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Stunning -> Why be offensive? (3/12/2006 9:52:28 PM)

I was looking at a profile recently and the person made a few comments about being in the south. Basically, she was saying that she was better than the people here (in NC), that we are uncultured and that we are ignorant.

This simply BEGS the question why doesn't she leave? Why on earth would someone who is seeking friends or a relationship start by insulting the locals? And it happens a lot. I have met people from up north and out west who think nothing of insulting the south while they live here. It's almost as if they think we're too stupid to be offended.

Living in NC I know that we lead the world in medical research, computer technology and banking. We also have some of the top universities in the country. And we also say hello to new people and we have great weather.

So for anyone planning to come down and insult your hosts... please... politely stay the fuck out.


(I needed to get that off my chest.)




FangsNfeet -> RE: Why be offensive? (3/12/2006 10:53:54 PM)

Why be offensive?

Hmmmm. Why be nice? Sometimes the truth is offensive. Dose that mean no one can tell the truth? Let's look at some comidians such as Carlos Mancia and Larry the Cable Guy. You can even look at Howard Stern. Most of everything they say is what we've been thinking the whole time.

As for the persons profile that you are telling us about, how would we know the answer? You need to ask her yourself.




truesub4u -> RE: Why be offensive? (3/12/2006 11:01:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Stunning

I was looking at a profile recently and the person made a few comments about being in the south. Basically, she was saying that she was better than the people here (in NC), that we are uncultured and that we are ignorant.



Living in NC I know that we lead the world in medical research, computer technology and banking. We also have some of the top universities in the country. And we also say hello to new people and we have great weather.




(I needed to get that off my chest.)


Do not know what part of NC you're in... but our weather sucks!... lol

It's barely the middle of March and it's been in the 80's a few times already this year. Gonna be damn hot this summer.. and not looking forward to Electric bill to cover that damn AC... LOL

As for our so called Winter..got cold a few times... but I had to come on internet to hear others bitch about snow to even remember it was winter... <smiles>

But you're right.. NC is a lovely state to run around in. If someones not happy.. feel free to seek your closest border and step across it... thank you and enjoy your visit.

Oh 1 last statement.... we only partly look ignorant.. because our news reporters love picking out the Biggest Redneck looking SOB who swears they seen it all.. <Think of the Song Third Rock From The Sun here yall... work with me... lol> In front of that Camera.. and pull some dang ole southern accent out of their butt.. and tell what all they think they did see.... <wanders off before she forgets she's in NC too... lol>





imtempting -> RE: Why be offensive? (3/12/2006 11:12:18 PM)

Well she is not really offending the locals as local to her would be in the southern states would it not..




NakedOnMyChain -> RE: Why be offensive? (3/13/2006 8:50:32 AM)

I agree with you. I don't see the need to be rude if there are other options. It certainly won't win this person any friends. Unfortunately, though, every place on the planet has a village idiot. I, for one, love North Carolina. It's beautiful.




Moloch -> RE: Why be offensive? (3/13/2006 9:16:59 AM)

You know I live here in NY state, when ever someone says something mean or nasty about south, I right away mention to them that New Yor State was the first state to legalize first cousin marriages.




Lordandmaster -> RE: Why be offensive? (3/13/2006 9:40:34 AM)

Maybe if us crude uncultured Yanks saw fewer stars-and-bars bumper stickers every time we take a vacation down South, we'd set aside our crude uncultured prejudices about Southern culture.

We might also take more vacations down South, too.




Moloch -> RE: Why be offensive? (3/13/2006 10:04:47 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Maybe if us crude uncultured Yanks saw fewer stars-and-bars bumper stickers every time we take a vacation down South, we'd set aside our crude uncultured prejudices about Southern culture.

We might also take more vacations down South, too.


What is your problem with them flying the flag? Their forefathers lost entire generation of youn and old men for the right to fly that flag. There are 258,000 confederates in the ground that gave their lives under that flag and thats not counting the wounded. The right to fly that flag was earned in blood.
And dont give me that "Its a Racist thing" crap, we commited mass genocide on the indian population under the federal flag.





yourMissTress -> RE: Why be offensive? (3/13/2006 10:08:48 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Maybe if us crude uncultured Yanks saw fewer stars-and-bars bumper stickers every time we take a vacation down South, we'd set aside our crude uncultured prejudices about Southern culture.

We might also take more vacations down South, too.


I moved here to TN about 9 months ago. The love of my life lives here, as well as his son, so we are tied to the south for at least another 12 years.

I was and still am shocked by the number of confederate flags I see EVERYWHERE. Not just on bumper stickers. And, if you drive about 15 miles from my house, you will see in someone's front yard a memorial, yep I said memorial and mean a huge freaking STATUE glorifying and memorializing the founder of the KKK. And at night it's lit up.

Now, all that being said, I'm a yankee, from a small town in Wisconsin. Which happens to be the hometown and final resting place of Senator Joseph McCarthy. Nothing at all that I'm proud of, just a fact. And there are people in that town that have put an exhibit dedicated to him in the county museum. I hope that no one assumes that because there are memorials to him in my home town that I share the feelings of those who chose to erect such.

So, should the very public displays of stupidity by a few reflect on all? No. But there is always some truth in a stereotype.




Moloch -> RE: Why be offensive? (3/13/2006 10:28:35 AM)


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ORIGINAL: yourMissTress


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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Maybe if us crude uncultured Yanks saw fewer stars-and-bars bumper stickers every time we take a vacation down South, we'd set aside our crude uncultured prejudices about Southern culture.

We might also take more vacations down South, too.


I moved here to TN about 9 months ago. The love of my life lives here, as well as his son, so we are tied to the south for at least another 12 years.

I was and still am shocked by the number of confederate flags I see EVERYWHERE. Not just on bumper stickers. And, if you drive about 15 miles from my house, you will see in someone's front yard a memorial, yep I said memorial and mean a huge freaking STATUE glorifying and memorializing the founder of the KKK. And at night it's lit up.

Now, all that being said, I'm a yankee, from a small town in Wisconsin. Which happens to be the hometown and final resting place of Senator Joseph McCarthy. Nothing at all that I'm proud of, just a fact. And there are people in that town that have put an exhibit dedicated to him in the county museum. I hope that no one assumes that because there are memorials to him in my home town that I share the feelings of those who chose to erect such.

So, should the very public displays of stupidity by a few reflect on all? No. But there is always some truth in a stereotype.



Saying that only racist fly the confederate flag is like saying Black people like chicken wings and water melons.




RosaB -> RE: Why be offensive? (3/13/2006 10:48:46 AM)

mmmmmmm, chicken wings and watermelon, can't get enough of either. Not a good analogy, most black, "that I know," people and just many people in the south, love water melon and chicken wings. Note the number of hot wing joints in the south and up north.

People will always feel a need to believe they are superior to others in some form or another. And thankfully there will always be others to put them in their rightful place.




IronBear -> RE: Why be offensive? (3/13/2006 10:49:19 AM)

I'm just a dumb Aussie, born and bred. When in Western Australia, one of the flags which adorned my home on the 10 acre property was the Stars and bars.. Why you may well ask? because I have family fight for the South.... Yeah I'm a Johny Reb at heart and honour the boys in grey. (Had a few misguided family fight for the Yankees too but that is another story.... )




JohnWarren -> RE: Why be offensive? (3/13/2006 10:54:13 AM)

As I said in another note stream, one of the nice things about freedom of speech is that it allows people with some specific viewpoints to identify themselves... so we can decide if we want to be in their company.

I will admit to a few qualms when arriving in North Carolina in 1980, to take up teaching at East Carolina University, I came across a full sized billboard with a cloaked figure on it and the words "Welcome to North Carolina, This is Klan Country." The sign was just across the border from the end of the West Virginia Turnpike.

Fortunately, that was the most obvious racist thing I encountered in the years I lived there. Usually it was much more subtle




truesub4u -> RE: Why be offensive? (3/13/2006 10:57:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Moloch

Saying that only racist fly the confederate flag is like saying Black people like chicken wings and water melons.



Not seeing s ingle racist remark in Misstress's post.. you need to rethink quoting her.

And so what if Blacks like CHICKEN.. not just the damn wings.. lol.. and watermelon... so do other folks. If you're gonna use an example.. say Chitlins!!!!... wait.. i'm white.. and like them too....

This in my opinion.. is not the OPs intent on to start another Civil war... it doesn't matter if the OP was refering to the South.. or the North. It was I think... intented for all... not a chosen one. Being in NC.. I can see why NC was chosen as the OPs place of origin to start.

So it don't matter where the hell you are... if where you are offends you... LEAVE.




truesub4u -> RE: Why be offensive? (3/13/2006 11:02:14 AM)

LOL Mr Warren.. first mistake.. ECU... and not Duke.. <ok a little bias between the two... lol>

Coming off the turn pike of West By God Virginia... close relatives up that way between the states... not of mine though. And even those of us from here 95% of us that is.. would of found that offensive too. Even back in 1980. I for one will not appologize for anothers ignorance on that.... but will say I hope other than that.. you found the state of NC more pleasurable.

Even those of us around the ignorant ones.. have to over look things... and remember.. Freedom of speech... and expression. (and also hope that sign is no longer there)




Lordandmaster -> RE: Why be offensive? (3/13/2006 6:19:58 PM)

Because it's an emblem that is inseparable from slavery, and I don't see any honor or glory in dying for a war that was waged for the right to keep slaves. The federal flag has many other connotations besides just massacring Indians. The confederate flag has no other connotations besides the failed attempt to secede from the Union and declare a Slave State.

Your response is a good example of why Southern attitudes bring on a major image problem. When I see people who take pride in the fact that their ancestors died for the right to keep slaves, I am, shall we say, not as impressed as they think I ought to be. If my great-great-grandfather had fought for the C.S.A. at Antietam or whatever, I wouldn't celebrate it. (In fact, my grandfather fought in WW I, my uncle in WW II, and my father in the Korean War, so I have SOME claim to descend from a family that has contributed a few things to our free nation.)

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ORIGINAL: Moloch

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Maybe if us crude uncultured Yanks saw fewer stars-and-bars bumper stickers every time we take a vacation down South, we'd set aside our crude uncultured prejudices about Southern culture.

We might also take more vacations down South, too.


What is your problem with them flying the flag? Their forefathers lost entire generation of youn and old men for the right to fly that flag. There are 258,000 confederates in the ground that gave their lives under that flag and thats not counting the wounded. The right to fly that flag was earned in blood.
And dont give me that "Its a Racist thing" crap, we commited mass genocide on the indian population under the federal flag.





truesub4u -> RE: Why be offensive? (3/13/2006 7:31:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Because it's an emblem that is inseparable from slavery, and I don't see any honor or glory in dying for a war that was waged for the right to keep slaves. The federal flag has many other connotations besides just massacring Indians. The confederate flag has no other

What is your problem with them flying the flag? Their forefathers lost entire generation of youn and old men for the right to fly that flag. There are 258,000 confederates in the ground that gave their lives under that flag and thats not counting the wounded. The right to fly that flag was earned in blood.
And dont give me that "Its a Racist thing" crap, we commited mass genocide on the indian population under the federal flag.





OMFG... Re-read history books please.... Civil War was NOT ONLY about the right to maintain slaves. Is that all everyone learned from the Civil War?????

It was a War of Rebellion..... War Of Secession.... War for Southern Independence.. I know slavery was involved.. played for SOME a major role.. but NOT it's the sole reason!




angelic -> RE: Why be offensive? (3/13/2006 7:45:07 PM)

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OMFG... Re-read history books please.... Civil War was NOT ONLY about the right to maintain slaves. Is that all everyone learned from the Civil War?????


there were really beautiful dresses then too!!! (sorry true... just trying to lighten the mood) [8D]




truesub4u -> RE: Why be offensive? (3/13/2006 8:06:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: angelic


there were really beautiful dresses then too!!! (sorry true... just trying to lighten the mood) [8D]



LOL to have a figure like Vivien Leigh .... the dresses were beautiful indeed.




Lordandmaster -> RE: Why be offensive? (3/13/2006 8:39:57 PM)

Yes, I've read the history books. It was a war of rebellion--because the Union was going to prevent the South from keeping slaves. It was a war of secession--because the Union was going to prevent the South from keeping slaves. It was a war of Southern independence--because the Union was going to prevent the South from keeping slaves.

Want to continue with the other lame apologist theories that have been bandied about? It was a war pitting two irreconcilable economies against each other. Right. One of them was a slave economy. It was a war for Southern honor. Right. Southern honor was stained because the Union was going to prevent the South from keeping slaves. It was a war over electoral votes in the new territories. Right. The South seceded because the addition of free states would destroy its stranglehold on Congress--and then the Union would prevent the South from keeping slaves.

The Civil War was about slavery. No ifs ands or buts about it, and only Southern revisionists ever try to deny it. (That is, after all, why us crude uncultured Yankee types dislike seeing the Stars and Bars when we're on vacation in places like the Outer Banks.) Here's the acid test: if the Union had made ANY kind of compromise that would have allowed slavery to continue in the South, there would never have been a secession and therefore no Civil War. The Union knew this, too. War could easily have been avoided--at the cost of keeping the Slave State in place.

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ORIGINAL: truesub4u

OMFG... Re-read history books please.... Civil War was NOT ONLY about the right to maintain slaves. Is that all everyone learned from the Civil War?????

It was a War of Rebellion..... War Of Secession.... War for Southern Independence.. I know slavery was involved.. played for SOME a major role.. but NOT it's the sole reason!





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