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RE: Question - 11/25/2009 3:19:24 PM   
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It seems like it's been good feedback so far even though I haven't been able to sit and read the whole thread. Lots of great points had been brought out and I think if an honest assessment is taken and actions proceed from that, the OP and her partner can get past this into a better place.

That being said, I have hit the relationship status wall too. Man, that one hurt! It was at a particularly vulnerable time when I had someone whispering in my ear that my partner was not a good person and that I was just a side dish. The fact of the matter was that there was a poaching attempt occuring. Add to the relationship status that he was adding friends that were female submissives who lived closer to him than me and I flew into a totally mess. I am not listed on ANY of his profiles and still am not. We sorted through the reasons he handled things the way he did, who these girls were, and he left the door open for me to discuss any concerns that arose from the way he was choosing to conduct his affairs. I have had to abide by rules to keep his privacy intact as well. If one looks on my CM profile, his screename is never mentioned, nor is it mentioned on these boards. I also do not call him by an honorific at this time because he has stated that is reserved for after I am collared. The thing is that I trust him and he trusts me. We learned to trust each other by things that put us on the spot.

I do understand the impulse to not want to be someone's dirty little secret. I ran up against this too. I haven't had opportunity to be a part of his circles due to our distance. I haven't met his folks, though I am told that will be happening shortly after the holidays. As it turned out, I was more out in the open than I knew. My partner is one to take things slow and he wasn't about to get all gushy about some girl and then have to take it all back when it fell through. I will say that he had been burned pretty badly in the past and has since become much more cautious and plays everything much closer to the vest. He has been slow to open himself up to me and has had to come to trust me just as much as I have had to learn to trust him. If it is as good as you say, OP, then your relationship will heal him over time. Give it time. Trust him. If he has not earned your trust after 6 months and so much communication and seeing each other, then you need to ask yourself why that is.

I have never been a big fan of disappearing acts, however. I have had a few in my relationship, always a situation where he was sick or had to attend to a family emergency, but I had to let him know that those periods really upset me. I don't need much. I just needed to know he was okay and that we were okay. Something like: "I am sick and will see you in a couple of days when I'm feeling better. Love you." That's all. I have always provided the same unless it was an internet issue, before we started using the phone more. Sudden disappearance breed insecurity more often than it does anything constructive. I encourage folks to refrain from such behavior.

In the wake of all this, I think it is clear there are some SOP (standard operating procedures) and rules that should be discussed. Once you have accepted how each will handle something like displaying a relationship status, it is done. If there comes a time to revisit it (like you move in together or get married/collared, etc.), then it can be revised. Until then, it is settle and not to be brought up a thousand different ways over and over again. When a quiet time is needed, you can both understand that there will be a way it will be communicated and limits to the duration. Maybe you agree that no one is to up and disappear for more than 24 hours without some form of communication stating why and for how long. You may also need a "clause" of sorts stating that if an absence has to be extended, say a month or more, that updates will be provided say weekly. These are just things off the top of my head. Let him tell you what is acceptable to put up on his profile pages and what is not. If you don't understand why it has to be the way he tells you, then ask. He may or may not wish to provide you with a reason and either way you are going to have to be okay with that. There is nothing wrong with requesting what you feel will bring you a level of understanding and peace and give you direction. Setting out these things will also lead into a lot of good, healing, and even growth inducing conversation that reaches far beyond the scope of the "rules" you are making. I don't believe seeking guidance and expressing your needs, wants, and desires to be a bad thing for a submissive person to do. Dominants aren't mind readers, though sometimes it seems that way. LOL

I wish all the best for you both and hope you can work through all this together and in a way that allows you to grow only ever closer.

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RE: Question - 11/25/2009 9:45:37 PM   
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Just try telling him something like "I love you" next time you see him and a lot of the tension will melt away.


omg lol

He knows i do, but i don't have the guts to say it in person.

Saying "I love you" CAN be a good thing. Though it can also end a relationship. Be VERY careful before doing that.

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RE: Question - 11/27/2009 8:24:07 AM   
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Sounds like this guy is in "teenage mode".....going through something tough and so de-bunks into his own World.......So you are not ready to say those three magic words out loud.....However, BDSM is all about respect/loyalty/trust/being open.....When someone ignores another.....It is hurtful and smacks on being selfish and ignorant.

Teen-like men have no place in BDSM........Or having the valuable trust of any worthy sub.

Just a thought.......And as for you being bitching, etc.....Go Girl!

We may be Subs, but we have feelings.....we aint Robots

Take Care

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RE: Question - 11/27/2009 7:58:47 PM   
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Fast Reply -

I saw that at least one other person mentioned this, so sorry to be repetitive, but I think it bears repeating.

After 6 months, he thinks you are pushing for a "relationship?" As you even said yourself, you ARE in a relationship! Now does that mean you are exclusive in that relationship? Only you and he know that, and I would hope that it had been discussed before now. If you both have agreed that you aren't seeing anyone else, what the hell do the two of you have if not a relationship? Look there are commitment issues here obviously. But realistically, if after all this time, he thinks you are pushing because you want him to "admit" he isn't single on his Facebook profile (and yes, removing the status entirely should have been enough), then his commitment issues are pretty big.

Can you work it out? If you both want to, sure. But you have to really have "the talk." You need to be upfront about your expectations and he needs to be clear about his. It sounds like you want him to openly admit that you are in an exclusive, intimate relationship. I don't see that as a lot to ask. You seem to also need to be able to express your feelings to him. So what does HE need? Does he need to NOT be in an exclusive intimate relationship? Does he need to not have to express his feelings to you? It isn't all about what you need (and yes, I realize that you didn't say it was). A compromise should be able to be reached here. But you also have to remember that while it isn't all about you, if he can't admit to an exclusive relationship that includes introducing you to his friends and family as his "girlfriend," you aren't going to be happy and then it IS about what you need, and you should take a step back and see if this is what you really want.

I wish you luck.

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RE: Question - 11/27/2009 8:50:17 PM   
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From what i have read of this thread, it sounds as though he is still guarding his heart, and is still holding a small part of himself back. Possibly, he is even as scared of letting someone in, and ending up being rejected and heartbroken as you are.

i certainly don't condone the shutting-out treatment that he gave you- that seems to me like a bit of a cop-out - he chose to freeze you out for a period rather than be up front about feeling pushed for a commitment.

It is good, however, that he can identify and admit that he has a fear of commitment due to seeing his parents miserable and not wanting history to repeat itself, so fair play to him :)


If you are still feeling uncertain as to whether he will EVER settle down, ask him this... "Do You ever see Yourself settling down and letting someone in permanently??" It can't hurt to ask the hard question. Granted, you may not get the answer you want to hear, but at least you will know where you are, if he can think about someone on a long-term basis - ever. :)

i hope this helps, i'm not trying to pee on your parade, just lookin' out for you :)

katey :)

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RE: Question - 11/28/2009 6:08:58 AM   
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This was going to be a lenghty reply about our conversation last night, but I changed my mind.

I will say that we talked, we both realized we handled the situation wrong. I apologized for making Him think I was pushing for something He thought I was after and He apologized for hurting me.

When it comes to other things, we talked them out and are on the same page. We are going to take things slow and easy. As far as our own issues go, we will try to work on some together, others we have to work on on our own.

Thank you for the advice and support, it's appreciated.

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RE: Question - 11/28/2009 8:59:14 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Elizabeth666

This was going to be a lenghty reply about our conversation last night, but I changed my mind.

I will say that we talked, we both realized we handled the situation wrong. I apologized for making Him think I was pushing for something He thought I was after and He apologized for hurting me.

When it comes to other things, we talked them out and are on the same page. We are going to take things slow and easy. As far as our own issues go, we will try to work on some together, others we have to work on on our own.

Thank you for the advice and support, it's appreciated.

after 6 months i think you have a right to push for some clarity!....Its called "shit or get off the pot"...... Either do it ...or let it go already(having a relationship i mean & CALLING it one)


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RE: Question - 12/1/2009 4:17:39 AM   
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It's been my experience when a man says he needs space to sort things out...he needs space to sort things out.


My experience is that when a man says that, he's actually not that into you and just stringing you along as a booty call till he finds someone he really does want.


I'd be hard pressed to be a booty call, as I don't do casual sex. However, DesFIP -- continue to make your digs as you think you can, I always *do* find them amusing.

The romantic ideal of the perfect relationship where their is never any miscommunicaiton or need to take a breather is a fiction. As Willie said "The course of true love never did run smooth."

All relationships start, stumble, falter, flounder. The question is, can you take each other's hand and move down that road together? Do you both want to?. Because everyone has issues to some extent, trust issues, commitment issues, intimacy issues. We all have baggage. (I am not saying we are all crazy and need to be rushed into therapy, just that we are all *human.*) Working through it is part of the deal. And sometimes part of working through it is giving someone some space to think.




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