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breatheasone -> RE: Orgasm Control - how to? (11/16/2009 3:02:42 PM)

And heres the thing....i honest to God do not think those that are "going along" or faking it are doing it to be bad....or hurtful, in fact the complete opposite!!....Her "D" type i'm sure tells her, if she can't its ok. But the desire to please is SO strong, and seeing that look in the "D" types eyes....  THAT kind of approval is hard to resist, is all i'm saying....




agirl -> RE: Orgasm Control - how to? (11/16/2009 3:10:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: breatheasone

And heres the thing....i honest to God do not think those that are "going along" or faking it are doing it to be bad....or hurtful, in fact the complete opposite!!....Her "D" type i'm sure tells her, if she can't its ok. But the desire to please is SO strong, and seeing that look in the "D" types eyes....  THAT kind of approval is hard to resist, is all i'm saying....


I don't have any massive desire to please and there's no approval or non-approval attached to the fact that he can control orgasms in ME. It's the combination of the two of us, how we react to each other and  all the things he's done to set it up and my susceptibility to it and him.

agirl





breatheasone -> RE: Orgasm Control - how to? (11/16/2009 3:14:27 PM)

agirl, i get that, really i do. There are however, plenty of different kinds of "s" types(human beings for that matter)...and not wanting to disappoint ones "D" type in this area is much more common than is openly talked about is all i'm sayin.




DesFIP -> RE: Orgasm Control - how to? (11/16/2009 3:56:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Llyren


I'm joining Breatheasone and Sunshine's camp.  While there may be a rare girl out there who can do it, it's like the myth that you're not really climaxing unless you squirt every time.  I suspect most of them are faking as to get the praise for being special. 

I'm not saying it's not possible, but how much stimulation takes place right before that command? 

Is this sour grapes on my part because I have problems climaxing, no, not really.  As it was mentioned, you hear about this in stories.  When someone posts a general how-to guide, or is willing to demonstrate that they can make a totally unaroused woman climax on command, I will admit I'm wrong.  And probably offer him my neck.  ;)



Llyren, it isn't your neck that's needed to teach this.
Just saying.

Some people can learn this, others can't. Even those who can will need months and months if not years to get it down pat. And then it still needs constant reinforcement like any hypnosis technique.

You don't teach her once and then never again edge her and finally give permission. You have to keep the training up to date like ballet dancers have to keep taking class.

I'm not sure it's worth the effort. But it can't be done with any pressure or making her feel bad or she'll have even more trouble orgasming than she did to begin with. And yes, it's a lot easier for someone who orgasms easily to learn this.




NormalOutside -> RE: Orgasm Control - how to? (11/16/2009 4:01:52 PM)

I won't bore you with details, just with my current situation's summary.
My girl has been with me for a few months now. It didn't take long (maybe a month) before I knew her orgasms were easy for me to control. She can hold off when I tell her to, despite all kinds of stimulation. She normally cums at the drop of a hat. Since then, I've already managed to train her to orgasm from many things other than genital stimulation. Nipple stroking, nipple pain, biting (her back usually), spanking (bum and thighs), and once now simply from wrapping my fingers around her throat and giving her the command. I have no experience in orgasm training before her, so I do know it's possible, even for beginners. :)




mnottertail -> RE: Orgasm Control - how to? (11/16/2009 4:09:33 PM)

usually when I feel I am getting close, I just pull it from her mouth for a little bit.




Llyren -> RE: Orgasm Control - how to? (11/16/2009 4:43:15 PM)

If you can manage it, more power to you, and I think it's great.

But I honestly believe that most women are as likely to orgasm on command, as they are to ejaculate on command.  Both of those mostly only happen in stories and make believe. 

If you can do it, you're very special.  And I don't mean that in a snarky way.




breatheasone -> RE: Orgasm Control - how to? (11/16/2009 4:46:28 PM)

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If you can do it, you're very special. And I don't mean that in a snarky way.

i agree, also in all sincerity. Anyone that can do it is very fortunate.




MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Orgasm Control - how to? (11/16/2009 7:48:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: breatheasone

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In the original story I read, the lady's Dom was able to obtain such control over her arousal that he could state just how "big" of an orgasm she could have as well as make her orgasm without any genital stimulation at all!


Imho, this is plain crap, an urban myth that keeps being perpetuated...



Well, since you're sooooooooooooo sure of yourself, let me inform you here and now that YOUR BELIEF IS PLAIN CRAP!!!  Just because YOU are not skilled enough to train one to cum-on-command, doesn't mean it can't be done; YOUR shortcomings do not extend to others.  It's not "crap"... it's not a "myth"... and clearly it's not something you're capable of.  Many (yes, MANY) have been trained to cum-on-command under this roof while under the control of a skilled hand.  I'll give you hint:  PAVLOV... the rest is up to you.  And for the record, the LONGEST it's taken to train a willing slave to cum-on-command has been only 3 months.






MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Orgasm Control - how to? (11/16/2009 7:54:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

I am very reluctant to believe the whole "orgasm on command" thing...



Believe it... again, think PAVLOV.





MagiksSlave -> RE: Orgasm Control - how to? (11/16/2009 8:01:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA

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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

I am very reluctant to believe the whole "orgasm on command" thing...



Believe it... again, think PAVLOV.





I will point out that Pavlov worked with DOGS and the human brain is and psychi is a tad more complicated then that of a dog.

Just saying...

Magik




Llyren -> RE: Orgasm Control - how to? (11/16/2009 8:05:37 PM)



Dogs are always ready to eat.  Now I want to see someone make dogs start getting excited and salivating at the thought of getting a bath and their claws cut.  That will impress me.




AnnaOfAramis -> RE: Orgasm Control - how to? (11/16/2009 8:07:44 PM)

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But it can't be done with any pressure or making her feel bad or she'll have even more trouble orgasming than she did to begin with.


Greetings,

I totally agree with this. I have a background in behavioral education- never trained this though, lol- but if I did, based on what I know, I would suggest that the D type NOT tell her not to cum, but instead watch her carefully and when he knows she is about to, then command her TO cum. This is errorless training- not meaning mistakes aren't ever made, but that one does everything to allow success and avoid errors even if it means helping the subject perform correctly. After successfully pairing the command with the action and rewarding liberally afterwards, for many separate sessions, then the D can start waiting a little longer before giving the command, but if she loses it anyway he simply gives the command immediately and makes it seem like she succeeded. This simply gets built on incrementally until he can make her wait for his command. Then he can try working back the other direction and giving the command slightly before she is ready and then gradually make it sooner and sooner (therefore having had less and less stimulation). The key is baby steps, actually look at a watch and don't guestimate the time, set it up for success and use rewards.

As for the debate about whether it's possible. I have no idea about those who claim they can with no stimulation at all- although I do have a friend who has cum in the grocery store for apparently no reason, so I guess it's possible. I can do it on command after stimulation- I can't fake it, 'cause I'm a squirter, so it's uh real obvious, lol.

regards,
anna




breatheasone -> RE: Orgasm Control - how to? (11/16/2009 8:25:22 PM)

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Well, since you're sooooooooooooo sure of yourself, let me inform you here and now that YOUR BELIEF IS PLAIN CRAP!!! Just because YOU are not skilled enough to train one to cum-on-command, doesn't mean it can't be done; YOUR shortcomings do not extend to others. It's not "crap"... it's not a "myth"... and clearly it's not something you're capable of. Many (yes, MANY) have been trained to cum-on-command under this roof while under the control of a skilled hand. I'll give you hint: PAVLOV... the rest is up to you. And for the record, the LONGEST it's taken to train a willing slave to cum-on-command has been only 3 months.

Oops, hit a nerve did i? You seem angry and defensive.

This is the WHOLE quote of mine you only showed part of in your reply....
"Imho, this is plain crap, an urban myth that keeps being perpetuated. And of course those "s" types who can't reach this plateau of "s" type greatness, must  not be "in tune" enough with our "D" types, or surrendered enough... "




MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Orgasm Control - how to? (11/16/2009 8:30:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MagiksSlave


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ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA

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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

I am very reluctant to believe the whole "orgasm on command" thing...



Believe it... again, think PAVLOV.





I will point out that Pavlov worked with DOGS and the human brain is and psychi is a tad more complicated then that of a dog.

Just saying...



Still applies... and not in any way, shape, or form "crap" or a "myth", as another has foolishly stated.  Requires a LOT of discovery on the Toppy one's part to find the sub/slave's triggers (physical, mental, and emotional), and then incorporate them with consistency and discipline;  which is MUCH MORE than would be needed with a "dog"... but the premise is still the same.





jadedbyone -> RE: Orgasm Control - how to? (11/16/2009 8:36:12 PM)

all women have the ability to cum without any stimulation. are natural erotic energy blocked by all that we have been told.
this girl will not debate with anyone....she is always stimulated and can cum anywhere anytime any place....thinking of her Master.
HE took her natural erotic energy trained her to please Him. Why would any one want to stop a woman a slave a sub from orgasm....how unnatural
what a perfect way to keep one from being able to orgasm at al.....




kasumi -> RE: Orgasm Control - how to? (11/16/2009 8:40:15 PM)

I want to thank all of you for replying. I'm relieved to hear that there are other females that are skeptical on the idea.

Someone recently likened it to hypnotism... I've never been able to be hypnotized before so I wonder if that would be another barrier for me.

I should say that my Master is extremely encouraging and understanding, I know at one point someone had mentioned that Master should just be happy to have me and he is. Exploring O Control is more for me than for him, to be honest.

I think that looking at it on an individual basis is probably the best thing that was brought up in this thread. Just because one woman can't naturally do something another can, doesn't mean she is lacking in any way. Plus, since reaching orgasm alone is difficult for some women, I don't think that its unreasonable to be suspicious when it comes to a female who says they can orgasm on command. It probably does seem like some sort of twisted "badge of honor" for some women who can achieve it , but I hope they can keep from looking down on other women who can't.

Personally, I know that some women can have multiple-orgasms but I've never had anything near that so its hard for me to put myself in their shoes just as I'm sure its difficult for them to put their feet in mine.




rockspider -> RE: Orgasm Control - how to? (11/16/2009 8:40:52 PM)

My experience really goes from women who I have despite my absolute best effort have been unable to get as much as whimper or movement out off, to the ones who after very little effort has been howling so the neighbors complained. So I doubt that there is a sure way to something like. In as far as orgasm control goes, the only thing I have been able to do is using stimulation in various manners and the withdrawal of the same. I have found that it does work well when she is restrained in some manner. Some of these I have spoken in great about the experience and why it works. Well there is one obvious reason as she has no possibility of either helping herself neither grabbing on to the man doing it which is actually the thing I mostly hear is what is going through their mind. The other thing is much psychological. Most women really want to reciprocate in bed. If you just tell them to relax and enjoy their mind seems to fabricate some guild in that they don't. The restraints completely takes that away. Gives a total freedom to be pleased.
This method is by no means workable on all woman. Be lucky if it does in 1 out of three.
Who are they. Well the easy turn on is obviously best. One absolute thing all of the ones I have had success with have had one in common. That is the woman, who if they are doing something else, like chores and if you do touch them somewhere you know is a great turn initially tries to stop you but suddenly change her mind. Example. She is doing dishes and you walk op behind and take a firm grip on her tits. Firstly she does say "Hang on let me get the dishes finished" but if you persist, suddenly her body language change. The eyes like goes bleary, her breath quickens and she leans in to you. An excellent pre staging to the scene later is to do it regularly during the day where you plan the scene to take place and let go of her and say something like "well if you wanna do the dishes, get on with it" The very best I experienced for this was somewhat confused in the beginning. But as we had done it a few times caught on. She would stand there and recapture her composure and mutter under her breath "You fucking bastard", carry on and sending me small evil glances always finished with an air kiss. Well she would do things like always keep her back to me, be finding minute pieces of dust on the floor which had to be picked up always with her ass pointing my way. The whole atmosphere would become more and more charged. We did have the rule, no sex before dinner which was always a real treat. After the dinner it would become no holds barred.
Can a woman orgasm on command? Well until I do see it with my own eyes I will say no way. Can a woman be stimulated to orgasm. Well that is indeed possible. First time I did see it was with the above mentioned woman and totally unprepared. Well had booked a chalet in a resort which was quite large and was well known for its adult only policy. Each chalet was very private and distributed evenly over the grounds. The place was heavily wooded and in the mountains. Insuring a high degree of privacy. Nudity was not as such allowed, but neither disallowed so it was well known for that people really wore a minimum of clothes. Nobody cared at all. Anywhere we set on the 350 km drive to it and the road starts out dead straight but as the mountains start gets increasingly twisty requiring lots of concentration on the driving. Well of course the talk in the car really became centered on what to do when we got there and the weekend. As we did get in to the twisty part it was extremely explicit. At one stage she actually stopped saying anything but I kept on talking for a while. I gave her a quick glance and she was sitting holding on to her seat, neck back and eyes closed. Well she looked like a woman in pain, like searing gut ache or menses pain. But I was on a roll and just kept jabbing while driving. Certainly she started screaming starting with "Fuck I am cumming" repeating it over and over. I nearly ran the car off the road, but got it pulled over to the side. Well she was spasming like a leaf. I was so surprised that I just sat there staring. When her body stopped trembling she said. “That was awesome. Nobody but nobody is ever going to believe it.” Well she leaned and gave me a long and deep kiss and when she pulled off she said "I owe you the world’s best blowjob" Well I didn't get it as when she tried to open my zipper I just exploded. We sat a little while really saying nothing. Decided to get going and did try and clean a bit up with some wet vipes. The rest of the trip was in relative silence. When we arrived at the resort she said that I should go and sign in alone. So I did, but when we arrived at the chalet I discovered why. Her panties and skirt was simply one big mess and so was the seat she sat on. We did try it later as such and also achieved some success, but nothing like that first time. I have later tried it plenty times with others, but mostly it ends with her actually ends up masturbating herself and that I feel is not the same.
Well I am in no doubt that the most important sexual organ in a woman is situated between her ears. If you can concur that, the rest falls in your lap. But some of these brains are just not wired for certain things. You can push it far but each one has its own specific limits. She will, however much she desires to, never could give you something she don't have.
Men really don't differ that much on that score. Wayne Gretzky would never have become that great player he was if he didn't have the talent he had. Neither would he, if he didn't interest himself for ice hockey and neither would he, if he didn't have that iron will to train for years to get there. Think about it! Being good at something is always a multifaceted thing. If one ingredient is missing you don't succeed. Training is not putting something in, but really discovering what is already there and make the full potential of it.




MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Orgasm Control - how to? (11/16/2009 8:52:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: breatheasone

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Well, since you're sooooooooooooo sure of yourself, let me inform you here and now that YOUR BELIEF IS PLAIN CRAP!!! Just because YOU are not skilled enough to train one to cum-on-command, doesn't mean it can't be done; YOUR shortcomings do not extend to others. It's not "crap"... it's not a "myth"... and clearly it's not something you're capable of. Many (yes, MANY) have been trained to cum-on-command under this roof while under the control of a skilled hand. I'll give you hint: PAVLOV... the rest is up to you. And for the record, the LONGEST it's taken to train a willing slave to cum-on-command has been only 3 months.


Oops, hit a nerve did i? You seem angry and defensive.



Your comments are complete bullshit and based on your own personal inabilities; and as such, are neither valid or reflective of reality.  Thus, as much as you'd like to dismiss your shortcomings, there is no "nerve" hitting going on here any more than if you'd stated "people cannot orgasm from pain" and were corrected for that foolish statement.

You pompously stated that the ability for one to cum-on-command was both "plain crap" and a "myth"... AS IF WHAT YOU STATED IS FACT.  It's not... it's not even close to being a fact, as it's as much bullshit as stating someone can't cum from pain.  That's how wildly naive your statement was; and clearly based on your own inability to train another in this way.  Training to cum-on-command is not "plain crap" and not a "myth". Period.
 
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This is the WHOLE quote of mine you only showed part of in your reply....
"Imho, this is plain crap, an urban myth that keeps being perpetuated. And of course those "s" types who can't reach this plateau of "s" type greatness, must  not be "in tune" enough with our "D" types, or surrendered enough... "



Showing your entire quote (the part in bold) only makes you look WORSE, as (i) it's condescending, and (ii) has ZERO to do with not having "surrendered enough".  You simply have no idea what you're talking about.  Example:  Consider again those "s types" who can't cum from pain... and extend to them that they "can't reach this plateau of greatness... and must not be in tune enough with their D type".  That's condescending as fuck!!!  So once again, don't blame your personal shortcomings as "plain crap" or "myth" because you lack the skills to train a willing sub/slave to cum-on-command.  Others do not share your failing.




Llyren -> RE: Orgasm Control - how to? (11/16/2009 8:55:05 PM)


Kasumi, I hope you don't feel any of the disagreements have been directed at you.  I hope you can figure out how to do it, and take great joy it.  I think we'd all love to climax just like that.  *snaps her fingers*  If you can, go for it! 

(I know I certainly would.)  [sm=lol.gif]




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