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RE: Cheating Spouses - a different take - 11/20/2009 4:44:54 PM   
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Cheating....NO.....a Perv in the faimily....ahem..YES   Aren't we all here?  Why are you here?  We all love Porn and playing it out. Damn Internet...blame it on Bill Gates...K?

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RE: Cheating Spouses - a different take - 11/20/2009 4:51:23 PM   
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RE: Cheating Spouses - a different take - 11/20/2009 4:51:51 PM   
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Cheating....NO.....a Perv in the faimily....ahem..YES   Aren't we all here?  Why are you here?  We all love Porn and playing it out. Damn Internet...blame it on Bill Gates...K?


Umm first exception, have no love of porn whatsoever.  My life, experiences and imagination are always much much better material. 


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RE: Cheating Spouses - a different take - 11/20/2009 5:07:36 PM   
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1. He is involved wit a woman online.
2. He got into this relationship without his wife's knowledge or acceptance.

To me, that constitutes cheating.  All the other stuff is irrelevant.


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RE: Cheating Spouses - a different take - 11/20/2009 5:13:20 PM   
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For me i consider it cheating and i wouldn't trust him for a minute.

Are you comfortable with what you found? Are you hurt by it? Only you know what bothers YOU!
Why would one hide something from somebody they loved? What is integrity and honesty?

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RE: Cheating Spouses - a different take - 11/20/2009 5:47:39 PM   
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Cheating....NO.....a Perv in the faimily....ahem..YES   Aren't we all here?  Why are you here?  We all love Porn and playing it out. Damn Internet...blame it on Bill Gates...K?


Speak for yourself there, cupcake.


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RE: Cheating Spouses - a different take - 11/20/2009 6:38:09 PM   
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For the doubters about my accidentally finding out - it honestly was. One night, we were looking at some stuff on the web together. The next day, I wanted to revisit one of the sites, but couldn't remember the address. I went onto his computer and went to look for it in history. That's when I saw the porn stuff and this site.

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RE: Cheating Spouses - a different take - 11/20/2009 6:41:06 PM   
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For the doubters about my accidentally finding out - it honestly was. One night, we were looking at some stuff on the web together. The next day, I wanted to revisit one of the sites, but couldn't remember the address. I went onto his computer and went to look for it in history. That's when I saw the porn stuff and this site.


Then why didn't you ask him? And how do you explain the emails you apparently "accidently" found? Don't you need to know a password, and in any case what were you doing reading them? This whole thing sounds like you didn't trust him even before all this.


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RE: Cheating Spouses - a different take - 11/20/2009 6:55:05 PM   
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I clicked on some of the links and he had them configured to save his password, so they logged right in. To be honest, the porn doesn't bother me at all. What does bother me is that he is out there searching for someone. I did ask him once if he was cheating on me, and he said that he was not. I don't think that he has actually met anyone in person and had sex with her. I do think that he has done things with his web cam and other people.

And yes, once I found the evidence the first time, even though it was an accident, I started looking for more evidence on purpose. Some people have said that I have a right to. To me, he was the one who cheated to begin with, so whatever I do after that is justified. I think he's an asshole and a cheater. He's certainly fucked up my feelings for him. How can I be intimate (emotionally, not sexually) with a man who is looking for other women? I don't know. I'm pretty screwed up over the whole thing.

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RE: Cheating Spouses - a different take - 11/20/2009 7:07:23 PM   
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'For some, polyamory is not cheating. '

True but that is assuming both people are aware and permit polyamory, otherwise its clearly cheating.

Looking at porn I wouldn't necessarily say is cheating, after all, as much as I hate to admit it its not exactly uncommon with men.  But the 'explicit messages' hes sending to other women are certainly, if not outright cheating, a definate step in that direction.

In short, I think you need to have a serious discussion with your husband. That being said, I am somewhat curious as to how you found out what hes writing to her in emails...

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RE: Cheating Spouses - a different take - 11/20/2009 7:12:36 PM   
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I really feel like any type of philandering is cheating. Personally, my ex-wife used to flirt with guys on a MMORPG, and I didn't care -- that was silly. She'd get really mad if I ever walked up to the screen when she was talking to someone, even to just give her a shoulder rub or a kiss on the head. I figured she was just really into her game, and went back to working.

Later, hotel charges showed up on our credit card and I found out it was real adultery. If someone is talking about it, it's at least a step in the wrong direction. I think your only choice is to confront them if they're still happy, and after taking vows, both sides should try to work it out in some functional way. If that includes incorporating others or new things, I don't know... but deceit and clandestine relationships, online or off, are against the damn rules!

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RE: Cheating Spouses - a different take - 11/20/2009 7:30:41 PM   
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Just for the record, you can cheat in a poly relationship just as you can in a monogamous relationship.

Whether or not it qualifies as cheating per se isn't something you need to parse. This is something important that he didn't involve you in. If you want to negotiate a polyamorous relationship, that's a different matter, but it requires joint discussion, and from my own experience, often what you come up with starts out as being not exactly what either party is all the way happy with. (Okay with, yes.) Looking at porn is one thing, and having sexual experiences via chat and webcam are something slightly other.

But if you give him an ultimatum, be prepared to act on it. No matter how much you love him, no matter how good a father he is, no matter how good a provider he is, et cetera. Because even if you do go poly, lying will fuck it up quicker than anything.


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RE: Cheating Spouses - a different take - 11/20/2009 8:19:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DoNotKnow

I clicked on some of the links and he had them configured to save his password, so they logged right in. To be honest, the porn doesn't bother me at all. What does bother me is that he is out there searching for someone. I did ask him once if he was cheating on me, and he said that he was not. I don't think that he has actually met anyone in person and had sex with her. I do think that he has done things with his web cam and other people.

And yes, once I found the evidence the first time, even though it was an accident, I started looking for more evidence on purpose. Some people have said that I have a right to. To me, he was the one who cheated to begin with, so whatever I do after that is justified. I think he's an asshole and a cheater. He's certainly fucked up my feelings for him. How can I be intimate (emotionally, not sexually) with a man who is looking for other women? I don't know. I'm pretty screwed up over the whole thing.



You are going to get a lot of "holier than thou" thoughts on whether or not you had the right to look. An important thing everyone seems to be missing is that from your screen name, profile and such, it doesn't seem as though you and your husband are involved in an "alternate lifestyle" type of relationship, so most of their thoughts on "rules," "polyamory" and such mean absolutely nothing.

Look, no matter how you found out, you found out. Is it cheating? Yes that depends on your view. He is talking about sexual activities with another person, and not in the sense of what you and he would do together. He is sharing something you thought was just between the two of you with someone else. You are hurt (rightfully so) and came here looking to see if maybe there was something you were missing about about you found that would somehow make it "ok." There isn't. He violated your trust, he violated the vows you took and he disregarded your feelings and your heart. When that happens, does it really matter if he actually met the person or not.

As for those who say that your searching is wrong....it isn't. First of all, you are in a legally binding relationship and in California, it is a community property state. If you wanted to divorce him on grounds of adultery, you need proof, how the hell else would you get it? Ask him?!

Men and women who cheat on their partners will always try to excuse it. I love how someone can say they don't feel guilty because their partner wasn't meeting their needs so they had to look elsewhere. The concept of being a grown up and discussing it is usually too far out of the realm of their abilities. For those who claim, "but I did try to talk to them and it led me nowhere,"....then grow and set and leave to find what makes you happy.

There are so many ways to accidentally come upon the information in an accidental manner. Going through pockets? Husband asks wife to take his jacket to the dry cleaners and she is going through the pockets before taking it. Finds a piece of paper and looks at it to determine whether it is trash or something he might need. Hell maybe she even keeps his receipts in order to help with his business expense reports. That's just one reason she might be reading it. Once the information tells that person something is not quite right, they are going to look to see whether they are mistaken. Once they find that information, the trust is already broken and the hurt is already there. Better to delve deeper, usually in the hopes of finding out that there is an innocent explanation than the person you love has betrayed you.

I don't live with my significant other, but I regularly go through the cookies and history in my computer to see what my son has been doing. Am I violating his privacy? Many here will say that I am. However, it is MY computer, in MY house, with an internet connection that I pay for. Not only that, but there are millions of people out there who prey on teenagers and I will look out to make sure that doesn't happen, because sadly, my son doesn't have a great deal of common sense.

As for the OP, as I said before, it doesn't seem as though you are voluntarily in an alternate relationship, so a good amount of the advice you get here will be worthless and not apply to your situation. The most sensible thing I have seen is that if YOU feel it is cheating (which I and several others agree that it is), then YOU need to not only decide what you want to do about it, but be ready to act on your decision. Can your marriage be salvaged? That is up to you and him. I expect any discussions you have about it, he will say that since he hasn't actually met anyone in person, he isn't cheating. You will say that since he already violated your trust, you don't know if you can believe that he hasn't met anyone in person. But have the conversation anyway. Try to impress upon him how his activities have made you feel, and remind him that you feel that way whether or not it was his intention to make you feel that way or not. Just because he didn't think about how you would feel doesn't make your feelings less relevant. If you decide you want to attempt to work it out, remember that it will take a lot of time, a lot of patience and a lot of communication about rebuilding your trust and fixing what is wrong in the relationship. And that means work for both of you. If you want to work it out, you have to be prepared to put the incident behind you and not bring it up every time you disagree about something.

I wish you all the luck in the world. I know that you are hurting right now and justifiably so. Just don't make any impulsive decisions you will regret later. Take a deep breath, assess the situation and see what you want to do. If at any time you want to talk further or just vent, please feel free to message me on the other side. The most important thing to remember is that this is NOT the end of the world, and no matter what you decide to do, only you can know what is right for you.

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RE: Cheating Spouses - a different take - 11/20/2009 9:51:15 PM   
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1. He is involved wit a woman online.
2. He got into this relationship without his wife's knowledge or acceptance.

To me, that constitutes cheating.  All the other stuff is irrelevant.


What He said.


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RE: Cheating Spouses - a different take - 11/21/2009 6:15:11 AM   
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Cheating? Lying?

The biggest question should be, is there deception involved. If yes, everything else is just technicalities, and avoiding the root problem.

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RE: Cheating Spouses - a different take - 11/21/2009 8:08:56 AM   
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I accidentally found out that my husband is viewing porn online. He also is e-mailing and chatting with people. And, he is on this site and has become involved with someone he found on this site, e-mailing and chatting with her. As far as I know, it is all strictly online. The e-mails are very sexually explicit, i.e., what he would do to her and what he wants her to do to him. I don't think that he knows that I know. I haven't said anything to him. My question is - is this considered cheating?


So maybe you are reading my mail... i correspond with Dominant men here on CM... i prefer married men as i have no interest in ever meeting them and i prefer it if their wife knows as it is a bit difficult to respect a guy who lies to his primary sexual partner... but of course i never know for sure if the man is even a man let alone if he tells me the truth about whether his wife knows about his affairs or not...

When i have a good contact the letters might be steaming... photos might be exchanged and we might correspond for quite some months before the interest wanes or holidays or what have you break the train and we move on...

All i can say is that i hope you enjoy the post, and i would advise you to take note of what is being disscussed and use this info to your advantage...
Alternatively you can kick up a big stink and ask him what he thinks he is doing without your permission.

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RE: Cheating Spouses - a different take - 11/21/2009 8:11:01 AM   
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<snip>... How can I be intimate (emotionally, not sexually) with a man who is looking for other women? <snip>...


you can't, unless you're an emotional masochist.

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RE: Cheating Spouses - a different take - 11/21/2009 8:18:23 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DoNotKnow

<snip>... How can I be intimate (emotionally, not sexually) with a man who is looking for other women? <snip>...


you can't, unless you're an emotional masochist.


I think it entirely depends on what is going on between the two people in a relationship
If man and wife are like brother and sister and get on like a house on fire except for when it comes to sex and one of the two looks for a bit of virtual relief to ease the pressure... i have to say i do not see anything wrong with that...
Though i do agree it would be nice if it could be discussed between them...
but if he feels embarrassed... and guilty... and if she feels embarrassed and lacking in sexapeal somehow... it it sometimes easier for people to pretend nothing is wrong and live in a lie.

OP how is your sexlife with the man?
would you like to go and watch porn with him?
Would you consider corresponding through CM with him yourself.... i have to say i can see delicious devious pleasure here...
if you are not tooo angry to see the funny side that is

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RE: Cheating Spouses - a different take - 11/21/2009 11:00:47 PM   
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Whether or not this is cheating is soley based upon the way you and your husband define cheating.

The way we define it in our household; this is most certainly cheating. However, I know others who would say no.

Even if it is not cheating is it a betrayal of trust? Only you and he can decide this.

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RE: Cheating Spouses - a different take - 11/21/2009 11:56:55 PM   
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'Cheating....NO.....a Perv in the faimily....ahem..YES   Aren't we all here?  Why are you here?  We all love Porn and playing it out. Damn Internet...blame it on Bill Gates...K? '

Huh...? I'm not a perv.....i'm just here for LadyPacts delicious chocolate chip cookies 

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