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I seem like a passive Domme?!? - 11/28/2009 12:20:43 AM   
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I am new to this life style but I have been interested for 4 years. And now that I am able to explore this type of life style more I have met a few submissive men online. I talk to them and for the most part they tell me I am too nice or I am too passive. And I'm like wtf! I'm not trying to seem passive at all. Its just that I don't get aggressive until after we have meet each other and had a talk about what I expect and what his limits are and after we pretty much know each other past "the what's your favoriate color?" bull shit talk. What need is there to slap him and flogg him the moment we meet? Do submissive men expect you to skip the ice breaking small talk and grab him by the balls the moment you make eye contact? How do I get it through to them that I am not in no way passive but I like to get to know my potential sub before I get going in third gear?

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RE: I seem like a passive Domme?!? - 11/28/2009 1:07:43 AM   
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You may have more luck with this if you go to a local munch and meet some people in person, rather than some of the nonsense that is on the internet.

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RE: I seem like a passive Domme?!? - 11/28/2009 1:15:38 AM   
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Do submissive men expect you to skip the ice breaking small talk and grab him by the balls the moment you make eye contact?
How do I get it through to them that I am not in no way passive but I like to get to know my potential sub before I get going in third gear?

Online they expect you to grab them by the balls even before you make an "eye contact"
A twue online mizztrezz is in third gear 24/7/365
I'm sorry...either ya gotta weed through all the instant-fantasy subs which is going to be time consuming..or going to a munch like LadyPact suggested.

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RE: I seem like a passive Domme?!? - 11/28/2009 1:44:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: QueenPenelope

I am new to this life style but I have been interested for 4 years. And now that I am able to explore this type of life style more I have met a few submissive men online. I talk to them and for the most part they tell me I am too nice or I am too passive. And I'm like wtf! I'm not trying to seem passive at all.

Passive may not be the word you're going for here.  Being more laid-back in your approach isn't necessarily a bad thing...not at all. Many (not all, mind you) men online, though, have an image of the assertive/aggressive Domme thanks to various outside influences.  It has been my experience that online, domanint women are seen as a means to an end for many men...especially young domainant women. LadyPact is right, a munch might be a preferable place for you to start.  Not only will you be able to meet submissive men but also other Dommes who might be able to help you in a mentoring way.

Its just that I don't get aggressive until after we have meet each other and had a talk about what I expect and what his limits are and after we pretty much know each other past "the what's your favoriate color?" bull shit talk. What need is there to slap him and flogg him the moment we meet? Do submissive men expect you to skip the ice breaking small talk and grab him by the balls the moment you make eye contact? How do I get it through to them that I am not in no way passive but I like to get to know my potential sub before I get going in third gear?

Think of this as a way of separating the wheat from the chaff.  You have the things you need in place; discovery of limits and getting to know the man behind the submission.  If a man comes at you with a laundry list of expectations and an ASAP attitude, you can use your own list to sort out who you do and don't want to spend time with.  Quite simple really. 
 
As for getting through to them that you're in no way passive but instead prefer taking your time...the ones who meet your requirements will understand and the ones who don't are of no importance. Again, quite simple.
 
I do believe it bears repeating...get thee to a munch.   



*edited for spelling because it's too damn early

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RE: I seem like a passive Domme?!? - 11/28/2009 3:00:09 AM   
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RE: I seem like a passive Domme?!? - 11/28/2009 3:18:02 AM   
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I talk to them and for the most part they tell me I am too nice or I am too passive.


They have been watching too many porn flicks and have expectations from them. Personally if a sub told me I was too passive or too nice, I'd block him, how nice and passive is that?

Your the Dominant and your going to have search through a whole bunch of subs/slaves until you find the right one for you.

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RE: I seem like a passive Domme?!? - 11/28/2009 3:41:37 AM   
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Do submissive men expect you to skip the ice breaking small talk and grab him by the balls the moment you make eye contact? How do I get it through to them that I am not in no way passive but I like to get to know my potential sub before I get going in third gear?


Obviously there are different personality types of submissive out there.  Some (many it would seem) see a Domme only as a Domme, and don't try to imagine the Domme as a person first.  It just goes to show their type of interpersonal skills (I had typed lack of, but it's probably just different).

Just try not to give up too soon.

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RE: I seem like a passive Domme?!? - 11/28/2009 7:29:02 AM   
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You bring up a very interesting dilemma because I don't know if a lot of people realize how hard it is to actually make that connection right from the start from either side of the coin. In the past, I used to go on coffee dates with dominants, and I'd come away from a date or two thinking, "this woman isn't dominant at all", and it's really hard to get beyond that thought when in a public setting both people are being as cordial as possible, and both potential partners are going out of their way to keep the other person from jumping ship.

I've been very guilty of not following up on a potential connection because of this exact thing, and weeks later I kick myself because I then realize that maybe it had nothing to do with dominance but just politeness. At the same time, on the other side of the coin, I've had potential dominants tell me that they are no longer interested because they just didn't see my "submissiveness" in our conversations we had together, when we were at that same moment of two people just trying to see if the other person is interesting enough to see a second or third time.

This kind of thing is so hard because I think both sides make mortal errors here, and it's all about initial observations that may or may not translate to actual personalities.

Unfortunately, most responses to this sort of thing are usually "just wait and see" or "dump him and look for someone else" when in reality, I think there's a much bigger problem here that would be nice to see people actually explore. Perhaps there is some kind of middle ground, but I have yet to find it, and I'm not exactly somebody with no experience or someone who just fantasizes about submission rather than lives the lifestyle. The point being: This is a problem that a lot of people find themselves in, and unfortunately it tends to end mostly badly rather than the way we would hope it would.


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RE: I seem like a passive Domme?!? - 11/28/2009 8:00:04 AM   
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You bring up a very interesting dilemma because I don't know if a lot of people realize how hard it is to actually make that connection right from the start from either side of the coin.

This is so true.  For those who are looking for more than just a quick meet and beat, this is a very real and , gasp, very vanilla problem. 

In the past, I used to go on coffee dates with dominants, and I'd come away from a date or two thinking, "this woman isn't dominant at all", and it's really hard to get beyond that thought when in a public setting both people are being as cordial as possible, and both potential partners are going out of their way to keep the other person from jumping ship.

I've been very guilty of not following up on a potential connection because of this exact thing, and weeks later I kick myself because I then realize that maybe it had nothing to do with dominance but just politeness.

There are many people, on both sides, who view politeness as a weakness.  I've had doms who have told me they never go out of their way to show a kindness to a woman because they feel it makes them look "weak and wimpy".

At the same time, on the other side of the coin, I've had potential dominants tell me that they are no longer interested because they just didn't see my "submissiveness" in our conversations we had together, when we were at that same moment of two people just trying to see if the other person is interesting enough to see a second or third time.

I've been guilty of this, again on both sides.  That's why, when I meet a man who identifies as submissive, I ask that he use my name...not a title.  Until a agreed upon dynamic is in place, I see us as simply two people getting to know each other.  It really does come down to that connection...the chemistry...for me. 

This kind of thing is so hard because I think both sides make mortal errors here, and it's all about initial observations that may or may not translate to actual personalities.

So true.

Unfortunately, most responses to this sort of thing are usually "just wait and see" or "dump him and look for someone else" when in reality, I think there's a much bigger problem here that would be nice to see people actually explore.

I think the idea of "wait and see" is a good one if the person you're meeting has many of the traits you look for.  I'm of the belief that domanince and submission are inspired ( on a side note, there's an interesting thread on the General BDSM board HERE that discusses this very idea of inspired vs automatic ) and I don't feel dominance for every man I meet...and sometimes not for the first, second or even third date.  I do believe it's important to have certain things in mind you're looking for, though, as a base to start from.  It does take time for some women...and men.

Perhaps there is some kind of middle ground, but I have yet to find it, and I'm not exactly somebody with no experience or someone who just fantasizes about submission rather than lives the lifestyle. The point being: This is a problem that a lot of people find themselves in, and unfortunately it tends to end mostly badly rather than the way we would hope it would.

This post gave me some definite food for thought and I would be curious to know how others feel about it. Thank you, littlesarbonn.



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RE: I seem like a passive Domme?!? - 11/28/2009 8:47:06 AM   
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Queen Penelope, YOU ARE THE DOMME. Why question yourself? Being young/inexperienced just means you need some guidance from others with more experience, and there's not a single person alive who was not young/inexperienced once upon a time. lol. I agree with Lady Pact and Others here on this board as well......I've read several of your posts and see the dominance in you. Every Domme I've had the pleasure of knowing has Her own style and ways of doing things. You already know what you want, and it's good that you're  a nice person. It says a lot about your character and trust that the right one will see this, and hold you in high esteem while submitting to your guidance. Finding O/our way on this path takes patience and fortitude, yet the rewards are rich and most often beyond any of our wildest dreams.............

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RE: I seem like a passive Domme?!? - 11/28/2009 8:54:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn

I've been very guilty of not following up on a potential connection because of this exact thing, and weeks later I kick myself because I then realize that maybe it had nothing to do with dominance but just politeness. At the same time, on the other side of the coin, I've had potential dominants tell me that they are no longer interested because they just didn't see my "submissiveness" in our conversations we had together, when we were at that same moment of two people just trying to see if the other person is interesting enough to see a second or third time.


Re the latter point: Gawd, snap!  At least, I've had a feeling that I've not seemed 'submissive' on one occasion.  But re the former point:  oh yes, I like the ones who seem perfectly vanilla on the outside.  It's the 'wolf in sheep's clothing' thing.  Love it.

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RE: I seem like a passive Domme?!? - 11/28/2009 9:44:22 AM   
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Believe it or not... I know I have a mouth on me... but many have said I was too nice. I laugh. What is wrong with being nice? Because I hang a dominant tag on myself doesn't mean I must be anything but who I am. When the moment is right, with the right person, they will have no doubt I am dominant. I am not typically dominant with someone until I AM their dominant. I may show some dominant charactoristics at times with other's, but that is just a part of who I am and not dominance over someone.

Don't let a bunch of guys online who think you must come in swinging a whip to be a true dominant, define who you are or expect things from you that really have no basis in reality. They will try to make you be who they want you to be in a heartbeat. Some may succeed somehow in this, but I wouldn't call that a woman strong in her dominance.

Just be yourself and don't worry about what they think or say. What do they know? In fact, I am rather happy with the fact they leave me alone thinking I am not dominant. I have no time to waste on them and would rather have the man who can see me for who I am and not expect some fantasy person... especially online, who values the dominant I am.

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RE: I seem like a passive Domme?!? - 11/28/2009 9:48:31 AM   
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OP:
CANCEL THAT THOUGHT...

I have had this occur too and upon questioning they said either
1) well you never Dominated me
2)you don't ACT like a D


key word : act

I agree with above ppl that is SEPERATES the fantasy boyz from the reality ones
IF a guy thinks he is meeting a femdom PORN woman he will think she will send him to bathroom to wank..order him to wear panties to the meeting ...lick her boots under the table..

I fins this absolute bullshit...and ridiculous..oft times these are also men who want a one time little thrill..taste of BDSM..at your expense.
FUCK that..
LISTEN P.......
YOU BE YOU..develop YOUR STYLE..
Perhaps it is Sensual caring AND firm and fair..
Perhaps it is 2-3 persons in one LIKE ME and they will never what is coming next..
DO not feel you are passive BECUZ a  man told you you do not act like a porn film was like he watched and wanked too before meeting you...
 
By the same token...many  s's are told they are not good slaves because they do nto kneel for all..call every D by a title and lick dirt off her shoes at a coffee meet.

IN the beginning IMO......this is a man and woman meeting...
I call him by his name and he by mine..WE meet to check chemistry..
energy and for me it is MINDS FIRST

so ON-LINE....
don't waste valuable search time with BS crap...
These could be guys working up to wanking for you on cam...how thrilling?jsu twanting ot talk talk talk...
or that talk to different women all at once..one guy said he talked to 6 at once and used the words to wank..
if that is what he wants  fine..
but do you? and you do nto have to pulled in..
 
I found I was TOO POLITE and honed down my polite skills
to a simple NOT Interested etc ..  or I SEE...
and spent less and less time
explaining WHY..



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A FLAME
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RE: I seem like a passive Domme?!? - 11/28/2009 11:27:40 AM   
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for the most part they tell me I am too nice or I am too passive.

That is how your posts have struck me, from a quick read, not knowing you at all otherwise.  You seem very "new," which is not a negative thing.  In fact, it's better to ask questions and try to understand than it is to try to hide ignorance.  You will find there are many people with "years of experience" who don't know their ass from a hole in the ground because they never admitted to themselves that they needed to learn something.

However, just as many sub women (and nilla women) want a man who is more mature, worldly, seasoned, so too many sub men want a domme who seems to know everything.  You don't fit their fantasy, or their preconceived notions.

Also, were you the one who posted about a sub beating you up a few times?  Accepting such behavior does seem somewhat passive to me.

Please continue asking questions and trying to figure things out.  This stuff is hard, and anyone who claims to be an expert at all of it is seriously clueless.


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RE: I seem like a passive Domme?!? - 11/28/2009 11:41:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lashra

They have been watching too many porn flicks and have expectations from them.


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

You may have more luck with this if you go to a local munch and meet some people in person, rather than some of the nonsense that is on the internet.


Yes. These two have nailed it.

You're doing your looking on the internet, so you're finding almost nothing but internet dweebs who live in their mothers' basements eating twinkies and Pepsi watching porno with the lights out. These people are totally warped, so they have a totally warped perspective of what a BDSM relationship is about and what a domme is supposed to be. Their only frame of reference is internet porn, so they have no idea how to relate to or even comprehend anyone who's a real human being.

As LP says, get out to a munch and meet some real human beings; and as RedMagic says, ask them bazillions of questions. Don't ask these questions to learn what you're supposed to be like - ask them as a way of understanding more about who you already are as a woman. Be who you are, and eventually you'll find someone who matches up with that person. The better you understand who you are, the better chance you'll have of being able to make that relationship work when you do find him.


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RE: I seem like a passive Domme?!? - 11/28/2009 11:45:27 AM   
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Also, were you the one who posted about a sub beating you up a few times?  Accepting such behavior does seem somewhat passive to me.




No, that was a different woman posting in Penelope's thread.


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RE: I seem like a passive Domme?!? - 11/28/2009 2:05:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: QueenPenelope

I am new to this life style but I have been interested for 4 years. And now that I am able to explore this type of life style more I have met a few submissive men online. I talk to them and for the most part they tell me I am too nice or I am too passive. And I'm like wtf! I'm not trying to seem passive at all. Its just that I don't get aggressive until after we have meet each other and had a talk about what I expect and what his limits are and after we pretty much know each other past "the what's your favoriate color?" bull shit talk. What need is there to slap him and flogg him the moment we meet? Do submissive men expect you to skip the ice breaking small talk and grab him by the balls the moment you make eye contact? How do I get it through to them that I am not in no way passive but I like to get to know my potential sub before I get going in third gear?


There is nothing that says a dominant is not allowed to have a heart, there is nothing that says you can not speak to a submissive like a human being. there nothing that says a dominant can't rule with caring and compassion. There is no rule that says a successful dominant must be some cold, narcissistic, ball busting bitch. You need to be the person you feel you need to be and then find a submissive that compliments that. Your dominance will only go as far as the submissive is willing to submit.

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RE: I seem like a passive Domme?!? - 11/28/2009 2:27:34 PM   
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Do submissive men expect you to skip the ice breaking small talk and grab him by the balls the moment you make eye contact?

No Ma'am, not men who are genuinely submissive or have any experience in the lifestyle. If they're like me, they'll want to get to know you as a person and a woman first. I'm not going to feel submissive toward a woman until a mutal connection has been established between us. I need to know that we have something in common that we're going to share beyond the KINK/BDSM.

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How do I get it through to them that I am not in no way passive but I like to get to know my potential sub before I get going in third gear?


Just tell 'em! Perhaps you might put it in your profile that you expect to get to know who they are as people and for them to get to know you as a unique woman before any kind of talk about BDSM or a D/s dynamic is going to happen. Otherwise, set 'em straight in your first message should you decide you want to contact them or send a reply to theirs.

If its in your profile and happens in the first message they send, then they haven't read your profile and that should tell you what you need to know about them right away.

As for munches, while that's a good idea, in some areas you may find that not a lot of sub males or other Dommes attend them. YMMV on that one. At a minimum though, you'll still be connecting with others in the lifestyle you'll be able to make friends with and learn from.

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RE: I seem like a passive Domme?!? - 11/28/2009 3:33:09 PM   
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I wouldn't put too much value on what somebody online tells you, they might just be sitting in their basement masturbating over the idea of a 24/7 cruel bitch, if subs don't accept you for what you are and how you want to be, they simply might not be right for you. Real life meetings like munches might be a lot better for you and what you are looking for.

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RE: I seem like a passive Domme?!? - 11/28/2009 5:54:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

I wouldn't put too much value on what somebody online tells you, they might just be sitting in their basement masturbating over the idea of a 24/7 cruel bitch...


I AM NOT!!

Edit: Oh. You weren't talking about me? Uh, yeah, I knew that. I, uh... didn't assume you were, really. I was just... mmmm....

Ah, never mind.

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