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RE: An Increasingly Unstable Limbaugh Blames Obama for ... - 11/10/2009 7:39:33 PM   
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You are almost correct. Until the people stop supporting any political party that uses this kind of tactic. The problem is that each side feels justified in using it against the "enemy", just like it has always been used. The problem is that most of you, including you Spinner, do not realize that all of the politicians are pretty much the enemy, and supporting Rush or supporting the Dems unanimously, is collaborating with the enemy.
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You are vastly mistaken, Orion. I know very well that politicians are almost uniformly the enemy. The level of leadership we have allowed to take control on both sides is shameful without question. One of the reasons I voted for Obama in the first place was that he spoke of changing the way things were done. One of my greatest disappointments is that he has not seemed to do so.

I have said it before and will say it again. Until we find a way to remake our government almost completely, the whole process is as important as a football game. I still await the answers to the systemic problems that have made things as they are.


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RE: An Increasingly Unstable Limbaugh Blames Obama for ... - 11/10/2009 9:01:59 PM   
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I am confused…I thought Limppa was for the US participation in Afghanistan and Iraq. If this is so… how can he call the President almost at fault for doing exactly what he is supporting? That is like saying he is at fault too.

Butch




So, if Bush invades Afghanistan, this is good, but if Obama wants to finish the mission there by increasing troop levels, that is bad.




Wrong again. He rails against Obama taking his sweet time deciding what to do. RL wants the people who actually know what they are doing determine troop levels.

That is of course not true. When GWB ignored the Army Chief of Staff saying invading Iraq would require more men than Rummy wanted to commit Rush did not condemn GWB.

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RE: An Increasingly Unstable Limbaugh Blames Obama for ... - 11/10/2009 11:46:10 PM   
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UHHHHHHHHHHH, YOU MAY have the ass at me in your own right Merc, but you mean Mike there, not Ron........I am sure you want to give me hell for something I wrote, not what mike wrote.
LOL,
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[Oh hell Ron, must have been that Royal 'we' that confused me in the other thread!


As penance, I'll submit to listening to Rush tomorrow so I can contribute to tomorrow's Ruch Limbaugh thread.

Hey Mike, or any of the members of the Rush Limbaugh monitoring club - which station and what time is he on in LA?
Merc,whether you believe me or not...I couldn't tell you what station nor what time the blowhard is on in New York...I don't listen nor monitor....when he makes outrageous statements I read about them after the fact.....there are only so many hours in the day and I'll be dammmed if I spent any significant time listening to that blowhard.Perhaps someone else can help you out.

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RE: An Increasingly Unstable Limbaugh Blames Obama for ... - 11/10/2009 11:51:38 PM   
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I am confused…I thought Limppa was for the US participation in Afghanistan and Iraq. If this is so… how can he call the President almost at fault for doing exactly what he is supporting? That is like saying he is at fault too.

Butch



Yes, you are confused. Rush's statement was about Hasan's belief that we shouldnt be in Afghanistan and Iraq, not his own opinion. Then, since Hasan thinks we should be out, Obama promised we would be out, we arent out, therfore BO is "almost at fault". (I dont agree with that leap. There are possibly more concrete ways to lay it at BOs feet).
Interesting that you never chose to say factual way to lay it at "BOs feet"....basically all your interested in is something with a little more meat on the bones heh willbeur.Does concrete hold a moral equivalency to factual...or is it more of a less tenuous link your looking for ,not so important on whether its true or not...just as long as the shit sticks?

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RE: An Increasingly Unstable Limbaugh Blames Obama for ... - 11/11/2009 4:25:02 AM   
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My only question about Rush and anything he has to say.....Who cares?....if you aren't a true believer in the gospel according to Rush how could you tolerate him at all?..I have listened but then again I have drank myself in to a stupor and felt horrible afterward....I learned from both....it's not a great way to spend your time....


edit because sometimes I simply cannot type.....

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RE: An Increasingly Unstable Limbaugh Blames Obama for ... - 11/11/2009 4:25:22 AM   
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An Increasingly Unstable Limbaugh Blames Obama for Ft. Hood Shootings

Let's see... Rush says, "and by the way, playing the game the way the media and the Democrats do, we can almost say that this is Obama’s fault, because this guy said that he believed that Obama was going to get us out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Obama hasn’t done it, and that’s one of the reasons why the guy cracked."

And from that, we get: "According to Rush, it is Obama’s fault that a mentally unstable man shot 43 people last week."

Wow! I'm impressed. No shit. That's almost as good as this.

K.



Yea I tried that logic also, seems people are too busy slamming Rush to bother with pesky things like what was actually said.


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RE: An Increasingly Unstable Limbaugh Blames Obama for ... - 11/11/2009 4:27:41 AM   
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People are responsible for their own actions. Nobody pulled the trigger but the shooter.

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RE: An Increasingly Unstable Limbaugh Blames Obama for ... - 11/11/2009 4:29:18 AM   
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People are responsible for their own actions. Nobody pulled the trigger but the shooter.



Damnit lushy, there you go making sense again!....now cut that out!

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RE: An Increasingly Unstable Limbaugh Blames Obama for ... - 11/11/2009 4:31:18 AM   
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I am confused…I thought Limppa was for the US participation in Afghanistan and Iraq. If this is so… how can he call the President almost at fault for doing exactly what he is supporting? That is like saying he is at fault too.

Butch



I highlighted the quote and others have come along and explained it also. Maybe you should just go back and reread it.


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RE: An Increasingly Unstable Limbaugh Blames Obama for ... - 11/11/2009 4:33:04 AM   
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RE: An Increasingly Unstable Limbaugh Blames Obama for ... - 11/11/2009 5:22:17 AM   
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Wait a second. Wasn't it supposed to be Bill O'Reilly's fault when someone killed George Tiller?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/05/AR2009060503023.html

And didn't the Clinton administration blame Rush Limbaugh himself for the Oklahoma City bombing?


http://www.google.com/search?q=The+Clinton+Administration+Blames+Rush+for+the+Oklahoma+City+Bombing&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

See, I believe you're missing the point...


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People are responsible for their own actions. Nobody pulled the trigger but the shooter.



Damnit lushy, there you go making sense again!....now cut that out!


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RE: An Increasingly Unstable Limbaugh Blames Obama for ... - 11/11/2009 6:10:01 AM   
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I didn't check out all your links, Sanity.  The one you posted about the Clinton Administration was from a Mozilla search engine and when I clicked the link with my IE version, I found this......

IN THE weeks since the Oklahoma bombing, a myth has been sedulously cultivated by both Democratic politicians and the liberal media (insofar as any distinction divides the two). It is that this mass murder was the consequence of recent conservative politics: that the main suspect, Timothy McVeigh, was an active member of a far-right violent militia, linked to other militias in a nationwide conspiracy, inspired by the anti-government rhetoric of Republican politicians like Newt Gingrich, conservative leaders like William Bennett, and talk-radio performers like Rush Limbaugh. Thus, Michael Lind in the Washington Post theorized that conservative leaders such as Mr. Bennett, William F. Buckley Jr., and Dan Quayle "had helped to legitimate the world-view of the Oklahoma bombers" by, among other things, "promulgating the inflammatory myth of an anti-religious, anti-family, tax-devouring government, guilty of mass murder on a scale that dwarfs that of Hitler and Stalin," and "feebly condemning anti-abortion zealots," including those guilty of murder. Curiously, Mr. Lind was an affable member of the conservative movement for most of this period. Did he simply not notice that his friends and colleagues were legitimating mass murder? Or did he think it good clean fun at the time? For the record, NATIONAL REVIEW has called for the murderers of abortionists to receive the death penalty.
There was a less inflammatory version of the same theory from Jonathan Alter (ironically, Newsweek's media watchdog): "From what we already know of the Oklahoma City crime, it's clear that the bombers took mainstream conservative ideas -- resistance to gun control, the United Nations, and a powerful federal government -- and made them extreme-right views." Well, it is possible that these claims will turn out to be well founded as the case progresses, but as yet we "know" nothing of the sort. What little evidence we have of McVeigh's opinions comes from two letters ("anti-government," according to Newsweek) to an upstate New York newspaper. One of these letters -- a strong attack on cruel methods of factory farming and animal slaughter -- might have been written by a member of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. It makes no mention of government. The other, a confused ramble through several ideologies, is best categorized as a populist outburst from the angry center, with laments for the economic loss of the American dream and the threat of Japanese imports that come direct from Bill Clinton (circa 1992) and Dick Gephardt (passim). As for the suggestion that McVeigh was acting for the wider militia movement, all we have is a report that he went to, but was turned away from, one meeting of one militia. You would hardly hang a dog on such evidence, let alone a battalion of weekend soldiers in Camp Fantasy. To be sure, some members and some militia groups seem genuinely sinister. McVeigh may have been acting with or for them; let the evidence, not partisan hunches, determine that. As Alan Bock points out in this issue, however, some militia groups are little more than recreational gun clubs with false hair on the chest. If they deserve anything, it is the cure of mockery.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_n10_v47/ai_16936563/ 
 
From the way I'm understanding this article.  McVeigh hated the gov't and seemed to be intent on listening to the right.  Not sure where the Clintons blamed him.  Unless you want to post a link that says that more particularly.

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RE: An Increasingly Unstable Limbaugh Blames Obama for ... - 11/11/2009 6:11:26 AM   
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See, I believe you're missing the point...


And just what is the point? Is your point that because some said that Bill O'Reilley encouraged some lunatic to kill a doctor that it's ok to blame Obama for Hassn's killings? Could your point be that some conservatives think Clinton blamed Rush and the ultra right wing for Timothy's McVeigh's insane actions (I looked through your links....long on accusations, short on actual quotes) that it's fine to use a national tradgedy to progress an anti-Obama agenda that borders on the obsessive? Or is your point, as always, that it's ok for the right wing and it's pundits to sink to any depths because either "the left started it" or "the liberals are worse".

Please, let us in on the point we are missing.

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RE: An Increasingly Unstable Limbaugh Blames Obama for ... - 11/11/2009 6:48:18 AM   
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Wait a second. Wasn't it supposed to be Bill O'Reilly's fault when someone killed George Tiller?



And of course, there is absolutely nothing inflammatory here either:

O'Reilly: 'We Can't Kill All The Muslims' -- So We Want To Win Hearts And Minds Instead

Bill O'Reilly declared last night that the United States "can't kill all the Muslims" -- so will have to settle simply for winning hearts and minds.

Talking to Fox News contributor Col. Ralph Peters, O'Reilly called the deadly shootings at Fort Hood last week by suspected shooter Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan "an act of terror."

He then turned to President Obama's supposed avoidance of labeling the attack as such.

Barack Obama wants to win hearts and minds in the Middle East, in the Muslim world, which is a good thing and you know that. As a soldier, we can't kill all the Muslims. So we wanna win as many hearts and minds of good moderate Muslims as we can. So he goes out of his way, you're absolutely right, Colonel, he goes out of his way, to avoid the "Muslim terrorist" label, which clearly applies to Hasan.


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RE: An Increasingly Unstable Limbaugh Blames Obama for ... - 11/11/2009 8:30:48 AM   
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And because Hasan was Muslim, he must be a terrorist. 

It's going to take awhile for all facts to come out, a la Columbine.  I'll lay bets down right now that this was no conspiracy.

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RE: An Increasingly Unstable Limbaugh Blames Obama for ... - 11/11/2009 8:37:39 AM   
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The fact that anyone is using this tragedy to promote their own political agenda or opinions absolutely sickens Me.

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RE: An Increasingly Unstable Limbaugh Blames Obama for ... - 11/11/2009 8:38:38 AM   
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I'm with you, thornhappy. 

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RE: An Increasingly Unstable Limbaugh Blames Obama for ... - 11/11/2009 9:30:58 AM   
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Wrong again. He rails against Obama taking his sweet time deciding what to do. RL wants the people who actually know what they are doing determine troop levels.

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Gee...how awful it is that faced with a complex and difficult decision, to take time to think about it, gather information and make an informed decision. Some of the presidents we had would never do such an awful thing, would they?



If he actually had some basis to question McChrystal you might have a point. He doesnt, you dont.

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RE: An Increasingly Unstable Limbaugh Blames Obama for ... - 11/11/2009 9:34:31 AM   
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I am confused…I thought Limppa was for the US participation in Afghanistan and Iraq. If this is so… how can he call the President almost at fault for doing exactly what he is supporting? That is like saying he is at fault too.

Butch



Yes, you are confused. Rush's statement was about Hasan's belief that we shouldnt be in Afghanistan and Iraq, not his own opinion. Then, since Hasan thinks we should be out, Obama promised we would be out, we arent out, therfore BO is "almost at fault". (I dont agree with that leap. There are possibly more concrete ways to lay it at BOs feet).
Interesting that you never chose to say factual way to lay it at "BOs feet"....basically all your interested in is something with a little more meat on the bones heh willbeur.Does concrete hold a moral equivalency to factual...or is it more of a less tenuous link your looking for ,not so important on whether its true or not...just as long as the shit sticks?


Please restate in English.

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RE: An Increasingly Unstable Limbaugh Blames Obama for ... - 11/11/2009 9:34:41 AM   
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Wrong again. He rails against Obama taking his sweet time deciding what to do. RL wants the people who actually know what they are doing determine troop levels.

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy



Gee...how awful it is that faced with a complex and difficult decision, to take time to think about it, gather information and make an informed decision. Some of the presidents we had would never do such an awful thing, would they?



If he actually had some basis to question McChrystal you might have a point. He doesnt, you dont.



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