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sappatoti -> RE: Is now the time to ban pro Dommes from Collarme or should we just live and let live (11/16/2009 12:29:56 PM)
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ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery
... As for Women who are struggling financially I sympathise, but again that is what social security is for , for those without jobs, i know it wont go nearly far enough, im aware of that but Dommes should be aware that subbies are struggling in the current recession also and that if he/she gives to Him/Her he will most likely go without at Her expense. ...
Kevin, you write as if it is a natural-born right of a submissive to receive domination from a Dom. It is not a right. At best, it is a privilege. Are you honestly saying that a submissive will die if he or she does not receive domination?
Simply put, if a submissive does not have the ability to pay for services, they simply do not look for the pay-for-play. The Dominant is not the one in control of the transaction. The submissive is. End of story.
If a submissive cannot control themselves from looking at pay services when they cannot afford them, they have a real addiction and problem. They need to be counseled. This is no different than one who is addicted to drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, gambling, etc.
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ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery
The Dublin Femdom's argument in a nutshell is this , nobody goes into this lifestyle to be exploited and Women or Men should not exploit submissive individuals or try to seduce them into becoming financial slaves by saying that they will feel much better if they submit and their only purpose is to serve the Dominant Lady/Dominant Man in question, particularly at a time of hardship for all. ...
Some will say that exploitation is a mutually negotiated and arrived at kink. If both parties agree to the exploitation, however it may be played, then it really not need to be a concern for anyone else.
The point that has been made many times in this thread, let alone elsewhere, and yet you keep ignoring is... there is no exploitation if a sub doesn't first send the money to the Dominant. Period. The Dominant cannot physically torture a sub into doing so through the internet, a mail message, a message sent by post, a printed advertisement, a radio or TV ad, or a telephone call. The technology to do so does not exist. There will be no whip, paddle, cuffs, or even gun that will magically pop out of the communication medium pointed at a submissive, threatening them with injury if they don't pay up.
Again, the submissive is the one in control here. Just because an ad is created with images and words that call for exploitation does not automatically mean that every submissive, weak-minded or not, will come under its charms and send in payments. That's ludicrous to think that it does. In my opinion, any submissive who automatically falls for this kind of nonsense is the one to be blamed, as they have a definite addiction and serious mental problem. They need help and counseling. The Dominant who places the ad cannot nor should not be blamed for the actions of the submissive at this point.
This is basic common sense, everyday life stuff Kevin. The same rules of engagement that take place when deciding to drink, smoke, gamble, or whatever apply to seeking out services of a Dom. The bottom line is, if the submissive cannot afford the pay-for-play, they need to move on until they find a Dominant who will play-for-no-charge.
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