, having nothing to stop implementation of any program desired other than their own disorganized incompetence, isn't that weak. However its distinction to the Republican party now has become apparent - there isn't any distinction. A different set of special interest pay masters perhaps, but still they don't serve the citizens. Rush is a much easier rationalization to accept and point to as a reasoning to excuse the failure.

I'm almost intrigued by all the attention and note taking going on to listen - however, I prefer my news raw and form my opinions without editorialized slant. However - carry on - it's a damn interesting dynamic to observe.

And Ron, "clear failure incubated in the Bush administration."; - PRICELESS!



Kirata -> RE: An Increasingly Unstable Limbaugh Blames Obama for Ft. Hood Shootings (11/10/2009 9:51:12 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Brain

An Increasingly Unstable Limbaugh Blames Obama for Ft. Hood Shootings

Let's see... Rush says, "and by the way, playing the game the way the media and the Democrats do, we can almost say that this is Obama’s fault, because this guy said that he believed that Obama was going to get us out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Obama hasn’t done it, and that’s one of the reasons why the guy cracked."

And from that, we get: "According to Rush, it is Obama’s fault that a mentally unstable man shot 43 people last week."

Wow! I'm impressed. No shit. That's almost as good as this.

K.



mnottertail -> RE: An Increasingly Unstable Limbaugh Blames Obama for Ft. Hood Shootings (11/10/2009 9:52:32 AM)

I dunno, Merc, I pretty much really don't give a shit about anything regarding fools like Rush or their ilk, but I do like to argue with trite dogmas that are portrayed as learned.

Ron



SpinnerofTales -> RE: An Increasingly Unstable Limbaugh Blames Obama for Ft. Hood Shootings (11/10/2009 10:00:52 AM)

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Let's see... Rush says, "and by the way, playing the game the way the media and the Democrats do, we can almost say that this is Obama’s fault, because this guy said that he believed that Obama was going to get us out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Obama hasn’t done it, and that’s one of the reasons why the guy cracked."

And from that, we get: "According to Rush, it is Obama’s fault that a mentally unstable man shot 43 people last week."  ORIGINAL: Kirata




It is interesting indeed. Rush comments that a black quaterback is getting better treatment and an easy ride because he's black.....but that's a shot at the media. He comments that an NFL game looks like a gang war between the Bloods and the Crips and it's not a racially charged comment, just a comparison to NFL unruliness and gang violence in general. Now he makes this comment and he's not trying to throw out the accusation that Obama is responsible for this terrible act. He's just chiding the media and the democrats for their unfair tactics.

It does seem sad that poor, sensible Rush Limbaugh is so misunderstood.




slvemike4u -> RE: An Increasingly Unstable Limbaugh Blames Obama for Ft. Hood Shootings (11/10/2009 12:35:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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Do you guys who start and comment on the importance of Limbaugh realize how desperate and insecure an image you're projecting? This guy is as Ron represents, a "commentator". He's never been elected to anything. He is a disconnected radio voice you've given primary importance and equality to a Democratic President, and filibuster proof Congressional majority. They aren't getting anything done because of Rush??! Come on - you really believe he has that much power or is the party in power that weak? Of course there is a third option. The Democratic Party, having nothing to stop implementation of any program desired other than their own disorganized incompetence, isn't that weak. However its distinction to the Republican party now has become apparent - there isn't any distinction. A different set of special interest pay masters perhaps, but still they don't serve the citizens. Rush is a much easier rationalization to accept and point to as a reasoning to excuse the failure.

I'm almost intrigued by all the attention and note taking going on to listen - however, I prefer my news raw and form my opinions without editorialized slant. However - carry on - it's a damn interesting dynamic to observe.

And Ron, "clear failure incubated in the Bush administration."; - PRICELESS!
I'm not about to do a search for all threads involving or containing posts that mention Rush....so limitting myself to just this thread I come up empty.Not one post did anyone claim Rush was the reason for any policy inititiative...not one post where he is mentioned nor given any sort of equivalency to the President.One poster did compare in an off hand way Mr.Limbaugh's situatiion to that of a "Jewish Senator"but I don't see the equivalency there either...I see that as an act of deflection...a poor one to boot.
The only one who has brought this to the table here is you Merc...you have found one more thread and one more way to draw attention to "the failure"...and if I might say so it is a brilliant maneuver,some sleight of hand to rival the best three card monty practioners...
Please if you like extend the search beyond my narrow parremeters find me one non troll poster who has ever excused some action or non action of this administration by blaming Rush and/or the power of this blowhard commentator.



Termyn8or -> RE: An Increasingly Unstable Limbaugh Blames Obama for Ft. Hood Shootings (11/10/2009 12:45:36 PM)

""The way America treats people in the middle east, we can almost say it was America's fault that the World Trade Center was blown up""

I DO say that.

More later, after I read the rest of the thread. Oh, and the way she was dressed ? I don't buy that one. I don't care if she is the hottest thing on the planet and standing there stark naked. That does not give anyone the right to rape her. To me this is not apples and oranges, it is more like peanuts and the planet Mars. Totally different issues.

T



Termyn8or -> RE: An Increasingly Unstable Limbaugh Blames Obama for Ft. Hood Shootings (11/10/2009 1:23:13 PM)

OK, some of the big boys are in the ring now, I can see that. Argue on a point by point basis all you want, but I have a question.

Who did Limbaugh have to fuck to get that job ?

Seriously, why is it him on TV and radio and not me ? I could tell you why, but I just don't think it necessary. Ironically our buddy Rush probably has bipartisan support. Republicans might support him because they like some of the things he says. Democrats might support him because his spin is so obvious, and are almost characteristic of someone who is high or drunk. We already know that Rush has doctors who are legal drug pushers on speed dial. I mean if you look up "trustee of modern chemistry" there is probably a picture of Rush right there.

But then picking on his weight is still beneath us. We need not concern ourselves with what comes out of the front of his shirt, he provides plenty of ammunition by what comes out of his mouth.

Why can't both sides stop the spin and have a rational discussion ?

T



willbeurdaddy -> RE: An Increasingly Unstable Limbaugh Blames Obama for Ft. Hood Shootings (11/10/2009 1:24:19 PM)

IF Hasan was known to intelligence agencies to be a threat due to his contacts with al Qaeda and with Anwar al Awlaki
AND
IF intelligence failed to notify the Army and other agencies due to official policy
OR
IF the Army was notified and failed to act out of fear of retribution for "profiling" or other discrimination concerns
THEN
The attacks can certainly be laid at the feet of those who promote political correctness over safety, and in turn at the feet of the leader of the PC brigade.



Lucylastic -> RE: An Increasingly Unstable Limbaugh Blames Obama for Ft. Hood Shootings (11/10/2009 1:30:55 PM)

He looks much better than he has done for years, but he cant hide that ugly soul of his behind anything.




slvemike4u -> RE: An Increasingly Unstable Limbaugh Blames Obama for Ft. Hood Shootings (11/10/2009 1:50:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

He looks much better than he has done for years, but he cant hide that ugly soul of his behind anything.


Yeah Lucy,he has lost an incredible amount of wieght...and yet he's still a blowhard...but perhaps not a fat bastard ,oh well as my son used to say in response to most anything...."whatever".



OrionTheWolf -> RE: An Increasingly Unstable Limbaugh Blames Obama for Ft. Hood Shootings (11/10/2009 2:51:33 PM)

Is this a Rush quote?.... Because it read similar to what Rush said. Basically it appears that Rush said "if we were the other guys and used their reasoning, then .......", which is exactly what you just did Spinner.

Do I believe it is a passive/ aggressive way of attacking the President and the Dems? Of course it is, that is his job. He is an entertainer that his primary audience is hardcore anti-Democrats. If he made comments that didn't slam the President or the Dems, then he would lose listeners.

I am still unsure why so many people put so much emphasis on what a loud mouth, shock entertainer does.


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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales

So by your reasoning, someone who said "The way America treats people in the middle east, we can almost say it was America's fault that the World Trade Center was blown up" or on less political level, "The way that woman was dressed, we could almost say she was asking to be raped" and not be guilty of making a disgusting and untrue statement.




Raiikun -> RE: An Increasingly Unstable Limbaugh Blames Obama for Ft. Hood Shootings (11/10/2009 3:09:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales

The title of this thread seems more than a bit accurate. Rush was passing blame to Obama, the media and the democrats. He just did so in a way that showed he is a coward as well as a fool.



Actually it didn't look like he was blaming Obama.  Look at the part he highlighted again.

" by the way, playing the game the way the media and the Democrats do, we can almost say that this is Obama’s fault"
 
Breaking that down, he's saying "we can almost say....IF we're playing the game the way the media and the Democrats do."
 
It's an attack agains the media/democrats way of playing the game, not that Obama was at fault.  Now, you can disagree with his attack on the Democrats/media, but at least you'll be disagreeing with what he actually said.



Mercnbeth -> RE: An Increasingly Unstable Limbaugh Blames Obama for Ft. Hood Shootings (11/10/2009 3:09:40 PM)

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I'm not about to do a search for all threads involving or containing posts that mention Rush....so limiting myself to just this thread I come up empty.Not one post did anyone claim Rush was the reason for any policy inititiative...not one post where he is mentioned nor given any sort of equivalency to the President.
Not being a listener, let alone an ardent listener like you, Ron, and the other Rush fans, I'm just trying to put together why so many threads and comments have been directed to someone that, once started, generate more comments about his weight than anything else. Were there consistent neutral moderation the ten threads started in the last six months (really didn't take too long to do a search), would be immediately directed to the polls and other stupidity section. But since its Rush and since is mostly against the conservative and/or Republican side; I appreciate that it's perceived as legitimate political commentary.

The point wasn't directed to Rush being blamed for something its him being a topic at all. I didn't represent anyone giving credibility or accountably to Rush except you and those who deem him important enough to quote and discuss as if he had some power or ability to affect change as the President does and hasn't. Rush isn't the distraction, posting about him is. When you do your own search you'll discover, as I did, exactly who deems him to be an opinion meriting a discussion thread.



kittinSol -> RE: An Increasingly Unstable Limbaugh Blames Obama for Ft. Hood Shootings (11/10/2009 3:11:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

I am still unsure why so many people put so much emphasis on what a loud mouth, shock entertainer does.



I can only speak for myself, but it's not about 'putting emphasis' on what he does or says: it's about having fun, and it's especially about mocking the people that are stupid enough to listen to him and who take him seriously.

We get our entertainment where we can, and while I agree that laughing at a clown isn't the most mature form of amusement out there... the NFL just doesn't do it for me [:D] .

You know how Limbaugh enjoys demolishing Obama for the sake of it, because it pays well? Well, some of us enjoy demolishing Limbaugh for the sake of it, and because it's free.



mnottertail -> RE: An Increasingly Unstable Limbaugh Blames Obama for Ft. Hood Shootings (11/10/2009 3:12:05 PM)

UHHHHHHHHHHH, YOU MAY have the ass at me in your own right Merc, but you mean Mike there, not Ron........I am sure you want to give me hell for something I wrote, not what mike wrote.

LOL,

Ron



Moonhead -> RE: An Increasingly Unstable Limbaugh Blames Obama for Ft. Hood Shootings (11/10/2009 3:17:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Is this a Rush quote?.... Because it read similar to what Rush said. Basically it appears that Rush said "if we were the other guys and used their reasoning, then .......", which is exactly what you just did Spinner.

Do I believe it is a passive/ aggressive way of attacking the President and the Dems? Of course it is, that is his job. He is an entertainer that his primary audience is hardcore anti-Democrats. If he made comments that didn't slam the President or the Dems, then he would lose listeners.

I am still unsure why so many people put so much emphasis on what a loud mouth, shock entertainer does.

Something to do with him speaking for the Republican voter, perhaps? He's never been shy about stressing that part of his job description, after all. (I suppose it makes him sound less like a poor man's Howard Stern.)



Raiikun -> RE: An Increasingly Unstable Limbaugh Blames Obama for Ft. Hood Shootings (11/10/2009 3:20:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales


It is interesting indeed. Rush comments that a black quaterback is getting better treatment and an easy ride because he's black



In 2007, four years after Rush made his comments, McNabb told HBO’s Bryant Gumbel that, as a black quarterback, he felt pressured to live up to unreasonable expectations. “There’s not that many African-American quarterbacks, so we have to do a little bit extra,” McNabb said. “Because the percentage of us playing this position, which people didn’t want us to play . . . is low, so we do a little extra.”

McNabb’s analysis is flawed in one respect: Black quarterbacks face more pressure not because people don’t want them to play, but because people — primarily the sports media and the NFL — want a black QB to hurry up and make history by joining the pantheon of the greatest QBs of all time. One will, eventually, but, in the meantime, average-to-good black QBs face unrealistic pressures to be that guy. That says more about the media and the league than it does about the ability of blacks to be great quarterbacks, and Rush said so. Six years later, he’s still being punished for it.

— Stephen Spruiell

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It does seem sad that poor, sensible Rush Limbaugh is so misunderstood.


I dunno about "sensible" (I don't care for Rush myself, he's a blowhard), but it is pretty obvious people like to take things he says out of context to spin them as far worse than what he really said.



Mercnbeth -> RE: An Increasingly Unstable Limbaugh Blames Obama for Ft. Hood Shootings (11/10/2009 3:40:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
UHHHHHHHHHHH, YOU MAY have the ass at me in your own right Merc, but you mean Mike there, not Ron........I am sure you want to give me hell for something I wrote, not what mike wrote.
LOL,
Ron

[sm=doh.gif][Oh hell Ron, must have been that Royal 'we' [sm=donttaseme.gif] that confused me in the other thread!
[sm=imsorry.gif]


As penance, I'll submit to listening to Rush tomorrow so I can contribute to tomorrow's Ruch Limbaugh thread.

Hey Mike, or any of the members of the Rush Limbaugh monitoring club - which station and what time is he on in LA?



mnottertail -> RE: An Increasingly Unstable Limbaugh Blames Obama for Ft. Hood Shootings (11/10/2009 3:44:23 PM)

Merc,

LOL at least I didn't get the Willie Nelson punishment this time. (I knew it was the other thread you wanted to give me hell for right off)
LOL
Ron



kdsub -> RE: An Increasingly Unstable Limbaugh Blames Obama for Ft. Hood Shootings (11/10/2009 4:07:26 PM)

I am confused…I thought Limppa was for the US participation in Afghanistan and Iraq. If this is so… how can he call the President almost at fault for doing exactly what he is supporting? That is like saying he is at fault too.

Butch



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