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RE: If Corrupt Democrats Kill the Public Option, It’s... - 12/1/2009 10:31:50 AM   
FatDomDaddy


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So Republicans set the precedent and the Democrats confirmed it.

The Democrats could have stopped it but they didn't because they wanted to bottle up Bush anyway they could.

Now you have Senate Republican's doing the same thing.

And this is all nonsense about crossing Party Lines... The Red State Democrat Senators who are up for re-election know the first two rules of politics quite well, 1) Get elected, 2) Stay elected. The do not "stay elected" if there is a Public Option in the Health Care Reform Law, wether they voted for it or not, period, end of story. Voting against the Public Option is what their electorate wants of them. So... if a Health Care Act is passed without a Public Option, it will be beacuse the Liberal Senator's decided to forgo thier opposition to a bill without one. It will not be Harry Reid's fault, it would be the fault of the Senators who themselves vowed not to support a Reform Act, unless it had a Public Option attached.


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RE: If Corrupt Democrats Kill the Public Option, It’s... - 12/1/2009 11:57:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well quite. Public healthcare is a terrible idea. That's why no country outside of America has it.

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RE: If Corrupt Democrats Kill the Public Option, It’s... - 12/1/2009 12:55:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Moon, but is what is on the table now, actually public health care? Doesn't look like it to me.

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RE: If Corrupt Democrats Kill the Public Option, It’s... - 12/1/2009 1:11:35 PM   
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Let's not try to backpedal and change the parameters, your ridiculous statement was that all laws are backed by state-sanctioned violence.

Now you are trying to change the discussion by saying I said compliance with laws should be voluntary.

Care to offer more lies?



I'd like for you to expound on your belief that the statement that "all laws are backed by state-sanctioned violence" is "ridiculous".

If a law has a negative consequence, then it is (in the final analysis) enforced by the States monopoly on violence in a society, isn't it?

In fact, you can really just say that government is based on the monopolization of legal violence by "the State".

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RE: If Corrupt Democrats Kill the Public Option, It’s... - 12/1/2009 1:15:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh, you take a bridge too far, Firm. Violence and incarceration are two different things. You may indeed call lethal injection or electrocution violence, but padding down to the courthouse to listen to some fuckwad read boilerplate and fining you for a dooie ain't violence in the same way that enhanced interrogation is torture. To much hyperbole for my money.

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RE: If Corrupt Democrats Kill the Public Option, It’s... - 12/1/2009 1:26:37 PM   
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Oh, you take a bridge too far, Firm. Violence and incarceration are two different things. You may indeed call lethal injection or electrocution violence, but padding down to the courthouse to listen to some fuckwad read boilerplate and fining you for a dooie ain't violence in the same way that enhanced interrogation is torture. To much hyperbole for my money.

Ron

So ... if the violence is only slight, it isn't really violence?

If only a little force (or threat of force) is required, it isn't really coercion?

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RE: If Corrupt Democrats Kill the Public Option, It’s... - 12/1/2009 1:33:35 PM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		if its only a little lie then it isn't an invasion?
if he quit before he was actually voted he isn't impeached?
if he actually presided over the largest expansion of government in history, is he still a conservative?

I do hear you Firm, and I don't know how many grains of sand it takes to make a pile of it a pile or not a pile.....

It is fairly subjective.

Coercion is subjective, because I give my daughter a withering look and speak in forbidding tones to insure she completes her homework, is that violence?

My dog in the fight is not a big one, as you see......... I am up in the air about it. But I thought corrupt democrats were pussies all this time, I was unaware that corruption equated to violence in all cases.

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RE: If Corrupt Democrats Kill the Public Option, It’s... - 12/1/2009 2:19:55 PM   
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Moon, but is what is on the table now, actually public health care? Doesn't look like it to me.

Not really, no. On the other hand, is there any way in hell they could get a rational public system through both houses with the republicans and the insurance companies both throwing shitfits and spreading lies? This is probably as close as you can get at the moment, and maybe it's going to be possible to get there in stages.

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RE: If Corrupt Democrats Kill the Public Option, It’s... - 12/9/2009 5:27:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I guess it's all Harry. Public option is out of the Senate version of health care reform. I guess that the democrats listened to their constituants after all. Re election means everything to these guys. I do have one big question though . In the Senate version, medicare will cover 50 million more. You will be covered at age 55 instead of 65 as it is now. How will this be accomplished when 460 million will be cut from medicare ? Go Harry...

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RE: If Corrupt Democrats Kill the Public Option, It’s... - 12/9/2009 6:12:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		What is on the table now is a backdoor to the public option. There are triggers to be set by a health czar for implementation of the public option. If they were serious about no public option even temporarily then they would make the trigger subject to Congressional approval at the time. As it is, total bs. Hopefully Lieberman and some blue dogs will recognize it for what it is.

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RE: If Corrupt Democrats Kill the Public Option, It’s... - 12/9/2009 6:16:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree. I also think that it is DOA..

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RE: If Corrupt Democrats Kill the Public Option, It’s... - 12/9/2009 6:18:55 PM   
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I agree. I also think that it is DOA..


As will many, many of us be if we continue to allow the insurance companies to play the games that made this action necessary.


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RE: If Corrupt Democrats Kill the Public Option, It’s... - 12/9/2009 6:45:31 PM   
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RE: If Corrupt Democrats Kill the Public Option, It’s... - 12/14/2009 5:01:09 AM   
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How do we get over being bi-polar as a country?


I repeat,
How do we get over being bi-polar as a country?

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RE: If Corrupt Democrats Kill the Public Option, It’s... - 12/14/2009 9:53:16 AM   
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How do we get over being bi-polar as a country?


I repeat,
How do we get over being bi-polar as a country?



We don't. This will never change. We're a nation of lunatics, and I see no reason to believe it will ever get anything but worse.


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