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RE: Any way to deprogram myself so I am not into BSDM? - 11/23/2009 7:00:22 PM   
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The OP is evidently a clueless individual who simply is looking for attention even if he has to be abusive to get it. Macho and asshole are not synonimous. You are not impressing any one....but are showing why you are lonely and alone. Take some good advice from someone who has been in the lifestyle for a long time and also is a great judge of character "Chill Out"

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RE: Any way to deprogram myself so I am not into BSDM? - 11/23/2009 7:01:24 PM   
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op, i have a shovel, a form, and a grave... let's meet up!

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RE: Any way to deprogram myself so I am not into BSDM? - 11/23/2009 7:03:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kiwisub12

i'm not sure how being recognisable to my neighbours makes my comfort in my Sirs and my relationship invalid. While i applaude your obvious in-your-faceness, some of us have jobs in the public eye that require a certain amount of discretion , and in all probability would be fired if outed to anyone in my organisation.

Your second sentence i don't understand. I think maybe you are referring to photos, and if you are, i agree with you - a 45 year old cannot pass for a 20-something. And i'm not sure why they would. 45 was much nicer than 20-something.

and why do i find it insulting? - go to a pub and ask for advice to stop drinking, or a butcher and ask how to stop eating meat. If you are honest in wanting help, the venue for people positive for an activity or action is not the place to ask how to stop. You don't ask people who are for something how to be agin. Talk about disrespect!

as for the rest of your post - i am glad you are such a hard arse. I'm glad you can be verbally abusive on command. I'm glad you don't give a fig for what others think of you. I'm glad that you are your own man and live the way you want.
As for me, i live with my Sir, in the manner that is pleasing to us, and in such a way as to get along with the neighbours. That is the way we want to live. That is how i pay the bills. To each , his own - and for me , that means a certain discresion. I just hate that you don't like that.

First of all let me correct your misconception i don't like what you do. I am just pointing out that it is not my style. And for the advice seeking about stopping drinking in a pub i can tell you it is a quite often discussion point in them. No more than the day after that the going has been real rough and some of them pops in for a socalled repair kit.
Maybe our disagrement stems more from the actual difference in the background we have or rather the society we are a product of. If a member of our parliament was revealed as enjoying giving his wife (boyfriend or girlfriend) a good spanking or whipping in a consentual context it would raise quite a lot of debate and gossip. However it would never raise the issue about he was competent in his post and therefore should resign. But on the other hand, if he is revealed as a spouse abuser. Well then he clears his desk the same day. Just caught driving under influence will do that. Several cases of that kind, one even of the man who was widely believed to be the next PM. His political carriere was over the day it happened. Ok he is now the editor in chief of a major daily newspaper.
I have lived 20 years of my life in a country where the public etic was much clooser to that of USA than my native Denmark so i am fully aware of the different dynamics. My nick actually reflects that and when i saw yours i did put you down in the same category. Maybe that was an error. I have meet many kiwies in my life and found them to be laid back, easy going with a high level of tolerance for other people. If you don't know what a kiwi is, then it is a New Zealand citizen. Rockspider refers to a somewhat not so flattering name given to the upcountry people of South Africa by the people living on the coast. Specially on holidays where they invade the coast in great hoardes. 18 years residence in Johannesburg makes me a true Rockspider. Sadly enough i was made aware that down under the Aussies use it as slang for paedofile. A group of people i have the same feelings for as 99 % of the worlds population.
I have an exellent relation to all people in my small society where everybody knows everybody. I am known to be a nice friend who due to my tecnical skills is quite handy to have as a friend when you have problems. I certainly had my share of phonecall from people with no electric power in the midlle of the night. So your notions of a hard ass unbending unfriendly guy is wrong. I do have a few hard limits and one of them is that nobody comes to my home and try and force their lifestyle down my troat. Hell i even try and be polite to Jehovahs Witnesses when they knock on my door. Sad for them that they confuse a polite no thanks with a maybe so i have to repeat it. Well third time it is a absolute unpolite "Fuck Off" with the slamming of the door. Even if they try and stick their foot in it.

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RE: Any way to deprogram myself so I am not into BSDM? - 11/24/2009 3:39:34 PM   
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Aversion therapy.   Hook electrodes up to your nipples and when ever you have a dirty BDSM related thought shock yourself.


I could really see that backfiring!



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RE: Any way to deprogram myself so I am not into BSDM? - 11/24/2009 4:18:19 PM   
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BDSM is not normal average behavior...let no one tell you it is and you should just accept it. The very fact that you feel guilty should tell you this lifestyle is not for you.

Get professional help so you can make intelligent choices...do not listen to untrained people that will close this thread and not give a damn for your mental condition.

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RE: Any way to deprogram myself so I am not into BSDM? - 11/24/2009 5:45:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: dumbmonkey

I don't want to be into, and it's not something I'd tell anyone I know. 


You are who you are.

Get to know yourself and be at peace with whoever it is you discover.

Yes, the journey can be scary, but it is also fulfilling, rewarding and enlightening. Good luck.

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RE: Any way to deprogram myself so I am not into BSDM? - 11/24/2009 9:16:30 PM   
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Yes, you can deprogram.  That assumes you were programmed to begin with.  My personal view is that kink isn't inborn, but is learned during the time of sexual maturation - programmed.

The method involves two basic steps.  First figure out how your programming occurred.  Fear of, and/or fascination with, physical items or acts during childhood and continued into adolescence can become enmeshed in one's sexual nature.  The sensual nature of those fantasies lead to reinforcement of the devotion by connecting them with sexual stimulation.  The 'kinks' and 'fetishes', become ingrained.

Sometimes the path to the kink becomes so ingrained that the source can't be identified.  It's easier if the source is known.  If it can't be, it's still possible to precede to the second step.

Most kink and fetishes involve submission and domination.  The second step involves the realization that submission or domination is behind most sexual excitement; other than mechanical stimulation.  Some come to D/s in other ways.  Actions or fetish items are plugged into the urge to dominate or submit, instead of acquiring the kink by growing into it through fascination or fear during sexual maturation.  No matter - it's all about stimulus, response and reinforcement, no matter when or how it occurs.

Close study of one's reactions and responses is necessary to reach the point of acceptance of the role of submission or domination in the kink.

At the time when you understand how you got the way you are, or realize that you were indeed programmed, even if you don't understand how you got programmed, and fully accept the role of submission or domination in your kink, you will be able to leave the kink - if you want to.

However, you may not want to.  You may reach an acceptance of another totally new idea.  You may finally understand that there isn't anything abnormal about your kink.  Nearly every human has some kink or fetish.  Most American men have breast fetishes, for instance.

When you understand your fetishes and or kinks you will realize that the only thing that makes yours a fetish or kink is social acceptance.

Sexual intercourse is a kink.  We become enamored with it, because we're taught that it's something special.  Breast fetishes and sexual intercourse are socially acceptable, for the most part.  When you think about it, 'vanilla' sex is arousal based solely on mechanical stimulation, with no feelings of any other kind contributing to the climax.  Pretty boring and most humans, even those claiming to be 'vanilla' don't imbibe in that form of sexual stimulation, without emotions and passion to enhance the experience.

The understanding of the role of domination and submission makes it difficult to re-program to a socially acceptable kink, if you didn't acquire it during sexual maturation.  That's because no matter what you try to instill into your sensual nature, the realization of the central role of domination or submission displaces any other 'fetish' or 'kink', leaving you alone with your reliance on domination and/or submission to excite your human sexuality.  That basically means you're going to have to rely on your human emotions, feelings, passions, to achieve a satisfying level of sensual excitement.

And, you're left with the problem of social acceptance.  Most social acceptance that inhibits you is simply a denial of the understanding of human nature.  When it affects you, it's a denial of your freedom to enjoy your own humanness as long as it doesn't infringe on another person's right to enjoy their own.

On a final note, domination and submission are integrally involved in the process of human loving.  They are set forth in a formula entitled "The Power Exchange".

There's nothing more exciting in human life than sharing that experience of domination and submission with another human.

Here's hoping you succeed in achieving that human experience and give up the fantasy of denying your humanness for the sake of 'social acceptance'.


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RE: Any way to deprogram myself so I am not into BSDM? - 11/24/2009 9:30:52 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: dumbmonkey

I don't want to be into, and it's not something I'd tell anyone I know. 


Given a decent amount of unethical brainwashing including sleep deprivation, starvation, creation of false memories, etc, sure it's possible. Very few things are hardwired so to speak.

But anything is possible, doesn't mean it should be done, or the cost isn't greater than the benefit.  I'd say the damage it would cause would be far greater than the benefit in this particular case.  I would recommend instead putting on your big boy pants and ignoring what other people think. If they're too close-minded to accept you, for who you are, then fuck them, they aren't worth your time.


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RE: Any way to deprogram myself so I am not into BSDM? - 11/24/2009 9:45:39 PM   
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Why are so many always trying to fit into an image, rather than creating an image that reflects them?It's just downright back-asswards...

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RE: Any way to deprogram myself so I am not into BSDM? - 11/24/2009 11:22:38 PM   
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I wish the OP would come back to add some info. Otherwise it turns into an interesting debate-discussion topic. (and some fascinating things were said so it was well worth reading the thread)

...but those of us who hate mysteries.. sit about wondering--who is this guy? What's the real problem here? Who's Mistress Holly? Did he ever meet her in person.

My answer directly to him would depend on his reply to this question: did you meet Mistress Holly in person?

If so, you have courage. You have the capacity to explore whether or not you want to take this path. And you should confide all your feelings and fears to her. Let her help you.

If you can't bring yourself to meet her in person. If she's offered and you've made excuses or reshedules or you dread that she is soon to ask you. If you know you are not going to be able to do it. Quit now. Study answers here that gave suggestions on how to live without bdsm.



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RE: Any way to deprogram myself so I am not into BSDM? - 11/25/2009 7:59:44 AM   
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quote:

Back here on planet earth I've got to wonder why you would even feel the need to hide it?


I've got to wonder if you really are on planet Earth.

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RE: Any way to deprogram myself so I am not into BSDM? - 11/25/2009 9:26:39 AM   
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you need to get some experimental serum # 114, a bunch of BDSM porn, one of these, and someone to put the eye drops in...



just watch the soundtrack...

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RE: Any way to deprogram myself so I am not into BSDM? - 11/25/2009 10:09:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: hardbodysub
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Back here on planet earth I've got to wonder why you would even feel the need to hide it?


I've got to wonder if you really are on planet Earth.


Exactly.  i didn't understand that reply at all.  Many of us have these things called "jobs" that make it prudent to hide our kink.  Some of us have conservative relatives who we choose to keep our kink from.  Some of us belong to churches where we don't flaunt our kink.

As you stated, i've got to wonder if the original comment was written by someone who actually lives here on Earth.

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RE: Any way to deprogram myself so I am not into BSDM? - 11/25/2009 10:22:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: dumbmonkey
I don't want to be into, and it's not something I'd tell anyone I know. 


It's been a few days, and the OP hasn't returned to add any additional comments, so perhaps these responses are all moot.  But assuming that he is still lurking, here are my thoughts.

Many of us have reasons for not telling those we know about our kink.  That is not so abnormal.  While it may feel like you have a secret life, it is something that many/most in the BDSM community eventually get used to.  It is no different than a gay person being in the closet.

As far as "not wanting to be into" it, well that is a different story.  If you don't want to be into it, then don't.  It's as simple as that.  There is an old saying that goes, "You can't stop the birds from flying over your head, but you CAN stop them from building a nest in your hair".  In other words, you might not be able to stop the thoughts from popping into your mind, but you don't have to dwell on them.

i sometimes see teenage girls wearing revealing clothing, and i find myself being aroused by their nubile young bodies.  But i don't act on it.  That is what being an adult is all about.  We can choose our actions.  We may not be able to prevent the thought from entering our mind, but we have complete control over what we do with the thought.  Frankly, that's what being an adult is all about; making responsible decisions when we are tempted to act irresponsibly.

Before you attempt "deprogramming", try good old "will power" first.  Good luck.

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RE: Any way to deprogram myself so I am not into BSDM? - 11/25/2009 10:47:59 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: dumbmonkey

I don't want to be into, and it's not something I'd tell anyone I know. 


Obviously if you remain on this site,it proves that you are thinking about BDSM. You want to stop? The answer is simple,take time away from this site, relationships you may be involved with and focus on your vanilla life.

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RE: Any way to deprogram myself so I am not into BSDM? - 11/25/2009 11:04:07 AM   
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To the OP
I use to try to be 'normal' for many decades. Each time i got near it...'normal'..i became very depressed and miserable, Normal  was not just about being submissive, it including all areas of my life.  The self-torture I have done just to make myself  fit into the right religion, the right god, the right this or that, has come close to destroying me several times in my life. I wanted to be anything but me, which is really sad.  Enlightment came into rays of knowing here and there, and is still in  process  I have learn that turning my back on myself to please society's norm, will just continue to cripple me inside. I been on a very long journey, and the Goddess has included people in my life certain people to help me embrace all aspects of me, and to stop self imprisoning myself into others' concepts of right or wrong, or normal and abnormal. I thank The Cosmic Being for preventing me from deprograming my true self, which i and society have tried.

I am grateful for the wisdom to know that to have done so would have been them and me programing myself to others false selfs. It sometimes seems to be easier to be of the norm. To fit into society, religious communities, etc beliefs of what is best for us. In doing so, it is an invitation to cut our true self off, and in my humble opinion that is equal to the walking dead. In finding one's true self we cannot look outwards to false egos exclamations of how to be, to think, to feel..etc.
Blessings
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RE: Any way to deprogram myself so I am not into BSDM? - 11/25/2009 11:06:48 AM   
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Some spiritual leaders defag people....you never know unless you ask, they might de-bdsm too

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RE: Any way to deprogram myself so I am not into BSDM? - 11/25/2009 2:07:33 PM   
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Do you get off on mocking others in turmoil?


You infer a lot from the OP's one liner. To me, one liners make no effort to communicate, so they deserve what they get.

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RE: Any way to deprogram myself so I am not into BSDM? - 11/25/2009 7:09:06 PM   
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No. You cannot cure yourself. the smartest thing you can do is find a way to weave it into a balanced life. You cannot erase your sexual desires.

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RE: Any way to deprogram myself so I am not into BSDM? - 11/26/2009 2:09:40 PM   
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Well it seems that once you have enjoyed something from this lifestyle you never can have a vanilla relationship agaoin... not that I would ever want to go vanilla... too much fun

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