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rulemylife -> The Latest In Thinly-Veiled Evangelical Christian Obama Death Threats (11/18/2009 6:53:01 PM)

Thinly-Veiled Christian Obama Death Threats Take Off


Apparently, the latest thing in "Debasing The Institutions You Pretend To Hold Dear In Order To Suggest That President Barack Obama Should Be Murdered Without Actually Coming Right Out And Saying So" goes by a shorter name: Psalm 109:8.

And Psalm 109:8 is just straight up memetastic, appearing on bumper stickers and T-shirts, all of which carry the benign sounding message, "Pray For Obama. "But, as Gawker's John Cook points out, this is just one more in a "long line of cheekily coded Obama death threats."

The verse in question reads: "May his days be few; may another take his place of leadership."

That leads fairly naturally into the Psalm 109:9, "May his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow." You know, in case you miss the point.

Rachel Maddow took up this issue last night, inviting Patience With God author and Huffington Post blogger Frank Schaeffer to explain whether or not the citation of this Biblical text "means something less threatening to people hearing this in a Biblical context."

What we're looking at right now is two things going on. We see the evangelical groups I talked about in my new book, Patience With God, enthralled by an apocalyptic vision that I go into in some detail there. They represent the millions of people who have turned the Left Behind series into best sellers.

Most of them are not crazy, they're just deluded. But there is a crazy fringe to whom all these little messages that have been pouring out of Fox News, now on a bumper sticker, talking about doing away with Obama, asking God to kill him. Really, this is trolling for assassins. This is serious business.






AnimusRex -> RE: The Latest In Thinly-Veiled Evangelical Christian Obama Death Threats (11/18/2009 7:08:10 PM)

I wonder if we should start profiling the Christians.




gift4mistress -> RE: The Latest In Thinly-Veiled Evangelical Christian Obama Death Threats (11/18/2009 7:14:25 PM)

LMAO! I thought the conservatives were the only "PARANOID NUT JOBS." LOL




AnimusRex -> RE: The Latest In Thinly-Veiled Evangelical Christian Obama Death Threats (11/18/2009 7:19:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: gift4mistress

LMAO! I thought the conservatives were the only "PARANOID NUT JOBS." LOL


It wasn't my idea-

It was Sarah Palin and the Fox News folk who ardently press for profiling of dangerous extremists, to protect against terrorist attacks.

I am firmly in support of the ACLU, that argues that profiling like that is a violation of the Constitution, and a terrible practice.

Since you asked- which side are you on?




Brain -> RE: The Latest In Thinly-Veiled Evangelical Christian Obama Death Threats (11/18/2009 7:20:34 PM)

This is exactly the kind of lunacy that resulted in the abortion doctor being murdered, Dr. Teller and Robert Kennedy and John Kennedy. To dismiss it as paranoia is irresponsible and dangerous.




strength4submiss -> RE: The Latest In Thinly-Veiled Evangelical Christian Obama Death Threats (11/18/2009 7:22:01 PM)

As it turns out liberals on MSNBC and some gawker moron are pretty parnoid also. Or are they just drumiing up more disiliusionment for their base?




AnimusRex -> RE: The Latest In Thinly-Veiled Evangelical Christian Obama Death Threats (11/18/2009 7:28:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Brain

This is exactly the kind of lunacy that resulted in the abortion doctor being murdered, Dr. Teller and Robert Kennedy and John Kennedy. To dismiss it as paranoia is irresponsible and dangerous.


Hmm...Just because the anti-abortion forces had a website up targeting abortion doctors, listing their home addresses and pictures and saying they were murderers and deserved to die. And then one of them actually went and did that? And they responded by having fundraisers for him?
For this, you say they are dangerous?

Nawww.....stop being paranoid.



Now, if they were Moozlims....horse of a different color, that!




cuckoldmepls -> RE: The Latest In Thinly-Veiled Evangelical Christian Obama Death Threats (11/18/2009 7:42:51 PM)

This is funny, first of all the 1st amendment gives anyone the right to say or write whatever they want. This is a free country, and that is the most fundamental right of all Americans. Only a liberal would suggest you can't quote the bible on a bumper sticker. Second of all, I didn't interpret it that way at all. I read it to mean that hopefully he will leave office after his first term or perhaps God may remove him himself. Only a liberal would suggest it's a covert signal to assassinate him.

In fact, every President in history has been subject to threats and assassination attempts by lunatics, not sane conservatives. I'm not saying it couldn't happen but it is just as likely that some drug crazed liberal might have a beef with him as well. You just never know. The fact is sane people don't try to kill other people except in self defense. Sounds like to me it's another case similar to homeland security where the democrats claim that anyone who believes in states rights, secure borders, U.S. Sovereignty, free speech and gun ownership are now potential terrorists or assassins.

Democrats are losing more credibility every day.
18 ways to be a good liberal.
http://babelishere.webs.com/liberals.html




Musicmystery -> RE: The Latest In Thinly-Veiled Evangelical Christian Obama Death Threats (11/18/2009 7:57:12 PM)

Not the way you're saying.

Such threats are a crime.




Kirata -> RE: The Latest In Thinly-Veiled Evangelical Christian Obama Death Threats (11/18/2009 8:06:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

That leads fairly naturally into the Psalm 109:9

Why would anyone suddenly expect them NOT to be quoting a verse out of context? [:D]

K.








purelea2003 -> RE: The Latest In Thinly-Veiled Evangelical Christian Obama Death Threats (11/18/2009 8:47:18 PM)

Sounds to me more like they might be threatening themselves. The CHAPTER also says in verse 16: " Because that he remembered not to shew mercy, but persecuted the poor and needy man, that he might even slay the broken in heart." Is Obama persecuting the poor and broken? Seems to me like that persecution began before he was elected. *shrugs*

Mercy is a good thing. May none of us get what we deserve.

(This isn't in reply to anyone in particular - just an observation)




WyldHrt -> RE: The Latest In Thinly-Veiled Evangelical Christian Obama Death Threats (11/18/2009 10:05:55 PM)

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The fact is sane people don't try to kill other people except in self defense.

[sm=rofl.gif][sm=rofl.gif][sm=rofl.gif] spoken like a twue defense attorney!

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This is funny, first of all the 1st amendment gives anyone the right to say or write whatever they want. This is a free country, and that is the most fundamental right of all Americans.

Quite incorrect. Amongst other things, the First Amendment does NOT give one the right to incite a riot, to yell "fire" in a crowded theater, or to threaten the President:
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TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 41 > § 871
§ 871. Threats against President and successors to the Presidency

(a) Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
(b) The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful candidates for the offices of President and Vice President, respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00000871----000-.html





Moonhead -> RE: The Latest In Thinly-Veiled Evangelical Christian Obama Death Threats (11/19/2009 4:58:19 AM)


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ORIGINAL: cuckoldmepls

In fact, every President in history has been subject to threats and assassination attempts

Death threats yes, not every one of them has received an assination attempt, though.
You're aware that Obama is receiving about ten times as many death threats as his predecessor?




vincentML -> RE: The Latest In Thinly-Veiled Evangelical Christian Obama Death Threats (11/19/2009 5:32:57 AM)


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ORIGINAL: AnimusRex


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ORIGINAL: Brain

This is exactly the kind of lunacy that resulted in the abortion doctor being murdered, Dr. Teller and Robert Kennedy and John Kennedy. To dismiss it as paranoia is irresponsible and dangerous.


Hmm...Just because the anti-abortion forces had a website up targeting abortion doctors, listing their home addresses and pictures and saying they were murderers and deserved to die. And then one of them actually went and did that? And they responded by having fundraisers for him?
For this, you say they are dangerous?

Nawww.....stop being paranoid.



Now, if they were Moozlims....horse of a different color, that!


The great Christian majority are hard working, law abiding citizens I have been told and I accept that as true. But they remain quiescent or are in denial about the dangerous Orthodoxy that drives the fringe nutjobs and then cry they are tarred by a broad bursh. The Christians have as much responsibility as the Muslims to decry dangerous threats against human life. Instead, they strike a pose of victimhood especially in the past few decades as their suffocating Orthodoxy has been eroded, and turn a blind eye to the existence among them of Tiller killers.

vincent




xssve -> RE: The Latest In Thinly-Veiled Evangelical Christian Obama Death Threats (11/19/2009 5:47:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: AnimusRex

I wonder if we should start profiling the Christians.
They already do - several Dominionist groups have been on the DOJ terrorist watch list for some time.




SpinnerofTales -> RE: The Latest In Thinly-Veiled Evangelical Christian Obama Death Threats (11/19/2009 6:41:00 AM)


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ORIGINAL: cuckoldmepls

This is funny, first of all the 1st amendment gives anyone the right to say or write whatever they want. This is a free country, and that is the most fundamental right of all Americans. Only a liberal would suggest you can't quote the bible on a bumper sticker. Second of all, I didn't interpret it that way at all. I read it to mean that hopefully he will leave office after his first term or perhaps God may remove him himself. Only a liberal would suggest it's a covert signal to assassinate him.



What's funny is your constant attempt (and you are not alone in this) to make every critical word spoken about the ultra right wing lunatics and their campaign of hatred for all things not right wing or lunatic into an assault on free speech. No one has even hinted that the fools who are praying for Obama's death cannot say or do so. We are merely exercising our rights to say that such a thing is disgusting and those who say it beneath contempt.





Mercnbeth -> RE: The Latest In Thinly-Veiled Evangelical Christian Obama Death Threats (11/19/2009 8:04:24 AM)

Wonder if the 'peace groups' were similarly despised by all of you 'Christian fearing' people?

KUMBAYA! - I would say what a joke, but apparently you are serious. Highlighting the fanatics, instead of ignoring and discounting them, from either side weakens your own credibility.

Congratulations to the clever person who thought it up. Congratulations on the same juvenile level that you see every year in a high school yearbooks when somebody has a secret code buried into their group picture.




DomKen -> RE: The Latest In Thinly-Veiled Evangelical Christian Obama Death Threats (11/19/2009 9:50:20 AM)

Nice try Merc. I hated Bush but would never tolerate anyone threatening his life. I went to a lot of anti Bush demonstrations and never saw any of those signs. If I saw them I would have contacted the Secret Service just as people did in response to these threats against Obama.

It seems odd to me that so much of this is documented on right wing blogs but the cons who collected them at the time seemed unable to dial the phone and do their civic duty.




Kirata -> RE: The Latest In Thinly-Veiled Evangelical Christian Obama Death Threats (11/19/2009 9:53:21 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

KUMBAYA!

That's a fairly stunning reminder... whew.

You know, the verse being referenced here (Psalm 109:8) simply reads: "May his days be few; may another take his place of leadership." Pretty clear political sentiment there, to my thinking. Much is being made of the verse that follows, namely, "May his children be fatherless and his wife a widow." But the verse that precedes 109:8 reads, "When he is tried, let him be found guilty," which clearly pleads the rule of law and clarifies that murder is not what is contemplated in 109:9.

So in the final analysis, the accusation being floated here rests on nothing more or less than some very selective and deceptive context-picking. Whether that reflects paranoia or deliberately contrived slander, I cannot say. But either way, it certainly fits the Psalm's opening complaint that, "wicked and deceitful men have opened their mouths against me; they have spoken against me with lying tongues."

K.






DomKen -> RE: The Latest In Thinly-Veiled Evangelical Christian Obama Death Threats (11/19/2009 10:07:36 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

KUMBAYA!

That's a fairly stunning reminder... whew.

You know, the verse being referenced here (Psalm 109:8) simply reads: "May his days be few; may another take his place of leadership." Pretty clear political sentiment there, to my thinking. Much is being made of the verse that follows, namely, "May his children be fatherless and his wife a widow." But the verse that precedes 109:8 reads, "When he is tried, let him be found guilty," which clearly pleads the rule of law and clarifies that murder is not what is contemplated in 109:9.

The accusation being floated here ultimately rests on nothing more or less than some very selective and deceptive context-picking. Whether that reflects paranoia or deliberately contrived slander, I cannot say. But either way, it certainly fits the Psalm's opening complaint that, "wicked and deceitful men have opened their mouths against me; they have spoken against me with lying tongues."

Actually a full read of Psalm 109 leaves no doubt. It is a prayer for the torment and murder of an unjust ruler and his family. It is one of the most troubling passages in the bible for christian scholars.

For instance C. S. Lewis in "Reflections on the Psalms" found the hatred expressed to be "festering, gloating undisguised."




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