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zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Is now the time to ban pro Dommes from Collarme or should we just live and let live (11/18/2009 4:05:39 AM)

Kevin....sweetie....it's really time for you to get a life. Your threads are getting progressively more and more ridiculous. Seriously, if you don't like Pro Dommes just stay away from them. It really IS that simple.....oh and if you want us to take you seriously on this subject, stop adding Pro Dommes as friends.




stella41b -> RE: Is now the time to ban pro Dommes from Collarme or should we just live and let live (11/18/2009 4:38:56 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery

I find it so funny you say all this get a job, blah blah and in the same breath in another post you justify Pro Dommes existence with saying that oh well you know its very very hard to get jobs now, people have to pay bills, blah blah blah, did it ever strike you that you are contradicting yourself, did it ever strike you that subbies have to pay bills and yes it is damn hard to get work now, I should know, and no im not lazy, im just pissed off with people who moan about the economy and then in the same breadth fire workers, any dumb ass would know that if you fire workers you reduce tax for the Government and hence there is less of a fund, what we need is more employment and less dismissals, the more people that there are employed the less we have to concern ourselves with falling tax takes and the more productive our economy will be. But of course no one sees this.  And getting back to your earlier point, i have no problem with Dommes making a profit but im sorry $200 to see a pro Domme as some Dommes charge is way over the top. If they want to know why they are not getting clients , they should drag their price down to maybe $50 then they will get more clients. But they wont do that because they live in a different universe to the rest of us.  Look at it this way $50 multiplied by 6 clients per day is $300 a day  multiplied by 5 or 6 is $1800 a week take away tax and thats $1000 a week, $50,000 a year dont tell me that a Domme would be in financial difficulty on that kind of money and hey its a hell of a lot more than those on social security
Kevin



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purepleasure -> RE: Is now the time to ban pro Dommes from Collarme or should we just live and let live (11/18/2009 4:51:28 AM)

kevin, have you ever considered being a handyman/janitor for any pro-dungeons in your area? it would be win-win for you.




vincentML -> RE: Is now the time to ban pro Dommes from Collarme or should we just live and let live (11/18/2009 5:06:19 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery

I find it so funny you say all this get a job, blah blah and in the same breath in another post you justify Pro Dommes existence with saying that oh well you know its very very hard to get jobs now, people have to pay bills, blah blah blah, did it ever strike you that you are contradicting yourself, did it ever strike you that subbies have to pay bills and yes it is damn hard to get work now, I should know, and no im not lazy, im just pissed off with people who moan about the economy and then in the same breadth fire workers, any dumb ass would know that if you fire workers you reduce tax for the Government and hence there is less of a fund, what we need is more employment and less dismissals, the more people that there are employed the less we have to concern ourselves with falling tax takes and the more productive our economy will be. But of course no one sees this.  And getting back to your earlier point, i have no problem with Dommes making a profit but im sorry $200 to see a pro Domme as some Dommes charge is way over the top. If they want to know why they are not getting clients , they should drag their price down to maybe $50 then they will get more clients. But they wont do that because they live in a different universe to the rest of us.  Look at it this way $50 multiplied by 6 clients per day is $300 a day  multiplied by 5 or 6 is $1800 a week take away tax and thats $1000 a week, $50,000 a year dont tell me that a Domme would be in financial difficulty on that kind of money and hey its a hell of a lot more than those on social security
Kevin



How do you know charging $200 for an hour is way over the top if, as you claim, you have never experienced the service? Hmmmm? What are the qualifications for your expertise in this matter?

$50 per hour per client is so fall down funny. Where the fuk did you find that number? I bet you drew it out of your arse. Sure, my dentist would get many more clients if he charged only $50 per implant instead of the $1650 he now charges. But that would make no sense in the light of the economics of his office necessities unless he were set up on a street corner somewhere.

And six clients per day for a prodomme? How funny. Maybe if she had a booth on a street corner and snaged blokes as they walked by. There are days when no one calls, or those who have called do not show up. Six per week might be a more accurate figure, and even that is a stretch.

First you did not know the difference between a Prodomme and a Findomme. Now you show you have no idea of the economics involved in the Prodomme business and the financial necessities of it all - of the equipment, space rental, costumes - all of which was discussed here before.

It amazes me that you continue to express your monumental ignorance of the topic about which you write. It is an ignorance mounted upon arrogance. If not that, it is just that you are typing with one hand and getting thrills by provoking responses. In either case, responding to you any further is just a waste of time, so I am out of here with the lasting conviction that you are either a fraud or an idiot.

You need not bother to reply. I will not be here to read more of your ignorant and uninformed ramblings.




sirsholly -> RE: Is now the time to ban pro Dommes from Collarme or should we just live and let live (11/18/2009 5:10:59 AM)

quote:

$200 to see a pro Domme as some Dommes charge is way over the top. If they want to know why they are not getting clients , they should drag their price down to maybe $50 then they will get more clients. But they wont do that because they live in a different universe to the rest of us. Look at it this way $50 multiplied by 6 clients per day is $300 a day multiplied by 5 or 6 is $1800 a week take away tax and thats $1000 a week, $50,000 a year dont tell me that a Domme would be in financial difficulty on that kind of money and hey its a hell of a lot more than those on social security
six clients a day?[8|]

Kevin...you have no right to dictate what anyone charges for their services!!

If you think the cost is too high, either increase your income by getting a job or ignore it.




BoiJen -> RE: Is now the time to ban pro Dommes from Collarme or should we just live and let live (11/18/2009 5:33:42 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery

I find it so funny you say all this get a job, blah blah and in the same breath in another post you justify Pro Dommes existence with saying that oh well you know its very very hard to get jobs now, people have to pay bills, blah blah blah, did it ever strike you that you are contradicting yourself, did it ever strike you that subbies have to pay bills and yes it is damn hard to get work now, I should know, and no im not lazy, im just pissed off with people who moan about the economy and then in the same breadth fire workers, any dumb ass would know that if you fire workers you reduce tax for the Government and hence there is less of a fund, what we need is more employment and less dismissals, the more people that there are employed the less we have to concern ourselves with falling tax takes and the more productive our economy will be. But of course no one sees this.  And getting back to your earlier point, i have no problem with Dommes making a profit but im sorry $200 to see a pro Domme as some Dommes charge is way over the top. If they want to know why they are not getting clients , they should drag their price down to maybe $50 then they will get more clients. But they wont do that because they live in a different universe to the rest of us.  Look at it this way $50 multiplied by 6 clients per day is $300 a day  multiplied by 5 or 6 is $1800 a week take away tax and thats $1000 a week, $50,000 a year dont tell me that a Domme would be in financial difficulty on that kind of money and hey its a hell of a lot more than those on social security
Kevin



Nowhere in my post did I say that "Oh these poor ProDommes, they can't find work else where so they started their own business until they get real jobs." In fact, no where in my post did I refer to why they have their jobs.

However, you have taken it upon yourself that not only should ProDommes basically give their services away for practically "free" ($50/hr...seriously? you need to understand that there will be no shows no matter what the price). $50/hr wouldn't cover the satellite radio that give you the non-repeat yet oh so need ambiance that you want or the electric it costs to open up the dungeon in the morning. Let's not get into the cost of clothes, furniture, toys, scheduling, experience. What you're looking for at $50/hr is a low cost specialized escort. Not a ProDomme. For some reason you're delusional to the point of not understanding that no matter what the price, practically no ProDomme is going to get 6 clients a day. Cuz you little punks are unreliable and like to cancel the day of or simply not show up.

Let ME break it down for you...even if a ProDommes got 12 calls a day from potential clients 4 of them will only actually schedule the rest are looking for what they think will be free phone sex. 2 of those 4 won't bother to confirm and the other two (4 out of 5 times) will cancel before the session because they chicken out. What you're looking at is 1 out of 70 phone calls from potential clients turns into an actual paying client. That's a lot of wasted time and energy. Even at $50 this would still happen because what ProDommes deal with is taboo and is not ever going to be instant gratification (like a strip club). It requires scheduling which means idiots call, schedule, and back out.

I'll sum this up with the reason ProDommes don't have clients lining up around their doors is not because of price, it's because of the reality of what they do is never going to add up to the fantasy of the potential client, which is what drives these men to cancel...the knowledge or fear that it won't actually be the fantasy they want.

And I don't know about other Pros but the one I serve, I distinctly remember adding in Her session tribute and getting that little bit taxed like hell with self-employment tax and an additional tax for having a second job (cuz She has a "real" job too)...this is what I get for being Her tax preparer as well.

I'll sum this up with this: Sessions start at $250/hr here in the US from real ProDommes. The others are often scammers or a little less than educated in what they practice. Sessions my top $1000/hr if you're dealing with a well known Pro or multiple person sessions. Anything less is bending over and taking it in the ass for the client...which isn't how it's supposed to work in case you didn't get that point.

Now go get a job or make one for yourself. If a 23 year old can do it, so can you.

boi




lobodomslavery -> RE: Is now the time to ban pro Dommes from Collarme or should we just live and let live (11/18/2009 6:06:59 AM)

Well boi jen , there is a recession on, $50 per hour is I would suggest bloody good money for a pleasure service in the current climate. But then Im not a Domme so Im totally wrong as always
Kevin




lobodomslavery -> RE: Is now the time to ban pro Dommes from Collarme or should we just live and let live (11/18/2009 6:09:39 AM)

The idea that you compare Pro Domming to dentistry is laughable. If a dentist pulled down his price he would still get much the same clients because people do not like going to dentists. On the other hand people like Female company or Male company, that is the company of the opposite sex. You know opposites attract. If a dentist charged less I would not go to him more often than I need to ie once every six months simply because I dont find going to the dentist anyway pleasurable but like i say going to see a beautiful is different and I would if it was affordable
Kevin




sirsholly -> RE: Is now the time to ban pro Dommes from Collarme or should we just live and let live (11/18/2009 6:10:20 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery

Well boi jen , there is a recession on, $50 per hour is I would suggest bloody good money for a pleasure service in the current climate. But then Im not a Domme so Im totally wrong as always
Kevin

then consider yourself shit-outta-luck.




BoiJen -> RE: Is now the time to ban pro Dommes from Collarme or should we just live and let live (11/18/2009 6:27:07 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery

Well boi jen , there is a recession on, $50 per hour is I would suggest bloody good money for a pleasure service in the current climate. But then Im not a Domme so Im totally wrong as always
Kevin



This what I get for discussing a specific business and the economics of running it with someone who is motivated as a consumer rather than as a proprietor.

Good luck in finding a ProDomme worth Her salt at $50/hr.

boi




lobodomslavery -> RE: Is now the time to ban pro Dommes from Collarme or should we just live and let live (11/18/2009 6:53:48 AM)

Again you miss the point, Im not looking for a Pro Domme, Im merely backing up the Femdom's argument that Pro Dommes are too expensive and many people have not got into the lifestyle to be used as ATMs as for economics dont get me started, it would make economic sense to provide a service for a rate that is comfortable for most people who are interested in kink ie $50 , it is obvious that You will get more clientele for this rate than you will for a rate of $250, as for no shows , there are always ways, $30 non refundable deposit, so ok a Pro Domme might have ten no shows and one client but they would still come out with $350 at the end of the day not bad really when you think about it. If the deposit is not paid, they should get an ordinary job like everyone else, work in an office nine to five that will pull in a few hundred , after all if a subbie can get a job so can Dommes and there are jobs out there as you keep telling me so why does not the Domme do the same as the sub and work in an office for a bit of the day if she is not making ends meet. Like i say there are always ways but it seems to me that a lot of Pro Dommes are out to make money fast and big at the expense of someone else. Well im sorry if i dont agree with that
Kevin




lobodomslavery -> RE: Is now the time to ban pro Dommes from Collarme or should we just live and let live (11/18/2009 7:01:28 AM)

Well ok $180 after tax but still not bad and with the option of working part time to supplement their income. My net point: the lower the charge, the more clients they are likely to get, the higher the charge the less clients
Seems simple to me
Kevin




BoiJen -> RE: Is now the time to ban pro Dommes from Collarme or should we just live and let live (11/18/2009 7:03:59 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery

Again you miss the point, Im not looking for a Pro Domme, Im merely backing up the Femdom's argument that Pro Dommes are too expensive and many people have not got into the lifestyle to be used as ATMs as for economics dont get me started, it would make economic sense to provide a service for a rate that is comfortable for most people who are interested in kink ie $50 , it is obvious that You will get more clientele for this rate than you will for a rate of $250, as for no shows , there are always ways, $30 non refundable deposit, so ok a Pro Domme might have ten no shows and one client but they would still come out with $350 at the end of the day not bad really when you think about it. If the deposit is not paid, they should get an ordinary job like everyone else, work in an office nine to five that will pull in a few hundred , after all if a subbie can get a job so can Dommes and there are jobs out there as you keep telling me so why does not the Domme do the same as the sub and work in an office for a bit of the day if she is not making ends meet. Like i say there are always ways but it seems to me that a lot of Pro Dommes are out to make money fast and big at the expense of someone else. Well im sorry if i dont agree with that
Kevin



Ok now your imaginary supporter has gone from saying "ban the ProDommes they're all evil and they suck!" to "Well, they'd be ok if they didn't charge so much..." Sounds to me that you still don't get that your imaginary friend doesn't count as support.

And you didn't pay attention to that money isn't why people cancel or don't show. So no matter what a Pro charges, there will always be no shows and cancellations. So if that's the case then they get to charge as they please. Currently, $250 is the going rate for the Woman who is skilled enough to put 25lbs of weights on testicles without ripping them off. I think that's fair.

Here's my question Kevin, are you this cheap with Women you date or does it only apply to Women you want to use to get off and then leave?

boi




sirsholly -> RE: Is now the time to ban pro Dommes from Collarme or should we just live and let live (11/18/2009 7:04:10 AM)

quote:

they should get an ordinary job like everyone else, work in an office nine to five that will pull in a few hundred , after all if a subbie can get a job so can Dommes and there are jobs out there as you keep telling me so why does not the Domme do the same as the sub and work in an office for a bit of the day if she is not making ends meet. Like i say there are always ways but it seems to me that a lot of Pro Dommes are out to make money fast and big at the expense of someone else


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BoiJen -> RE: Is now the time to ban pro Dommes from Collarme or should we just live and let live (11/18/2009 7:05:07 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery

Well ok $180 after tax but still not bad and with the option of working part time to supplement their income. My net point: the lower the charge, the more clients they are likely to get, the higher the charge the less clients
Seems simple to me
Kevin



Kevin, you clearly don't understand the economics of supply and demand.

boi




mnottertail -> RE: Is now the time to ban pro Dommes from Collarme or should we just live and let live (11/18/2009 7:07:18 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery

Well ok $180 after tax but still not bad and with the option of working part time to supplement their income. My net point: the lower the charge, the more clients they are likely to get, the higher the charge the less clients
Seems simple to me
Kevin




So, we now come to the central issue, at long last.

Resolved the question:

Rather than banning pro Dommes on CollarMe, should Collarme only allow pro Dommes who discount and accept Wendy's coupons?


The 13th Continental CollarMe Congress.




BoiJen -> RE: Is now the time to ban pro Dommes from Collarme or should we just live and let live (11/18/2009 7:07:23 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery
they should get an ordinary job like everyone else, work in an office nine to five that will pull in a few hundred , after all if a subbie can get a job so can Dommes and there are jobs out there as you keep telling me so why does not the Domme do the same as the sub and work in an office for a bit of the day if she is not making ends meet



Let me just save my typing time with requoting myself...

quote:

ORIGINAL: BoiJen

And I don't know about other Pros but the one I serve, I distinctly remember adding in Her session tribute and getting that little bit taxed like hell with self-employment tax and an additional tax for having a second job (cuz She has a "real" job too)...this is what I get for being Her tax preparer as well.

Now go get a job or make one for yourself. If a 23 year old can do it, so can you.

boi






BoiJen -> RE: Is now the time to ban pro Dommes from Collarme or should we just live and let live (11/18/2009 7:09:18 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail
So, we now come to the central issue, at long last.

Resolved the question:

Rather than banning pro Dommes on CollarMe, should Collarme only allow pro Dommes who discount and accept Wendy's coupons?


The 13th Continental CollarMe Congress.


Ronne,

See? Kevin will betray himself no matter what. He wouldn't bitch about Pros if he could simply find the money to pay them he says. Now if they were charging $50/hr he would bitch that they should be charging $25/hr.

Sounds to me the bitching complaints for a lazy ass not willing to find a job, yet wanting the luxuries that come with being able to afford shit with the resulting paycheck.

boi




LaTigresse -> RE: Is now the time to ban pro Dommes from Collarme or should we just live and let live (11/18/2009 7:16:43 AM)

Using fast reply......

Kevin, just shut your effing computer off and find a job, any job, and quit obsessing about stuff you cannot afford then whining about the people offering it. You've turned yourself into a forum laughing stock that only an unsuspecting newbie with shit for brains would take seriously.

And, you never did answer my direct question to you, as far as I can tell.




Lunalay -> RE: Is now the time to ban pro Dommes from Collarme or should we just live and let live (11/18/2009 7:22:54 AM)

My brain is broken... Is he angry that they charge too much?

That's like being angry at a private masseuse for being pricey.
[>:]





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