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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/28/2009 10:35:21 AM   
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Because there was no damn reason to punish them at all.....Why should their records be tainted for this?


I read that they went into his cell after he had been captured.

"Ahmed Hashim Abed, whom the military code-named "Objective Amber," told investigators he was punched by his captors — and he had the bloody lip to prove it. Now, instead of being lauded for bringing to justice a high-value target, three of the SEAL commandos, all enlisted, face assault charges and have retained lawyers. Matthew McCabe, a Special Operations Petty Officer Second Class (SO-2), is facing three charges: dereliction of performance of duty for willfully failing to safeguard a detainee, making a false official statement, and assault. Petty Officer Jonathan Keefe, SO-2, is facing charges of dereliction of performance of duty and making a false official statement. Petty Officer Julio Huertas, SO-1, faces those same charges and an additional charge of impediment of an investigation."

They should have just shot him and saved themselves the problem.  On the other hand the law says that police types should not beat confined prisoners.




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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/28/2009 10:37:45 AM   
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Thats absolutly insane. If they go to trial, Obamas impeachment should start the next day...


Indeed that is absolutely, completely, totally and utterly insane.  Obama's impeachment should start immediately for allowing his Attorney General Eric Holder to even bring charges against those American heros.

I find it interesting that they will be arraigned on Dec 7, that's Pearl Harbor Day...a day which has lived in infamy.   


I can't tell whether you're joking or just don't have any clue what you're talking  about, but since when does the US Attorney General have jurisdiction in a case of military justice? These men are being tried by the Navy under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, and the decision is entirely that of their commanding officers. The AG's office has no standing in this case.


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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/28/2009 11:06:08 AM   
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I can't tell whether you're joking or just don't have any clue what you're talking about


Well, let's see...

*takes FOX story as given with no further evidence
*turns to Google News and finds nothing
*Lucy gives him half a dozen news links he couldn't find

I used to think he just got his jollies wanking people. Now I'm starting to think he really is that clueless.

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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/28/2009 11:18:20 AM   
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But for the record, Before I commented I did look for other evidence and found it, just not in the major American media.

And I noted I just did a quick search

And even though the bylines on all lucys articles was later than the Fox story, CBS even creditied Fox, I acknowledged her post as correct with no snark at all.


But I understand you are upset that you lost your own challenge, heck you were afraid to adress my comments on the NPR story you put up.....So you snipe like a troll....kind of sad, but thats the reality of the day



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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/28/2009 11:21:54 AM   
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Panda was talking to Racer Jim


You're right--I did miss that.

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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/28/2009 11:33:34 AM   
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And even though the bylines on all lucys articles was later than the Fox story, CBS even creditied Fox, I acknowledged her post as correct with no snark at all.
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colour me gobsmacked but no brownie points ....stop making a pratt of yourself, you got it wrong, you admitted it, you couldnt just leave it could you
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I looked in google news and it seems fox is the only network reporting on this? Bias? Maybe there should be some double checking as I might not be correct...

Also there was nothing wrong with my links..no one specified a time or who credits who..I found all links within two minutes of you posting that only fox SEEMED to be on it...I just pointed out quietly that indeed LOTS Of media had articles....and still you whine.




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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/28/2009 11:43:09 AM   
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And even though the bylines on all lucys articles was later than the Fox story, CBS even creditied Fox, I acknowledged her post as correct with no snark at all.
ORIGINAL: luckydawg

colour me gobsmacked but no brownie points ....stop making a pratt of yourself, you got it wrong, you admitted it, you couldnt just leave it could you
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I looked in google news and it seems fox is the only network reporting on this? Bias? Maybe there should be some double checking as I might not be correct...

Also there was nothing wrong with my links..no one specified a time or who credits who..I found all links within two minutes of you posting that only fox SEEMED to be on it...I just pointed out quietly that indeed LOTS Of media had articles....and still you whine.





Oh no. Does this mean that  Lucy's a troll now, too?


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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/28/2009 11:54:58 AM   
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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/28/2009 11:56:38 AM   
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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/28/2009 12:17:42 PM   
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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/28/2009 12:22:03 PM   
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BY 'one of them" what. Non-trolls?




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I got called a troll the other day by one of them, ....lucky I think... made me snicker, I thought he was coming on to me!!!


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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/28/2009 12:27:57 PM   
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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/28/2009 12:28:58 PM   
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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/28/2009 12:35:54 PM   
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I quoted you directly, Lucy. You said "them" (which is plural).


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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/28/2009 12:42:44 PM   
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I got called a troll the other day by one of them, ....lucky I think... made me snicker, I thought he was coming on to me!!!


nit picking Sanity, I did say it was lucky in the very next part...
and you really dont want me to get into trouble with Mod 11  for calling lucky and willbur my pet names would you???



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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/28/2009 12:53:12 PM   
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Here's what they did to the Americans they captured.

Somehow a fat lip seems kind of minor by comparison. Even justified.



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I read that they went into his cell after he had been captured.

"Ahmed Hashim Abed, whom the military code-named "Objective Amber," told investigators he was punched by his captors — and he had the bloody lip to prove it. Now, instead of being lauded for bringing to justice a high-value target, three of the SEAL commandos, all enlisted, face assault charges and have retained lawyers. Matthew McCabe, a Special Operations Petty Officer Second Class (SO-2), is facing three charges: dereliction of performance of duty for willfully failing to safeguard a detainee, making a false official statement, and assault. Petty Officer Jonathan Keefe, SO-2, is facing charges of dereliction of performance of duty and making a false official statement. Petty Officer Julio Huertas, SO-1, faces those same charges and an additional charge of impediment of an investigation."

They should have just shot him and saved themselves the problem.  On the other hand the law says that police types should not beat confined prisoners.






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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/28/2009 1:08:47 PM   
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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/28/2009 1:11:59 PM   
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....Somehow a fat lip seems kind of minor by comparison. Even justified.


Saying "Others have done worse." is no defense. In a way it's worse than no defense. It's an admission that no defense is possible.

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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/28/2009 1:16:35 PM   
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....Somehow a fat lip seems kind of minor by comparison. Even justified.


Saying "Others have done worse." is no defense. In a way it's worse than no defense. It's an admission that no defense is possible.


Thats one way to view it.

Another way to view it is "Others have done worse, and it is their ideology and expressed intent to continue their atrocities." That is the best defense possible.

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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/28/2009 1:20:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		It is an internal military matter and has nothing to do with Obama. And what a ridiculous thing to say after George Bush left us with only 1 bill of right. And if you don't believe that ask Keith Olbermann.

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Thats absolutly insane. If they go to trial, Obamas impeachment should start the next day...


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