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RE: USPS posts $3.8B loss for 2009 - 11/16/2009 5:26:15 PM   
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I'll tell you why the post office is losing money, its because they think they are gods (the ones that work in the actual office are the worst). We spend alot shipping crap, and get zero respect from them. They bitch if the shipping dates don't conform with their stupid policies, as if the scan time of the package wasn't enough to update their system. UPS, and FEDEX, you print the label and can drop it off whenever.

They also always look at you cross eyed if your delivery guy has to pick up like 30 boxes or something. (Sometimes have them pick up sometimes not) Sorry... Dude, you like to get paid right, they should be happy, fedex and UPS never do that, they actually like getting more business.  We don't do enough business with the USPS to get a "big boy" service, but do enough to pay a salary, they handle that market poorly.

The only thing I use the Post office for is flat-rate boxes, or flat rate envelopes, which are progressively becoming less of a good deal all the time.

The money going forward as far as mail is concerned is packages, they are only now trying to play catchup in that regard in terms of tracking and whatnot, there pricing for everything is higher except in some instances when you can use flat rate boxes or envelopes, even their parcel post (ultra slow) is most of the time more expensive than UPS.

If the USPS with its massive infrastructure, huge embedded footprint can't figure out how to deliver "large" packages at the same or lower price than UPS they'll go broke. They should be able to do it, UPS does it, FEDEX does it.






Actually the should just get out of that business, and provide the regular mail service where they have protection against competition. Of course that means they will have to fire a good % of their staff.

Too big to fail?

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RE: USPS posts $3.8B loss for 2009 - 11/16/2009 5:29:46 PM   
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Did anyone take into consideration that businesses are moving progressively away from the USPS. Not to mention that electronic mail has replaced letter writting. There are numerous reasons why the PS is losing money.


Did anyone consider that GM lost so much money because of the drop in volume of cars sold? Did anyone consider that banks lost money because the mortgage market they were forced into couldnt make their payments?

Not on this board they didnt. Apples to apples.


I wrote those in regards to actually blaming an administration for the loss of income. The USPS may just become a thing of the past unless they find ways to compete.



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RE: USPS posts $3.8B loss for 2009 - 11/16/2009 5:33:03 PM   
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Did anyone take into consideration that businesses are moving progressively away from the USPS. Not to mention that electronic mail has replaced letter writting. There are numerous reasons why the PS is losing money.


Did anyone consider that GM lost so much money because of the drop in volume of cars sold? Did anyone consider that banks lost money because the mortgage market they were forced into couldnt make their payments?

Not on this board they didnt. Apples to apples.


I wrote those in regards to actually blaming an administration for the loss of income. The USPS may just become a thing of the past unless they find ways to compete.




Who was blaming the administration? Prophylactic posting or just paranoid?

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RE: USPS posts $3.8B loss for 2009 - 11/16/2009 5:33:17 PM   
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Actually the should just get out of that business, and provide the regular mail service where they have protection against competition. Of course that means they will have to fire a good % of their staff.

Too big to fail?


Hrmmm, I doubt they could sustain mail service more than a few times a week for regular mail in the not to distant future, if stamp type mail was all they did.

I mean I can bring a couple of hundred dollars in postage for them at a time, versus .35 stamp mail which is going to decrease even further as grandmas and grandpas die off. Who even mails letter type anything anymore? I don't, I don't pay one bill by mail. I still receive a couple courtesy bills before the withdrawal, but I doubt that will last forever. I get like 3 mailers a week for stores, besides that nothing but packages in and out.

No, I just don't see it, especially in rural areas, it would be impossible to maintain a daily presence.

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RE: USPS posts $3.8B loss for 2009 - 11/16/2009 5:35:05 PM   
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Actually the should just get out of that business, and provide the regular mail service where they have protection against competition. Of course that means they will have to fire a good % of their staff.

Too big to fail?


Hrmmm, I doubt they could sustain mail service more than a few times a week for regular mail in the not to distant future, if stamp type mail was all they did.

I mean I can bring a couple of hundred dollars in postage for them at a time, versus .35 stamp mail which is going to decrease even further as grandmas and grandpas die off. Who even mails letter type anything anymore? I don't, I don't pay one bill by mail. I still receive a couple courtesy bills before the withdrawal, but I doubt that will last forever. I get like 3 mailers a week for stores, besides that nothing but packages in and out.

No, I just don't see it, especially in rural areas, it would be impossible to maintain a daily presence.



Agreed..thus firing a good % of their staff. Maybe thats where the revolution will start!

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RE: USPS posts $3.8B loss for 2009 - 11/16/2009 5:38:01 PM   
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Unlike FedEx and UPS, the post office never had to focus on customer service. They knew that if they lost money they would just raise the rates. They had a monopoly on letters. That came to an end and they (US taxpayers) are broke. Look for the same results if Obama care ever becomes a reality.

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RE: USPS posts $3.8B loss for 2009 - 11/16/2009 5:39:46 PM   
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What an interesting citation and a fine comparison of apples and oranges.


I didn't make the comparison. President Obama did.

"Obama compares. I report"

Nice to ring to it, don't you think?




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RE: USPS posts $3.8B loss for 2009 - 11/16/2009 5:41:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Did anyone take into consideration that businesses are moving progressively away from the USPS. Not to mention that electronic mail has replaced letter writting. There are numerous reasons why the PS is losing money.


Did anyone consider that GM lost so much money because of the drop in volume of cars sold? Did anyone consider that banks lost money because the mortgage market they were forced into couldnt make their payments?

Not on this board they didnt. Apples to apples.


I wrote those in regards to actually blaming an administration for the loss of income. The USPS may just become a thing of the past unless they find ways to compete.




Who was blaming the administration? Prophylactic posting or just paranoid?


Dont know what your problem is.. except maybe lack of sex... which is understandable from what i have seen of you on these boards. But you are too damn stupid to even realize when someone is agreeing with you... and thats pathetically sad.

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RE: USPS posts $3.8B loss for 2009 - 11/16/2009 5:42:10 PM   
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"Obama Care"?
Another poster(who shall not be named by me)seems to be rooting for a) a large portion of a particular work force to be fired....and b) a revolution to start.
Have I fallen thru the looking glass?

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RE: USPS posts $3.8B loss for 2009 - 11/16/2009 5:48:11 PM   
DomImus


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Sanity doesnt usually lose me this quickly. This time its Imus.


Okay. Obama drew a parallel between the USPS and government run health care. Opponents to government run health care say it will be too costly and will bankrupt the country. The USPS is bleeding red ink.

I can retype it all in caps if that would help.





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RE: USPS posts $3.8B loss for 2009 - 11/16/2009 5:49:07 PM   
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I dont buy it. There is a huge subjective factor in the comparison of severity of injuries for one thing.
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Of course, wilbeur.......comparisons like death rates among trauma victims with like injuries and ages are invalid. Comparisons between health insurance and the post office are far more valid. It all comes down to what's convenient for you to believe it seems.

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RE: USPS posts $3.8B loss for 2009 - 11/16/2009 5:51:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Did anyone take into consideration that businesses are moving progressively away from the USPS. Not to mention that electronic mail has replaced letter writting. There are numerous reasons why the PS is losing money.


Did anyone consider that GM lost so much money because of the drop in volume of cars sold? Did anyone consider that banks lost money because the mortgage market they were forced into couldnt make their payments?

Not on this board they didnt. Apples to apples.


I wrote those in regards to actually blaming an administration for the loss of income. The USPS may just become a thing of the past unless they find ways to compete.




Who was blaming the administration? Prophylactic posting or just paranoid?


Dont know what your problem is.. except maybe lack of sex... which is understandable from what i have seen of you on these boards. But you are too damn stupid to even realize when someone is agreeing with you... and thats pathetically sad.


I asked a simple question and you get your panties in a bunch. I guess your self-description of "bitch" may be accurate. No one in this thread blamed the administration, so posting something to rebut that claim makes no sense.

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RE: USPS posts $3.8B loss for 2009 - 11/16/2009 5:52:50 PM   
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I dont buy it. There is a huge subjective factor in the comparison of severity of injuries for one thing.
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Of course, wilbeur.......comparisons like death rates among trauma victims with like injuries and ages are invalid. Comparisons between health insurance and the post office are far more valid. It all comes down to what's convenient for you to believe it seems.



You said it yourself "like injuries". How is that defined? What kind of trauma did the uninsured experience? What kind of trauma did the insured experience?

and I made no comparison between health insurance and the post office, so take that snark and shove it.

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RE: USPS posts $3.8B loss for 2009 - 11/16/2009 5:56:44 PM   
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I didn't make the comparison. President Obama did.

"Obama compares. I report"

Nice to ring to it, don't you think?

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Obama makes a statment, you quote out of context. Sounds more like the same old thing than a nice ring, Imus


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RE: USPS posts $3.8B loss for 2009 - 11/16/2009 5:56:44 PM   
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Well...this canard about how the USPS has terrible service is just that, a myth. The truth is, Consumer Reports compared USPS to FedEx and UPS and found that USPS overall gave the same service, at lower cost;

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/money/shopping/shopping-tips/fedex-vs-ups-vs-the-postal-service/overview/package-delivery-services-ov.htm?Extkey=SY95PI0&CMP=KNC-CROVMYSSP&HBX_OU=51&PK=yssp

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[in a head to head test shipment] Every package reached its destination the next day. But overnight shipping prices to the same place differed by as much as 281 percent. The Postal Service was the least expensive by far for local and long-distance deliveries. For letter-size envelopes, such as the ones it gave us for sending the books, it charges a flat rate of $16.50. (Flat rates for slower delivery are lower.)

The other shippers base prices on weight and distance traveled. UPS charged $62.87 to send our book next-day to Oregon and $29.55 to Manhattan. FedEx charged $54.57 and $27.48, respectively.

We also checked prices to send a 5-pound package from New York to California regular next-day, two-day, and slower ground. The Postal Service won again in the first two categories and more or less tied in the third (see 3 Shippers, 3 Time Frames). And unlike the other carriers, the Postal Service doesn’t add a fuel surcharge, which is adjusted monthly by the other carriers


Ronald Reagan made a lot of good common sense when he suggested that we run government like a business- in this case, it appears the solution is for USPS to just increase its rates to charge a price competitive with FedEx and UPS.

So yes, there will be Saturday health care, its just we will have to (gasp) pay (taxes) for the cost of providing it.
As Ronaldus Magnus also said, "We must pay in taxes for the services we receive. There is no free lunch."

A wise man, indeed.

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RE: USPS posts $3.8B loss for 2009 - 11/16/2009 6:01:32 PM   
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Six day a week mail delivery is mandated by law. Congressional action is necessary to make any changes there. As far as "firing a good % of their staff", most of the bargaining unit employees (unionized employees) are covered by a no-layoff clause in their current contracts, and have other protections in place against mass firings. The information in MercnBeth's post is mostly correct, except that postal employees CAN be involuntarily reassigned. There are many reasons the Postal Service is in financial difficulty, not the least of which is that they are required to provide universal service. That means that they deliver to every address in the United States, regardless of whether it is profitable to do so. And the Postal Service does not receive any taxpayer subsidies, except for free matter for the blind and handicapped, and franked mail. Sorry to be on-topic.


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RE: USPS posts $3.8B loss for 2009 - 11/16/2009 6:05:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
Sanity doesnt usually lose me this quickly. This time its Imus.


Okay. Obama drew a parallel between the USPS and government run health care. Opponents to government run health care say it will be too costly and will bankrupt the country. The USPS is bleeding red ink.

I can retype it all in caps if that would help.






The caps wont be neccessary.

There is a huge difference you are overlooking.

The USPS has a decrease in usage, one of its main problems.

The health care doesnt, in fact, its underutilized until its an emergent case which drives up the cost. Catching problems in the beginnings... preventative care... is where the savings will be.

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RE: USPS posts $3.8B loss for 2009 - 11/16/2009 6:05:10 PM   
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Six day a week mail delivery is mandated by law. Congressional action is necessary to make any changes there. As far as "firing a good % of their staff", most of the bargaining unit employees (unionized employees) are covered by a no-layoff clause in their current contracts, and have other protections in place against mass firings.



I know, I was being sarcastic about firing them.

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RE: USPS posts $3.8B loss for 2009 - 11/16/2009 6:11:26 PM   
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well- fed ex and UPS gets to pick and choose what they offer.


Side note on the post office.   be nice to yours.

Under an emergency your towns post master would assign jobs to all of that areas residents.  So if you are snotty you might not get a good task assigned to you.

The law number escapes me- but that is how it will work.

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RE: USPS posts $3.8B loss for 2009 - 11/16/2009 6:16:14 PM   
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EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002

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