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RE: paying ransoms to pirates - 11/22/2009 10:30:56 AM   
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"Level the fucking shithole....... " Mnot post 2

"Those pirates have no respect what so ever for law and order. Only raw and brutal power. Well the yanks got a simple creedo. Send the marines. Every single ship laying off the coast of Somalia in the hands of pirates should find them self suddenly in the presence of a warship, with the apache helicopters hovering above and special ops forces been lowered down from hueyes. The forces under order to shoot first and ask silly questions later. No prisoners to be taken. Some warships stationen in the area with helicopters on board surveying every craft coming of the coast and if they armed like the pirates blast them out of the waters. " Rockspider post 4

"All it needs, is an old time raider, a warship disguised as a merchant ship, lure them in with promises of fat goods to be seized, then drop the hoardings and blast them out of the water. " anerin post 6

"I have to agree with Ron. I would go even farther. I would ask the pirates if they have any family back home, and if they say yes, obliterate their country. "Now MF you wanna play ?'' Termin8tor post 8

"I don't know. Have we done anything with a few of these yet? " (picture of a destroyer) Kirata post 27

"NOW the only option is to clean them out but the real mistake was people that gave in to blackmail in the first place. IF from the very beginning countries had taken the line of the United States there would be no piracy today." (shooting them in the head) Kd sub post 32

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I agree with Kirata. "animus rex post 45

"Personally, I'm partial to a flight of F-18s. At over 1100 MPH, they can get from Point A to Point B quickly enough to actually influence the outcome. Optimally, by blowing the pirate vessel out of the water. The only way this piracy fad is going to be snuffed out is by sinking some of the bastards. No mercy; destroy them. Many of them, often."" Panda post 53




So I am the only one who thinks that way? A consensus of one?

Welcome to the world of trolls who attack on person, even when what they are saying is nonsesne. or unedeucated types who don't know what "consensus" means.

And not a single post saying we have to arrest and give them trials....

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RE: paying ransoms to pirates - 11/22/2009 10:36:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		The poor illiterate shmucks in the boat are by and large not the ones with the money behind these operations.

We're not responsible for the world, but how about giving Somalis viable, living wage jobs? No need to hire out as a pirate then.

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RE: paying ransoms to pirates - 11/22/2009 10:37:11 AM   
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The poor illiterate shmucks in the boat are by and large not the ones with the money behind these operations.

We're not responsible for the world, but how about giving Somalis viable, living wage jobs? No need to hire out as a pirate then.

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RE: paying ransoms to pirates - 11/22/2009 10:37:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Because I am in an equitable mood, I will go further than what I said in post six, blast them out of the water, then, if there are any survivors, pick them up, arrest them, and then try them for being pirates.

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RE: paying ransoms to pirates - 11/22/2009 10:44:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		Wasn't there a massive shitfit the last time a Pirate ship was sank and some idiot did get locked up, though?
Does piracy still carry the death penalty in America? I think it's one of the few remaining offenses that still do over here.

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RE: paying ransoms to pirates - 11/22/2009 10:56:14 AM   
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The poor illiterate shmucks in the boat are by and large not the ones with the money behind these operations.

We're not responsible for the world, but how about giving Somalis viable, living wage jobs? No need to hire out as a pirate then.

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RE: paying ransoms to pirates - 11/22/2009 11:03:29 AM   
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RE: paying ransoms to pirates - 11/22/2009 11:15:07 AM   
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The poor illiterate shmucks in the boat are by and large not the ones with the money behind these operations.

We're not responsible for the world, but how about giving Somalis viable, living wage jobs? No need to hire out as a pirate then.



Why should we "give" them anything?
I don't even want my Taxdollars spent on "food assistance" to Somalia. For what, so their population will double in ten years?
How's about "we" give Americans viable, living wage jobs? How's about our govt. being "humanitarian" to the homeless in this country instead of foreign countries? That's what we're paying our Taxes for.
The shippers hold all the cards here Israel or any other country included. "No arms, no deliveries!"
They'll cave in a week and it will take *another* week or so before deliveries can start again.

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RE: paying ransoms to pirates - 11/22/2009 12:01:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Popeye I never said we (the US) should give them anything. I restate - We (the US) are not responsible for the world.

I think "blowing them out of the water" saves the ship that kills them but there will be more pirates after that. Why not look to the root cause for why people with money can hire them to be thugs??

People who believe in Capitalism think the market can solve everything. Why not create a business that hires people for a decent wage and makes a profit at the same time??

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RE: paying ransoms to pirates - 11/22/2009 12:05:51 PM   
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Sorry, hlen: there's so much liberal bashing in here I couldn't resist.




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RE: paying ransoms to pirates - 11/22/2009 12:24:42 PM   
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Popeye I never said we (the US) should give them anything. I restate - We (the US) are not responsible for the world.

I think "blowing them out of the water" saves the ship that kills them but there will be more pirates after that. Why not look to the root cause for why people with money can hire them to be thugs??

People who believe in Capitalism think the market can solve everything. Why not create a business that hires people for a decent wage and makes a profit at the same time??


While it is true that the place is such a shambles that piracy IS lucrative, however, they DO have the choice to invest their energy into infrastructure development as opposed to becoming robbers, brigands, and murderers.  This of course is a long term solution.

Yet because they have choosen the short term solution of becoming robbers, brigands, and murderers, they should die. 

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RE: paying ransoms to pirates - 11/22/2009 12:30:20 PM   
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because they have choosen the short term solution of becoming robbers, brigands, and murderers, they should die.

If we can just get a few more people to agree, we might have a consensus.

K.

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RE: paying ransoms to pirates - 11/22/2009 12:40:51 PM   
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Popeye I never said we (the US) should give them anything. I restate - We (the US) are not responsible for the world.

I think "blowing them out of the water" saves the ship that kills them but there will be more pirates after that. Why not look to the root cause for why people with money can hire them to be thugs??

People who believe in Capitalism think the market can solve everything. Why not create a business that hires people for a decent wage and makes a profit at the same time??


While it is true that the place is such a shambles that piracy IS lucrative, however, they DO have the choice to invest their energy into infrastructure development as opposed to becoming robbers, brigands, and murderers.  This of course is a long term solution.

Yet because they have choosen the short term solution of becoming robbers, brigands, and murderers, they should die. 


The pirates in the boat don't own the boat. Go after the money-men behind the piracy through the courts, create an infrastructure (hopefully at a profit for the financiers of legitimate business) that creates jobs that people can actually live on.  Everybody wins.

Sometimes short term is all one has to go on. If your family is hungry and desperate enough, you would steal, rob and extort, too.

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RE: paying ransoms to pirates - 11/22/2009 12:48:08 PM   
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While it is true that the place is such a shambles that piracy IS lucrative, however, they DO have the choice to invest their energy into infrastructure development as opposed to becoming robbers, brigands, and murderers.  This of course is a long term solution.




Thats like suggesting minor drug dealers start up multi-national companies. There are several different groups of pirates, some in it for the easy money, others as it is their only source of income. The Somali civil war has been a disater for its people on all levels. Prior to that there was a thriving economy, now it is one of the worlds poorest.


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RE: paying ransoms to pirates - 11/22/2009 12:52:36 PM   
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Sometimes short term is all one has to go on. If your family is hungry and desperate enough, you would steal, rob and extort, too.


When you choose an action, you choose the consequence of that action.  If that was MY situation, then I would be willing to accept the consequences. 

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RE: paying ransoms to pirates - 11/22/2009 12:57:56 PM   
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The pirates in the boat don't own the boat. Go after the money-men behind the piracy

Where did you get that idea? The pirate gangs are predominantly composed of local fishermen...



And thanks to their financially stunning success, they don't need any "money-men" to help them.

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RE: paying ransoms to pirates - 11/22/2009 1:08:09 PM   
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Popeye I never said we (the US) should give them anything. I restate - We (the US) are not responsible for the world.

I think "blowing them out of the water" saves the ship that kills them but there will be more pirates after that. Why not look to the root cause for why people with money can hire them to be thugs??

People who believe in Capitalism think the market can solve everything. Why not create a business that hires people for a decent wage and makes a profit at the same time??


While it is true that the place is such a shambles that piracy IS lucrative, however, they DO have the choice to invest their energy into infrastructure development as opposed to becoming robbers, brigands, and murderers.  This of course is a long term solution.

Yet because they have choosen the short term solution of becoming robbers, brigands, and murderers, they should die. 


The pirates in the boat don't own the boat. Go after the money-men behind the piracy through the courts, create an infrastructure (hopefully at a profit for the financiers of legitimate business) that creates jobs that people can actually live on.  Everybody wins.

Sometimes short term is all one has to go on. If your family is hungry and desperate enough, you would steal, rob and extort, too.



hlen5, but that would be "helping" them.
I don't want to do anything to "help" them, I'm not a "social worker" in case you hadn't noticed.
Courts, lawyers, job creation, and just who's going to pay for all that?
I don't want to see Somalia "do well" I want to see them become extinct.

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RE: paying ransoms to pirates - 11/22/2009 1:37:40 PM   
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The pirates in the boat don't own the boat. Go after the money-men behind the piracy

Where did you get that idea? The pirate gangs are predominantly composed of local fishermen...



And thanks to their financially stunning success, they don't need any "money-men" to help them.

K.



This isnt entirely the case Kirata, there is one group called the Somali Marines, or something similar. They are run on military lines and thought to be a criminal organisation, not just fishermen trying to make a buck. I am sorry but i dont have a link to hand.

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RE: paying ransoms to pirates - 11/22/2009 1:39:46 PM   
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hlen5, but that would be "helping" them.
I don't want to do anything to "help" them, I'm not a "social worker" in case you hadn't noticed.
Courts, lawyers, job creation, and just who's going to pay for all that?
I don't want to see Somalia "do well" I want to see them become extinct.

Ah, so you're not just talking about sinking a few ships or bombing a few ports, you're talking about wiping out every man woman and child in the country.
That would be pretty expensive as well. The US armed forces can't even afford to deal with the situation in Iraq and Afghanistan at the moment.

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RE: paying ransoms to pirates - 11/22/2009 2:14:06 PM   
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hlen5, but that would be "helping" them.
I don't want to do anything to "help" them, I'm not a "social worker" in case you hadn't noticed.
Courts, lawyers, job creation, and just who's going to pay for all that?
I don't want to see Somalia "do well" I want to see them become extinct.

Ah, so you're not just talking about sinking a few ships or bombing a few ports, you're talking about wiping out every man woman and child in the country.
That would be pretty expensive as well. The US armed forces can't even afford to deal with the situation in Iraq and Afghanistan at the moment.


Actually that would be rather inexpensive.  It is the attempt to reduce collateral damage that is expensive. 

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