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If Corrupt Democrats Kill the Public Option, It’s All... - 11/24/2009 12:05:22 AM   
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I hate to start another thread on healthcare but it's important because people are unfortunately needlessly dying. My understanding is Democrats can still pass a bill with a strong public option if they use reconciliation because then they only need 51 votes. I have come to the conclusion, if my opinion means anything; Obama needs to pass a health care bill with a strong public option to be worthy of being re-elected.

It's really hard to believe that for a paltry few million dollars, probably not even five million dollars, up to 50,000 Americans die every year so insurance companies can make obscene profits. I don't know how American people have a reputation for being generous when fellow citizens are treated in such an inhumane despicable way – shameful. Actually I do, most of the rest of the world doesn’t know.

This website in my opinion, with these three stories, has an excellent description of the facts or truth as it now stands:


If Corrupt Democrats Kill the Public Option, It’s All Harry

The Caucus of Corruption – Blanche Lincoln, Mary Landrieu, Ben Nelson, and Joe Lieberman – have made it abundantly clear that they will filibuster the public option, despite the fact clear majorities of Americans and Congress support it.

So, what’s a Majority Leader to do? After all, he is the leader of the majority. Harry Reid can let a thoroughly corrupt minority of his caucus block majority rule, or he can do what needs to be done to get around the Caucus of Corruption.


http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/11/23/if-corrupt-democrats-kill-the-public-option-its-all-harry/




It’s Harry Reid’s Choice Reconciliation = Majority Rule

As the majority leader of the Senate, the power to pass a public option is squarely in Harry Reid’s hands. Will he let three or four corrupt Senators owned by the insurance industry hold the public option hostage? Or will he use the reconciliation process to allow a simple, democratic majority rule?

During debate in the Senate this weekend, a handful of corrupt Democratic senators like Blanche Lincoln and Mary Landrieu, who have taken big donations from insurance companies, promised to vote against health care if it included a public option.

We know who they are working for — the insurance companies who want to kill the public option once and for all. Goldman Sachs expects insurance stocks to rise by 59% in 10 years if there is no public option, but drop by 36% if there is one. That’s what happens when nobody likes your product. Their fat profits depend on being the only game in town.

http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/11/23/its-harry-reids-choice-reconciliation-majority-rule/


Campaign Contributions From Insurance Companies to Senators Blocking the Public Option

Here’s how much they have raked in this year:

Ben Nelson $63,000

Mary Landrieu $10,500

Blanche Lincoln: $112,500

Joe Lieberman: $5,500


http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/11/22/campaign-contributions-from-insurance-companies-to-senators-blocking-the-public-option/



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RE: If Corrupt Democrats Kill the Public Option, It’s... - 11/24/2009 1:06:35 AM   
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Keiths' Worst Person today is what I mean by shame, Teabaggers reach a new low.

YouTube - Olbermann: Teabag Leader Worst Person in the World
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7FVXAbYhpU

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RE: If Corrupt Democrats Kill the Public Option, It’s... - 11/24/2009 1:32:59 AM   
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Here is another link on the teabaggers.

Sort of reminds you of when you were in grade school and the teacher left the room.

Truly fine, upstanding people. 

Midge Hough and the Chicago Tea Party Patriots

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RE: If Corrupt Democrats Kill the Public Option, It’s... - 11/24/2009 1:50:35 AM   
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can't even stay on your own topic....

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RE: If Corrupt Democrats Kill the Public Option, It’s... - 11/24/2009 1:53:52 AM   
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quote:

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can't even stay on your own topic....


Uhhhhhhhhhh?..............It's not my topic.

Or haven't you mastered the reply feature yet?

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RE: If Corrupt Democrats Kill the Public Option, It’s... - 11/24/2009 5:20:24 AM   
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I don't know how American people have a reputation for being generous when fellow citizens are treated in such an inhumane despicable way – shameful. Actually I do, most of the rest of the world doesn’t know.

Not an attempt at snark, but are you sure Americans have a reputation for generosity? That isn't one I've ever heard before.

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RE: If Corrupt Democrats Kill the Public Option, It’s... - 11/24/2009 6:17:08 AM   
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Well, we used to send 100's of millions in AID to other countries for natural disasters and such, so at one point we where. 

There is also another web site for following the money for every elected official, if you follow the money from the insurance industry, you will find that those who get the most money are voting NO, Yea, that is listening to the people in your district.

http://www.opensecrets.org/index.php


Most polls show 70% of the people in this country want  a public option, hell that is one of the reasons O'bama got elected.  But money talks in this country


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RE: If Corrupt Democrats Kill the Public Option, It’s... - 11/24/2009 8:22:21 AM   
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Maybe this bill is just way to expensive ? Maybe they know that their constituents do not like the bill ? Maybe they are worried that the seniors will revolt when 500 billion will be cut from medicare ? Maybe they are worried about being re elected in 2010 ? Maybe it is just a bad bill all the way around ?

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RE: If Corrupt Democrats Kill the Public Option, It’s... - 11/24/2009 10:53:56 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: housesub4you

Well, we used to send 100's of millions in AID to other countries for natural disasters and such, so at one point we where. 

There is also another web site for following the money for every elected official, if you follow the money from the insurance industry, you will find that those who get the most money are voting NO, Yea, that is listening to the people in your district.

http://www.opensecrets.org/index.php


Most polls show 70% of the people in this country want  a public option, hell that is one of the reasons O'bama got elected.  But money talks in this country



We are still the most generous country in the world, and no, polls dont show that 70% of the people in the country want a public option. Read the questions. Thats not what they say.

When the question is asked about what is actually in the bills here is the result:

"Earlier in the week, after pollsters for NBC dropped the word "choice" from their question on a public option, they found that only 43 percent of the public were in favor of "creating a public health care plan administered by the federal government that would compete directly with private health insurance companies."



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RE: If Corrupt Democrats Kill the Public Option, It’s... - 11/24/2009 11:02:47 AM   
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But why remove the word "choice" willbeur?Has choice itself been removed? Of course not....so the inclusion of the word seems proper,does it not?

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RE: If Corrupt Democrats Kill the Public Option, It’s... - 11/24/2009 11:11:26 AM   
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Some of us have actually read portions of the bill. Those that have know there's is no "choice" at all. I suspect you haven't and don't want to as failure of the bill would mean you'd actually have to pay your own way in this world as opposed to someone else being forced through the action of government fines, jail time and eventual violence to do what you should do for yourself.

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RE: If Corrupt Democrats Kill the Public Option, It’s... - 11/24/2009 11:22:04 AM   
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You either didn't watch the video or you deliberately want to mislead people. How you can say that video link by Keith Olbermann on MSNBC has nothing to do with healthcare is ridiculous. That woman lost her baby because she had no access to healthcare. And what that teabag woman did saying her story was fictitious and lying about her is despicable.

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can't even stay on your own topic....


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RE: If Corrupt Democrats Kill the Public Option, It’s... - 11/24/2009 11:41:29 AM   
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I think they're apes and they belong in a cage - no offense to apes.

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Here is another link on the teabaggers.

Sort of reminds you of when you were in grade school and the teacher left the room.

Truly fine, upstanding people. 

Midge Hough and the Chicago Tea Party Patriots



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RE: If Corrupt Democrats Kill the Public Option, It’s... - 11/24/2009 11:45:07 AM   
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quote:

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Most polls show 70% of the people in this country want  a public option, hell that is one of the reasons O'bama got elected.  But money talks in this country



"Earlier in the week, after pollsters for NBC dropped the word "choice" from their question on a public option, they found that only 43 percent of the public were in favor of "creating a public health care plan administered by the federal government that would compete directly with private health insurance companies."



so it says that 27% of people who were fucking dumb enough to fuck around with answering meaningless polls cannot cogitate at or above a 4th grade level, and I think that is about the only significant fact uncovered by the poll.

Choice is a 'good' word. 70% agree.

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RE: If Corrupt Democrats Kill the Public Option, It’s... - 11/24/2009 1:50:03 PM   
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Some of us have actually read portions of the bill. Those that have know there's is no "choice" at all. I suspect you haven't and don't want to as failure of the bill would mean you'd actually have to pay your own way in this world as opposed to someone else being forced through the action of government fines, jail time and eventual violence to do what you should do for yourself.
If your willingness to make assumptions where my situation is concerned is any evidence of the due dilligence you bring to the table....I need say no more.
But since keeping my mouth shut is not my strong suit......I have insurance.....I have allways had insurance.
I pay my own way.......I have allways paid my own way
Any other baseless and unfounded jibes you need to throw ?
By the way,do you allways form your opinions by reading "portions of the bill"?
Typical reactionary knuckle dragger.

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RE: If Corrupt Democrats Kill the Public Option, It’s... - 11/24/2009 3:29:19 PM   
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Some of us have actually read portions of the bill. Those that have know there's is no "choice" at all. I suspect you haven't and don't want to as failure of the bill would mean you'd actually have to pay your own way in this world as opposed to someone else being forced through the action of government fines, jail time and eventual violence to do what you should do for yourself.


Eventual violence? do expland please. I have read the bill. Im interested in understanding what you read that i missed.

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RE: If Corrupt Democrats Kill the Public Option, It’s... - 11/24/2009 4:57:01 PM   
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Sure they do, Jerry Lewis raises record amounts of money for muscular dystrophy every year and that's only one example there are many more.


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I don't know how American people have a reputation for being generous when fellow citizens are treated in such an inhumane despicable way – shameful. Actually I do, most of the rest of the world doesn’t know.

Not an attempt at snark, but are you sure Americans have a reputation for generosity? That isn't one I've ever heard before.


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RE: If Corrupt Democrats Kill the Public Option, It’s... - 11/24/2009 5:23:01 PM   
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Maybe it's Joe Lieberman, who received over $1 million in campaign contributions from the insurance industry last year. Joe Lieberman's main aim is to kill the bill and he will do or say or lie in order for that to happen. Joe Lieberman is a lost cause. The real problem is if Democrats pass a health care bill with a strong public option their numbers improve and they will have a better chance of being re-elected.

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Maybe this bill is just way to expensive ? Maybe they know that their constituents do not like the bill ? Maybe they are worried that the seniors will revolt when 500 billion will be cut from medicare ? Maybe they are worried about being re elected in 2010 ? Maybe it is just a bad bill all the way around ?

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Maybe this bill is just way to expensive ? Maybe they know that their constituents do not like the bill ? Maybe they are worried that the seniors will revolt when 500 billion will be cut from medicare ? Maybe they are worried about being re elected in 2010 ? Maybe it is just a bad bill all the way around ?

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RE: If Corrupt Democrats Kill the Public Option, It’s... - 11/24/2009 5:28:46 PM   
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Because you don't know what you are talking about.....Budgets and Wars can be filibustered

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RE: If Corrupt Democrats Kill the Public Option, It’s... - 11/24/2009 6:37:27 PM   
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More 'change' coming your way Brain. 34,000 additional troops going to Afganistan..

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