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RE: Mr. President, quit bowing to royals!!! - 11/15/2009 1:11:41 PM   
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if he didn't that still doesn't mean it's rude


No, but it might suggest that bowing to the emperor was less a matter of "When in Rome" than "When in the presence of royalty."

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I am far more pleased that he made the attempt to be respectful of a country's culture than I am annoyed that he bowed a little too deeply.


But isn't it part of Japanese culture that people bow in many social interactions, the way westerners shake hands? That would argue for Obama's trading bows with lots of people, not just the emperor. Also, there are plenty of other ways to show respect for another culture without without violating a key tenet--all people are created equal--of our own.

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RE: Mr. President, quit bowing to royals!!! - 11/15/2009 1:15:09 PM   
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No, but it might suggest that bowing to the emperor was less a matter of "When in Rome" than "When in the presence of royalty."




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But isn't it part of Japanese culture that people bow in many social interactions, the way westerners shake hands? That would argue for Obama's trading bows with lots of people, not just the emperor. Also, there are plenty of other ways to show respect for another culture without without violating a key tenet--all people are created equal--of our own.


It is and I wouldn't be surprised if he bowed to the PM and I wouldn't be surprised if neither of them and just shook hands. I would only be bothered if the PM did and Obama didn't. People are created equal but offices and titles aren't. Certain ones command more displays of respect.

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RE: Mr. President, quit bowing to royals!!! - 11/15/2009 1:16:08 PM   
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In trying to get my head around this topic, I've found myself wondering how things might work in reverse. There are, I believe, cultures where men don't touch women who are not related to them. If a head of state from such a place came to the U.S., would we expect him to shake Mrs. Obama's hand as a mark of respect for our culture?

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RE: Mr. President, quit bowing to royals!!! - 11/15/2009 1:17:54 PM   
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In trying to get my head around this topic, I've found myself wondering how things might work in reverse. There are, I believe, cultures where men don't touch women who are not related to them. If a head of state from such a place came to the U.S., would we expect him to shake Mrs. Obama's hand as a mark of respect for our culture?


No however I would expect him to be polite and converse with her. Which, in certain cultures and religions, is not allowed. I would also expect him to look her in the eye and not tell her she's a whore for not covering her face.

Edited to add: Now if our president was female, then yes I would expect the man to suck it up and shake her hand, wearing a glove if need be as a nod to his own beliefs.

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RE: Mr. President, quit bowing to royals!!! - 11/15/2009 1:19:21 PM   
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RE: Mr. President, quit bowing to royals!!! - 11/15/2009 1:24:24 PM   
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So if President Obama shouldn't bow to royals (on their home turf)--to whom should he bow?

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RE: Mr. President, quit bowing to royals!!! - 11/15/2009 1:24:36 PM   
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There are, I believe, cultures where men don't touch women who are not related to them.



we had that little drama overhere..an muslim preacher not shaking a female parlement members hand.

It is difficult sometimes to understand other cultures and protocols. When to adjust and when to be opposed.

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RE: Mr. President, quit bowing to royals!!! - 11/15/2009 1:24:41 PM   
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If obama put his hand out, and it wasn't shaken in our country, you can better goddamn believe it, even if was some nasty motherfucker like castro. America would flip out at the slight.

Ron


Amen, Ron! Funny how things change when it's the other way around


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RE: Mr. President, quit bowing to royals!!! - 11/15/2009 1:28:20 PM   
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It is difficult sometimes to understand other cultures and protocols. When to adjust and when to be opposed.


Agreed.

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RE: Mr. President, quit bowing to royals!!! - 11/15/2009 1:34:11 PM   
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So if President Obama shouldn't bow to royals (on their home turf)--to whom should he bow?


No one; there is no hierarchy in humanity. A whole man values each of his parts equally, while respecting each for their individual capabilities.

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RE: Mr. President, quit bowing to royals!!! - 11/15/2009 1:36:09 PM   
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So if President Obama shouldn't bow to royals (on their home turf)--to whom should he bow?


No one; there is no hierarchy in humanity. A whole man values each of his parts equally, while respecting each for their individual capabilities.

Kim (who realizes this is not eveyone's goal)


There is, however, a hierachy in politics and if men were angels we'd have no need for government.

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RE: Mr. President, quit bowing to royals!!! - 11/15/2009 1:38:23 PM   
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just sayin,

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RE: Mr. President, quit bowing to royals!!! - 11/15/2009 1:40:05 PM   
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and if women would gobble more cock, men would hold no interest in politics.

just sayin,

Ron


It was a somewhat mangled quote by a founding father, James Madison I believe, but I appreciate the point. Clearly what we need for world peace is an army of cock-sucking women.

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RE: Mr. President, quit bowing to royals!!! - 11/15/2009 1:43:08 PM   
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RE: Mr. President, quit bowing to royals!!! - 11/15/2009 1:45:51 PM   
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Edited for typos. Sorry, can't type. Too busy practicing for the sake of humanity.

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RE: Mr. President, quit bowing to royals!!! - 11/15/2009 1:46:31 PM   
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RE: Mr. President, quit bowing to royals!!! - 11/15/2009 1:46:46 PM   
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RE: Mr. President, quit bowing to royals!!! - 11/15/2009 1:47:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ron, now that's patriotism! I bow before you, dude.

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RE: Mr. President, quit bowing to royals!!! - 11/15/2009 1:47:48 PM   
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RE: Mr. President, quit bowing to royals!!! - 11/15/2009 1:47:58 PM   
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There is, however, a hierachy in politics and if men were angels we'd have no need for government.


If men were angels, they wouldn’t be men; therefore ineligible for the acquisition of liberty.

A little truth can go a long way.

As for politics, just another religion; man was not meant to be ‘kept’.

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