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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/28/2009 6:01:24 PM   
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Yes, especially when you're talking about an elite unit like the Navy SEALs - arguably the finest troops in the world. Unit discipline is critically important for troops of that nature.That's what I find so surprising about this whole thing, and why - quite frankly - I believe it's likely they'll be acquitted. It's very difficult for me to imagine that SEALs would have actually done this, and the fact that they're insisting on a court martial makes it sound to me as though proving that is a point of honor for them.


I certainly hope that you are correct. If the accused are able to establish their innocence of these charges, all well and good. It's important not to prejudge anyone's guilt. Generally speaking, the military justice system involves a much more rigorous pretrial investigation than the civilian one. (Lawyers have a joke that any decent civilian prosecutor can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich.) It's difficult to see how any sailor, especially a master-at-arms (the rating concerned with law enforcement and force protection) would casually make such a serious accusation against his comrades, were it not well-founded. We'll know a lot more once the courts-martial actually begin.

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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/28/2009 6:35:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm thinking that it's a bad time to be an American. This will backfire on the current administration. They should be spending time thinking how to keep street people out of the white house.

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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/28/2009 6:48:59 PM   
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I'm thinking that it's a bad time to be an American. This will backfire on the current administration. They should be spending time thinking how to keep street people out of the white house.



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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/28/2009 6:56:32 PM   
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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/28/2009 8:33:21 PM   
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I'm thinking that it's a bad time to be an American. This will backfire on the current administration. They should be spending time thinking how to keep street people out of the white house.
It cold be worse servant.....you could be a Somali...or a Ghanian(have you noticed just how many slaves they have over there.....sheesh,imagine trying to find a Domme amongst all that competition?)
Hoefully President Obama and his administration will ,as is right and proper,stay a thousand miles from this.
UCMJ is the proper venue and,except in the mind of rabid detractors,this has no chance to backfire on an administration that should and probably will adopt a hands off posture torwards this case.
But your concern is duly noted.....
p.s. I have always felt that all times are good to be an American.....how long have you felt otherwise......its a shame you can't sit around with the First Lady and discuss these feelings.

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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/29/2009 6:46:47 AM   
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and a grunt can't afford to wonder whether his actions, no matter how necessary, will be second guessed, and that is the position many in the military are in today. and these ridiculous charges only make that worse.


If, as some are reporting, this happened when the guy was already in custody, though, your statement doesn't apply.


nonsense. Who knows what the circumstances were.


Now there I can agree--far different than the calls to action others are spouting.

And far different than you, who a post ago called them "these ridiculous charges" with no knowledge of the circumstances.



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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/29/2009 7:14:36 AM   
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I'm thinking that it's a bad time to be an American. This will backfire on the current administration. They should be spending time thinking how to keep street people out of the white house.


It is my understanding that the Navy (Administration) was going to proceed under the civil option where the punishment would have been "do not do it again."  How do you get to "This will back fire on the current administration?"

Are they conservatives being advised by Rush?


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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/29/2009 9:35:17 AM   
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and a grunt can't afford to wonder whether his actions, no matter how necessary, will be second guessed, and that is the position many in the military are in today. and these ridiculous charges only make that worse.


If, as some are reporting, this happened when the guy was already in custody, though, your statement doesn't apply.


nonsense. Who knows what the circumstances were.


Now there I can agree--far different than the calls to action others are spouting.

And far different than you, who a post ago called them "these ridiculous charges" with no knowledge of the circumstances.




There are no circumstances that would make these charges anything but ridiculous.

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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/29/2009 9:43:34 AM   
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and a grunt can't afford to wonder whether his actions, no matter how necessary, will be second guessed, and that is the position many in the military are in today. and these ridiculous charges only make that worse.


If, as some are reporting, this happened when the guy was already in custody, though, your statement doesn't apply.


nonsense. Who knows what the circumstances were.


Now there I can agree--far different than the calls to action others are spouting.

And far different than you, who a post ago called them "these ridiculous charges" with no knowledge of the circumstances.




There are no circumstances that would make these charges anything but ridiculous.


You're including the charge of making false statements in that? That's a pretty serious breach of military discipline. Not ridiculous at all.

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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/29/2009 12:15:36 PM   
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and a grunt can't afford to wonder whether his actions, no matter how necessary, will be second guessed, and that is the position many in the military are in today. and these ridiculous charges only make that worse.


If, as some are reporting, this happened when the guy was already in custody, though, your statement doesn't apply.


nonsense. Who knows what the circumstances were.


Now there I can agree--far different than the calls to action others are spouting.

And far different than you, who a post ago called them "these ridiculous charges" with no knowledge of the circumstances.




There are no circumstances that would make these charges anything but ridiculous.

There are no circmstances that could make this post anything less than rediculous !!!!!!

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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/29/2009 12:25:44 PM   
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They should have just killed the fucker and then there wouldnt be an assault trial.


Yeah.
And here we go with "TRIALS" again!
What the hell is going on anyway?
MILITARY operations are just that, why is the judicial branch trying to get involved in Military Ops?
Do they feel "guilty" because they went to college instead of Vietnam like "Geraldo" and Bill Clinton?

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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/29/2009 12:32:51 PM   
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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/29/2009 1:11:09 PM   
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They should have just killed the fucker and then there wouldnt be an assault trial.


Yeah.
And here we go with "TRIALS" again!
What the hell is going on anyway?
MILITARY operations are just that, why is the judicial branch trying to get involved in Military Ops?
Do they feel "guilty" because they went to college instead of Vietnam like "Geraldo" and Bill Clinton?


The judicial branch has nothing to do with this. The sailors have requested military courts martial.


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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/29/2009 4:05:19 PM   
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They should have just killed the fucker and then there wouldnt be an assault trial.


Yeah.
And here we go with "TRIALS" again!
What the hell is going on anyway?
MILITARY operations are just that, why is the judicial branch trying to get involved in Military Ops?
Do they feel "guilty" because they went to college instead of Vietnam like "Geraldo" and Bill Clinton?


Correct me if I am wrong, but wasnt this being dealt with by the military ? 

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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/29/2009 4:07:42 PM   
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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/29/2009 4:20:48 PM   
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There are no circmstances that could make this post anything less than rediculous !!!!!!


Give it time Mike, give it time.


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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/29/2009 5:50:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well in this case Polite,the only thing to be gained by time is to move on to his next rediculous statement.
Lucy,I had a thing for your old avatar.....

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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/29/2009 5:56:08 PM   
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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/29/2009 6:49:47 PM   
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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/30/2009 12:23:50 AM   
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