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ORIGINAL: Brain

It is an internal military matter and has nothing to do with Obama. And what a ridiculous thing to say after George Bush left us with only 1 bill of right. And if you don't believe that ask Keith Olbermann.

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Thats absolutly insane. If they go to trial, Obamas impeachment should start the next day...

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Another way to view it is "Others have done worse, and it is their ideology and expressed intent to continue their atrocities." That is the best defense possible.

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Here's what they did to the Americans they captured.

Somehow a fat lip seems kind of minor by comparison. Even justified.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
Its a bad time to be a front line American serviceman of any stripe. CIA, Green Beret, just name it.

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Hero SEALS face rap for fiend's bloody lip

Three Navy SEALs involved in nabbing one of Iraq's most wanted terrorists are reportedly facing criminal charges related to his capture -- all because he claimed he had a bloody lip.


The SEALs took down Ahmed Hasim Abed, the alleged mastermind of a ghastly 2004 incident in which four American contractors who worked security for Blackwater USA, were murdered in Fallujah and two of the bodies were hung from a bridge over the Euphrates River.


But instead of being praised as heroes, the SEALs are all facing charges and have hired lawyers, FoxNews.com reported.

The three enlisted men, Petty Officers Matthew McCabe, Jonathan Keefe and Julio Huertas, got into hot water after Abed, whose military code name was "Objective Amber," said his captors had punched him.


To prove it, he showed off the bloody lip.


A legal source told Fox News that Abed made the complaint when he was in the hands of Iraqi authorities, causing him to be returned to American custody.


An official investigation was launched and led to the three SEALs.


McCabe was charged with assault, dereliction of performance of duty for willfully failing to safeguard a detainee as well as making a false official statement.


Keefe and Huertas were both charged with dereliction of performance of duty and making a false official statement. Huertas was also charged with impeding an investigation.


All three have refused a non-judicial punishment -- called an admiral's mast -- and have requested courts-martial.


They will be arraigned on Dec. 7.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/hero_seals_face_rap_for_fiend_bloody_ITuJdA8JJ8WbYkAmQzE8OP

Read more here:

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/11/025016.php


http://www.debbieschlussel.com/12746/hey-dont-give-terrorist-murderers-a-fat-lip/

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Another way to view it is "Others have done worse, and it is their ideology and expressed intent to continue their atrocities." That is the best defense possible.

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Another way to view it is "Others have done worse, and it is their ideology and expressed intent to continue their atrocities." That is the best defense possible.

What anyone else does or intends to do is irrelevant. All members of the US military have obligations under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, as well as obligations under whatever general orders, rules of engagement and specific orders they are operating under at any given time. Without discipline, a military unit would rapidly lose its morale and effectiveness.

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And if youve ever been in the military in time of war you know that the UCMJ has all of the weight of the Sunday funnies when youre trying to stay alive and accomplish your mission. That isnt a loss of discipline, that is taught to you the day you walk out of AIT.

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And if youve ever been in the military in time of war you know that the UCMJ has all of the weight of the Sunday funnies when youre trying to stay alive and accomplish your mission. That isnt a loss of discipline, that is taught to you the day you walk out of AIT.

Your mission is what your superior officers have defined it to be. The UCMJ and the military justice system recognize the complexities, uncertainties and dangers a soldier faces on the battlefield. No commanding officer is eager to see men under his command face charges. These alleged acts did not take place on the battlefield, so that's not really relevant here, anyway. Making false statements to superior officers is a fundamental violation of military honor. An officer cannot afford to have to wonder whether he can rely on those under his command to give accurate information.

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and a grunt can't afford to wonder whether his actions, no matter how necessary, will be second guessed, and that is the position many in the military are in today. and these ridiculous charges only make that worse.

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

and a grunt can't afford to wonder whether his actions, no matter how necessary, will be second guessed, and that is the position many in the military are in today. and these ridiculous charges only make that worse.

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....Somehow a fat lip seems kind of minor by comparison. Even justified.

Saying "Others have done worse." is no defense. In a way it's worse than no defense. It's an admission that no defense is possible.

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and a grunt can't afford to wonder whether his actions, no matter how necessary, will be second guessed, and that is the position many in the military are in today. and these ridiculous charges only make that worse.

If, as some are reporting, this happened when the guy was already in custody, though, your statement doesn't apply.

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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

JESUS!!  A graphic photo warning might have been nice.....

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

nonsense. Who knows what the circumstances were.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Sorry, Greedy.

But thats what the fellow who got the fat lip did....

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Its a little more than "others have done worse" isn't it. Its personal. According to these reports the terrorist who got the fat lip was responsible for the torture, murder, burning and dismemberment of fellow countrymen.

And its a fat lip - practically nothing.

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and a grunt can't afford to wonder whether his actions, no matter how necessary, will be second guessed, and that is the position many in the military are in today. and these ridiculous charges only make that worse.

If, as some are reporting, this happened when the guy was already in custody, though, your statement doesn't apply.

nonsense. Who knows what the circumstances were.

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And if youve ever been in the military in time of war you know that the UCMJ has all of the weight of the Sunday funnies when youre trying to stay alive and accomplish your mission. That isnt a loss of discipline, that is taught to you the day you walk out of AIT.

Your mission is what your superior officers have defined it to be. The UCMJ and the military justice system recognize the complexities, uncertainties and dangers a soldier faces on the battlefield. No commanding officer is eager to see men under his command face charges. These alleged acts did not take place on the battlefield, so that's not really relevant here, anyway. Making false statements to superior officers is a fundamental violation of military honor. An officer cannot afford to have to wonder whether he can rely on those under his command to give accurate information.