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TheHeretic -> RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running in 2012 (11/20/2009 10:21:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Historically, this country has a longer list than that of cluelessness in the White House.





Really, Muse?  What do have in the way of lower individual achievement?  The current occupant wasn't even captain of his high school basketball team (and never wrote as editor of that fancy-schmancy law review).  I'm not denying it may be true, but do enlighten me.  Who became POTUS on a thinner resume?

Or are we using the bias thread standard of whatever you feel at the moment about who is stupid?  Bush II had executive experience both in the private and public sector, for example. 



Musicmystery -> RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running in 2012 (11/20/2009 10:39:21 PM)

Have it your way, Rich.

I'm talking about the history of the U.S., not about Bush.

I know that's hard for you, stuck in left/right land. But before the 21st century, the U.S. had presidents. A number are universally viewed poorly.

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the bias thread standard of whatever you feel at the moment about who is stupid?


Fuck you. Complete mischaracterization, and you know it.

You, and only you, brought Obama to a thread about who the Repubs might run. Go in the corner and masterbate over it for a while. He's the President. Deal with it.

Jesus fucking Christ. Talk about obsession.





rulemylife -> RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running in 2012 (11/20/2009 10:55:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Who became POTUS on a thinner resume?



Bush.

Want to compare?



TheHeretic -> RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running in 2012 (11/20/2009 11:00:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

You, and only you, brought Obama to a thread about who the Repubs might run.





I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt here, Muse.  He is who the Republican will have to beat.  Are you thinking the Dems might replace him on the ticket? 

(Sinus pressure?  I like the Alleve cold and sinus for those bad headaches.)


Yes.  Historically.  Educate me.  What US President had a thinner resume of accomplishment and/or executive positions?  Most are at least veterans before politics.  If we have a winner, how long has it been?




TheHeretic -> RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running in 2012 (11/20/2009 11:02:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Who became POTUS on a thinner resume?



Bush.

Want to compare?




I'm guessing you didn't read what followed the bit you snipped, RML.  Asked and answered. 



DomKen -> RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running in 2012 (11/20/2009 11:07:26 PM)

Guys don't get sucked into Heretics game. He's trying to change the discussion from competence to accomplishments prior to being elected.

Based on MM's original statement the list would include such luminaries as
Hoover
Harding
Pierce
Taylor



rulemylife -> RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running in 2012 (11/20/2009 11:10:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Who became POTUS on a thinner resume?



Bush.

Want to compare?




I'm guessing you didn't read what followed the bit you snipped, RML.  Asked and answered. 


I'm guessing you are blowing smoke as usual.

This was not a comparison.  This was your usual Obama whining without anything to back it up:


President Obama's first undeniable achievement was seriouly lowering the bar on who can become President of these United States.  His resume was basically blank.  No accomplishments.  No executive experience.  Oratorically gifted.  He was a national nobody until the '04 DNC, and then he went on to the White House.  It could happen again.   One viral video could launch a political star.  (The Dems will do everything can to shoot those down of course, but they just can't keep their deep, inner ugliness hidden when they do that, and wind up hurting themselves anyway).



rulemylife -> RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running in 2012 (11/20/2009 11:16:18 PM)

So, let's say, just for shits and giggles, you actually provide something to back what you say.

I say I can prove Bush was far more incompetent in every way.




TheHeretic -> RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running in 2012 (11/20/2009 11:23:25 PM)

RML, are you taking production lessons in the Fox studios?  Read this and get back under the bridge.

Ken, how exactly am I trying to change the question, when I asked the question to begin with? 

Have I struck a nerve here or something?



TheHeretic -> RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running in 2012 (11/20/2009 11:40:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Based on MM's original statement the list would include such luminaries as
Hoover

After the Armistice, Hoover, a member of the Supreme Economic Council and head of the American Relief Administration, organized shipments of food for starving millions in central Europe. He extended aid to famine-stricken Soviet Russia in 1921.


Harding

Business career, served as Lieutenant Governor


Pierce

Speaker of the state legislature, veteran (yeah, that's pretty thin)


Taylor

He was a General in the Army.




Whitehouse.gov - presidents



rulemylife -> RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running in 2012 (11/20/2009 11:42:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

RML, are you taking production lessons in the Fox studios?  Read this and get back under the bridge.



More diversionary nonsense.

Besides, I thought you were a Fox fan.

But before I go back under the bridge maybe we can talk about that comparison.

Try hard to think back to that time long, long ago when you made this claim:

Yes.  Historically.  Educate me.  What US President had a thinner resume of accomplishment and/or executive positions?

So, did you really not want to be educated?



DomKen -> RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running in 2012 (11/20/2009 11:44:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

RML, are you taking production lessons in the Fox studios?  Read this and get back under the bridge.

Ken, how exactly am I trying to change the question, when I asked the question to begin with? 

Have I struck a nerve here or something?

Just your usual BS

MM wrote this:
quote:

Historically, this country has a longer list than that of cluelessness in the White House.

And you have tried to turn that into some sort of comparison of resumes when he quite clearly meant what was done while in office.



TheHeretic -> RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running in 2012 (11/21/2009 12:05:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen


MM wrote this:
quote:

Historically, this country has a longer list than that of cluelessness in the White House.

And you have tried to turn that into some sort of comparison of resumes when he quite clearly meant what was done while in office.



No, Ken.  Muse said that in post 39, in a discussion of what I said about experience and resumes going into the office, in post 30. 




slvemike4u -> RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running in 2012 (11/21/2009 1:33:17 AM)

Well strictly addressing the question you posed in post #30.....and off the top of my head at 4:35 in the morning....Lincoln....and that worked out pretty good.



TheHeretic -> RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running in 2012 (11/21/2009 7:53:44 AM)

Lincoln had been a Captain in the Black Hawk war, Mike, but, between him and Pierce, shall we say 150 years since a resume that thin achieved the White House?

While all this reactionary reaction is highly amusing, my whole point is that when we talk about possible opponents for President Obama in '12, the field need not be so restricted.  In the internet age of communication, there is plenty of time for a new face and voice to emerge from outside the regular range of senators and governors.



Musicmystery -> RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running in 2012 (11/21/2009 8:32:35 AM)

If that's your point, it's a pretty circuitous route to an obvious observation.

Yes, we all recognize that Obama's election comparatively early in his career was a remarkable and impressive achievement. And in 2012, he'll have that solid, direct experience you seek, almost four years experience as President.

It's 2009. Internet or no, we've all seen this game played many, many times. My interest in it is passing at best. That list of candidates will change dramatically, and several times, before 2012. Some will be distant memories. People will come from nowhere and achieve popularity.

Beyond curiosity and reflections on who might be good, it's all speculation at this point.



slvemike4u -> RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running in 2012 (11/21/2009 9:36:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Lincoln had been a Captain in the Black Hawk war, Mike, but, between him and Pierce, shall we say 150 years since a resume that thin achieved the White House?

While all this reactionary reaction is highly amusing, my whole point is that when we talk about possible opponents for President Obama in '12, the field need not be so restricted.  In the internet age of communication, there is plenty of time for a new face and voice to emerge from outside the regular range of senators and governors.
Rich are you really going to hang your hat on Lincoln's experience as a Captain of Militia(a post he was elected to as opposed to earn through some experience as a soldier or training as such)in the Black Hawk Indian war....thats some thin shit...and hardly "executive" .



TheHeretic -> RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running in 2012 (11/21/2009 10:25:56 AM)

Try reading my post again, Mike.  The part you quoted would be fine.  I'm agreeing with you that there was a thin resume there.  I do think any honorable military experience is worth something, in this context though.



slvemike4u -> RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running in 2012 (11/21/2009 11:41:17 AM)

Fair enough..and yes I think it might be a little early to try and figure out the field for 2012...on the other hand it might also be a little late for someone who has yet to distinguish and seperate himself from the field to wrest the general election from an incumbant .



popeye1250 -> RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running in 2012 (11/21/2009 11:44:41 AM)


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Who became POTUS on a thinner resume?



Bush.

Want to compare?




Clinton, another "lawyer."



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