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RE: Is now the time to ban pro Dommes from Collarme or ... - 11/17/2009 8:36:40 AM

BoiJen

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Yes it is Findommes that are my and the Femdommes target now that I think about it. She does not specify but I think She means Findommes, I thought the two were the same mind you, dont ProDommes ask for money after all
Kevin

Kevin,

What you're saying is that Dommes, (Pro, Fem, whatever) should give play time to s-types, primarily yourself) at no charge. Which ends up with the those Dommes serving "s-types"...have you yet to see the fucked upedness of your logic?

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RE: Is now the time to ban pro Dommes from Collarme or ... - 11/17/2009 8:37:41 AM

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Yes it is Findommes that are my and the Femdommes target now that I think about it. She does not specify but I think She means Findommes, I thought the two were the same mind you, dont ProDommes ask for money after all
Kevin

Yes indeed, Kevin, Prodommes ask for money and they provide a much desired service in return. They earn their money with their art. Let me emphasize the words art and drama. A successful Prodomme is well schooled in the dramatic arts of BDSM. You should visit one sometime, one who is highly recommended for her talent and safety. It will broaden your understanding and flavour for the scope of our "community." What is the going rate in Londontown these days? I do not know. 250 GBP maybe. Just a guess. But cheap enough for the hour and for the education. Pssst... you might even enjoy yourself.

They work hard for the money (to borrow a phrase from a disco tune) and imho deserve respect.... the very good ones, I mean.

Edited: come to think of it, my dentist also asks for money. Exorbinant fees. Now, if there were a way to ban him i might consider your cause. i feel i am being exploited. Sigh.

Have a good day.

Vincent

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RE: Is now the time to ban pro Dommes from Collarme or ... - 11/17/2009 9:33:30 AM

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My personal thought is if peopl are too stupid to resist words on a profile screen that demand money, they deserve what they get.
SEND ME MONEY NOW!

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Im talking about the ones who say You are worthless in their profiles referring to submissive men and then saying I deserve all your money you have a pathetic slave life etc, you know the drill, this may push gullible men into paying Pro Dommes in the pretence that it will make the submissive man feel good but in actual fact may push him into financial hardship, the ones who say You are worthless without my control etc and there are Pro Dommes and Doms who do this, psychological manipulation of men and women if you will
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RE: Is now the time to ban pro Dommes from Collarme or ... - 11/17/2009 9:40:12 AM

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Well , boi fuck upedness, sorry boi jen, you see I got into this lifestyle for reasons of friendship. Friendship without being someone's ATM or have someone use me as an ATM. I know that might sound fucked up to you but to me what s really fucked up are Women and Men too who expect tribute off other men or women, who ok are submissive, without even so much as allowing them meet them. Thats totally fucked up to me
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RE: Is now the time to ban pro Dommes from Collarme or ... - 11/17/2009 9:42:08 AM

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And people who seek play for free thats a WANKER i agree but people should be allowed to chat with Women or Men for free this idea that I will only chat with you or I will block you if you try to inivite me to chat which I see from Dominant Women and Dominant Men is totally fucked up to use your expression
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RE: Is now the time to ban pro Dommes from Collarme or ... - 11/17/2009 9:44:28 AM

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Or having to pay tribute to talk to some Woman or Man who is Dominant that is fucked up too
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RE: Is now the time to ban pro Dommes from Collarme or ... - 11/17/2009 9:45:51 AM

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But I have since joined a group where quelle surprise , in Dublin, a BDSM, group where I can talk to Women or Men who are Dominant for free in a pub setting and quelle surprise I dont charge them for talking or chatting to me. We meet about once a month
Kevin

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RE: Is now the time to ban pro Dommes from Collarme or ... - 11/17/2009 9:48:00 AM

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come to think of it, my dentist also asks for money. Exorbinant fees. Now, if there were a way to ban him i might consider your cause. i feel i am being exploited. Sigh.

now Vincent...if you were not employed and could not afford dental services, you could start a thread on...oh...lesse...i think the op phrased it like this:

quote:

ORIGINAL:lobodomslavery

both men and Women Dominants trying to lure submissive men and submissive women into being their financial slaves at a time when many people are suffering financially and many people, myself included, do not have earning power, ie they are without jobs and struggling to keep their heads above water.

now admittedly, you would have to change "submissive" to "dentist", but the point is still the same (asinine). With so many unemployed, suffering financially, and trying to keep their heads above water... how DARE they charge for their services? Times are HARD...and professional have no damn business earning a living!!!

Hey Kevin...did that sound stupid to you? It did? Good. Now you know how WE feel!!!!

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RE: Is now the time to ban pro Dommes from Collarme or ... - 11/17/2009 9:52:49 AM

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But I have since joined a group where quelle surprise , in Dublin, a BDSM, group where I can talk to Women or Men who are Dominant for free in a pub setting and quelle surprise I dont charge them for talking or chatting to me. We meet about once a month
Kevin

Wow, you discovered munches. Congrats. Google is an awesome tool for searching local munches. In fact...within 30 seconds (including type time I found a site that directs you to two of them!

http://www.bdsmireland.org/pages/News/dublin_munches.htm

Look at that...you've been psychotically bitching and all it took was 30 seconds of actual effort. Shocker, that one!

boi

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RE: Is now the time to ban pro Dommes from Collarme or ... - 11/17/2009 9:54:15 AM

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Kev,

was that sockpuppet profile you made quaffing them too?

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RE: Is now the time to ban pro Dommes from Collarme or ... - 11/17/2009 9:58:54 AM

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Holly? you're wasting your fingers. Kevvie has decided what he has decided and nothing any of us say is going to sink into his thick-but-empty skull.

Martyrdom (especially whiny, self-inflicted) is SO unbecoming, to me.. and Kevvie, I think I'm not alone in that feeling.

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RE: Is now the time to ban pro Dommes from Collarme or ... - 11/17/2009 10:32:37 AM

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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

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come to think of it, my dentist also asks for money. Exorbinant fees. Now, if there were a way to ban him i might consider your cause. i feel i am being exploited. Sigh.

now Vincent...if you were not employed and could not afford dental services, you could start a thread on...oh...lesse...i think the op phrased it like this:

Sigh, holly, i suppose i could just let them fall out and Profile myself as a gummy subby for oral services. I know, i know. Pretty ugly thought, but i couldn't resist. Apologies. Mind gets deranged at times. LOL

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RE: Is now the time to ban pro Dommes from Collarme or ... - 11/17/2009 11:31:00 AM

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To be fair, there's probably a few tops on here who'd be into that.

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RE: Is now the time to ban pro Dommes from Collarme or ... - 11/17/2009 12:53:00 PM

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BoiJen, you are one of my heroes. First off.

Secondly, I think one of the real issues, so often & usually left unsaid in these types of threads by the vehemently gold-diggers-are-out-to-get-us-&-must-be-stopped 'side', is that most of the hot, young chiquita profiles want money, overtly or covertly . . . . (& most of the rest of the hot, young female profiles are taken, lesbian, & / or etc) . . . .

If the OP wanted to talk to dominant women, there are tons who don't charge, covertly or overtly. But. Mostly, they're not the conventionally model-attractive young ladies pictured on all those scammer profiles . . . . .. . .

All these posters have to do is start recognizing & blocking those scammer & professional profiles, both, & the ones that are left are what there is to work with. They just don't like that reality, methinks.

I suspect that for some, they feel they're lowering their standards sufficiently simply by (mostly) letting go of their fantasies that Angelina Jolie / Sophia Loren / Megan Fox / Paris Hilton / Brittany Spears / etc / etc is just waiting to date / top / whatever them, lol . . . . .

&, thus, munches are a last resort, a measure of desperation. Cuz, ya know, they ain't gonna meet Madonna at any freakin' munch, it's just gonna be full of ordinary people . . . . . . . Blech, ya can meet ordinary people anywhere. They're all around. What's so special about that? . . . lol

But it's also true that I could be delusional, biased, & etc . . . . .

quote:

ORIGINAL: BoiJen

Wow, you discovered munches. Congrats. Google is an awesome tool for searching local munches. In fact...within 30 seconds (including type time I found a site that directs you to two of them!

http://www.bdsmireland.org/pages/News/dublin_munches.htm

Look at that...you've been psychotically bitching and all it took was 30 seconds of actual effort. Shocker, that one!

boi

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RE: Is now the time to ban pro Dommes from Collarme or ... - 11/17/2009 1:25:05 PM

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You should have seen what I found when refining the yahoo search and using the search terms: munches bdsm Dublin. Pages and pages of shit going on in Dublin...since that seems to be his search area...for little ($10-local currency- or less) or no cost.

Funny enough, if the actual Pro Dommes have a personal need for someone, they frequent sites such as these, munches, and public play parties local to them. Most of these Pro Dommes also have enough respect for actual locations and events (let's remove the whole internet thing for a second) to not openly scope for clients. Thus, if a Pro Domme is at one of these events and tells you "here's my card" it's because that's the easiest way to deflect individuals they aren't interested in. I know this because I wasn't the one to get the card and have, since, been the one to hand it out en lieu of MsKitty being the "bad guy".

What Kevin doesn't seem to get is that it doesn't take a whole lot to get a Domme's attention or to even make yourself appealing to Her. There's really only three rules to be able to get get there: *Warning: Public Service Announcement*

1. Be attractive to the person (walk 30 minutes daily, take care of yourself, wear clean clothes and for god's sake SHOWER!)
2. Be useful (it takes little to no effort to hold open a door or make your Saturday available to help Her with household chores, but don't stick your ass out there expecting play time for it...that only makes you an asshole)
3. Be entertaining (having a sense of humor-especially self deprecating humor-will get you somewhere...be quick, use your wit, make Her smile)

Seriously, if you have these three things down, no Domme (whose looking) is gonna turn you down. Money doesn't matter as long as you're not sleeping in your parents' house and can pay for dinner (which isn't beyond the realm of chivalry for you cheap asses out there). In fact, they'll be stalking you.

My guess is that Kevin, and other whiny, lazy ass bitches like him, fail to achieve one or more of the situational requirements listed in the above PSA. Which only proves the point that they need to go read Emily Post or something instead of bitching on a forum where people realize why he's failed and that he doesn't actually make an effort to change his own situation.

If I seem a little harsh in regards to this, it's because I deal with these types of losers daily. Grow up, get a job (they're out there despite the excuses you make), hell go to school instead-learn something useful-do something with your life instead of bitching why it's all going wrong. And if you can't get that right, go home and shut up cuz I'm not the only one tired of reading about why your life sucks.

boi

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RE: Is now the time to ban pro Dommes from Collarme or ... - 11/17/2009 2:08:49 PM

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I suspect that for some, they feel they're lowering their standards sufficiently simply by (mostly) letting go of their fantasies that Angelina Jolie / Sophia Loren / Megan Fox / Paris Hilton / Brittany Spears / etc / etc is just waiting to date / top / whatever them, lol . . . . .

What! Britney is not available? FUK! Next you'll be tellin me she had a baby.

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RE: Is now the time to ban pro Dommes from Collarme or ... - 11/17/2009 2:12:43 PM

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Oh, oh, i just saw a profile on the list named "emptyingyouraccount"
Do you think she would be a safe Domme to talk with?

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RE: Is now the time to ban pro Dommes from Collarme or ... - 11/17/2009 2:14:42 PM

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and there is emptyingyouraccount2 right next to her. could be a scam.......

nope, same pictures, must be sisters.

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RE: Is now the time to ban pro Dommes from Collarme or ... - 11/17/2009 2:46:21 PM

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The following has been bolded & etc for emphasis, & because it bears endlessly repeating, apparently (some people do have to be told a million times):

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ORIGINAL: BoiJen

...

*Warning: Public Service Announcement*

1. Be attractive to the person (walk 30 minutes daily, take care of yourself, wear clean clothes and for god's sake SHOWER!)

2. Be useful (it takes little to no effort to hold open a door or make your Saturday available to help Her with household chores, but don't stick your ass out there expecting play time for it...that only makes you an asshole)

3. Be entertaining (having a sense of humor-especially self deprecating humor-will get you somewhere...be quick, use your wit, make Her smile)

...

boi

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& I'll reiterate: hygiene, thoughtfulness, & cultivating one's funny are hardcore winners!

As to the rest of your post . . . ..

Actually, I'd not be surprised, but then I'm heavily involved in my local scene & hang out in Sac some, & occasionally the Bay, & yee-haw. Sacramento, alone, one could attend events most days; the Bay, one would have daily choices, several of them most days . . . .. . *massive envy, plotting to relocate* . . .

&, huh, about that card thing. That's fascinating. I don't play casually much, & I don't hit on people, so that kinda thing would sail past me anyway. But I have met women I know work professionally & I've never gotten a card . . . . . *blows on fingertips, dusts them on lapels* . . . . & now I have a standard to keep in mind . . . ..

My jealousy of the larger urban areas is what has spurred my sensitivity to the fact that most major urban areas (pretty much anything upwards of 500,000 popn in the US, for example) is gonna have thriving scene. Multiple groups. Etc. & if the conglomerated urbanity has million-plus popn, absolutely will have tons of stuff going on. I feel +90% certain of that guess without even looking at the specific data . . .

& this is part of why the whole I-live-in-a-major-urban-area-but-can't-be-bothered-to-go-to-a-munch-or-anything (or the I-can't-meet-anyone-in-this-giant-city variant) has become something of a pink-ish flag for me. Could be super-duper picky, maybe, & that might be okay; but more likely, they're socially / dating impaired in some manner & living in fantasy land . ....

& I know from first-hand experience, research, inductive reasoning, et al, that the vast majority of femdoms one is likely to encounter in any kind of organized-kink setting (inclusive of these online dens) have most likely either (a) dabbled in paid BDSM provision, (b) been inspired, nurtured, friends with, or etc someone who has dabbled in paid BDSM provision, & / or (c) wanted to dabble in paid BDSM provision.

When I dabbled, briefly & most educationally, all I got from the real-life lifestyle & whatever femdoms was support, appreciation, offers of assistance. & I already knew, going into my involvement in the out-&-organized kink world, that professional BDSM providers have been a significant part of making the o-&-o kink world possible, & continually moving it along. A rainbow makes up the BDSM 'community' -- femdoms professional & lifestyle, the big huge swathe occupied with members of the GLBTQI&etc community, the hets, & so on & so forth . . . . .

& people whining about paying $10 or $20 or even more to go to a munch or fetish club or 'public' dungeon or class or whatever? Zero tolerance. It costs $20 to go see a movie, throwing in popcorn / soda / candy or a date, lol, & the movie'll probably be stupid. I happily & excitedly spend most of my disposable income on things kink. I'm thrilled I can.

(& as soon as I get over my phobia of spending money online, BoiJen, I'll buy some of them clips . . . . .

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RE: Is now the time to ban pro Dommes from Collarme or ... - 11/18/2009 1:48:14 AM

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I find it so funny you say all this get a job, blah blah and in the same breath in another post you justify Pro Dommes existence with saying that oh well you know its very very hard to get jobs now, people have to pay bills, blah blah blah, did it ever strike you that you are contradicting yourself, did it ever strike you that subbies have to pay bills and yes it is damn hard to get work now, I should know, and no im not lazy, im just pissed off with people who moan about the economy and then in the same breadth fire workers, any dumb ass would know that if you fire workers you reduce tax for the Government and hence there is less of a fund, what we need is more employment and less dismissals, the more people that there are employed the less we have to concern ourselves with falling tax takes and the more productive our economy will be. But of course no one sees this. And getting back to your earlier point, i have no problem with Dommes making a profit but im sorry $200 to see a pro Domme as some Dommes charge is way over the top. If they want to know why they are not getting clients , they should drag their price down to maybe $50 then they will get more clients. But they wont do that because they live in a different universe to the rest of us. Look at it this way $50 multiplied by 6 clients per day is $300 a day multiplied by 5 or 6 is $1800 a week take away tax and thats $1000 a week, $50,000 a year dont tell me that a Domme would be in financial difficulty on that kind of money and hey its a hell of a lot more than those on social security
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