LafayetteLady
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ORIGINAL: Acer49
Vanilla society does not agree with this lifestyle and if they believe that if a child is involved, it is not considered a healthy or safe living enviorment. Agencies such as social services will make every effort to remove the child from your home, wether an alligation is true or not.
So according to you, Children's Services spend most of their days seeking out people who have alternative lifestyles in the hopes of removing those children from those homes? There is a process in every state that Children's Services must follow. They do not get an allegation from someone and just come out with an order to remove the children. Just doesn't work that way. They must investigate and first determine if there is any danger to the child. If someone answers the door in a corset and a collar, I have news for you, they probably are not taking the time to keep their lifestyle as private as it should be and the children will be removed. When they come to investigate, they DO NOT check the parent's bedroom, go through anyone's drawers or closets. So IF they remove a child from a person who lives the BDSM lifestyle, it is likely because that person made statements that were inappropriate or figured that they could do whatever they wanted and flaunt it in whatever way they wanted. When you have kids, you can't do that. If a person's stupidity overtakes them during the investigation, they have no one to blame but themselves.
Further, even if the child is removed, a court hearing must be held in a very short period of time (typically a week or less) to prove that the child was removed because they were in immenent danger. Do they then aggressively pursue their case? Of course they do. The courts have determined that it is better to err on the side of caution and the protection of the children, especially in light of how many children were NOT removed from abusive homes and then were seriously injured or died.
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ORIGINAL: Acer49
Children see and hear things by accident, they tell their littles friends who tell their mothers and fathers and eventually you will have social services and you local police dept at your door removing your child and it is next to impossible to get them back for quite some time.
Children do hear and see things not meant for them, including arguments. Those same children also might give their version of what they hear to their friends. Social Services doesn't typically come out to investigate with the police in tow unless the allegation that they have heard gives them reason to feel it is necessary.
It is not "next to impossible" to get them back. Most people fail to hire an attorney who specializes in those types of cases or go off half cocked and look like idiots in the court room, essentially making the case for Children's Services.
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ORIGINAL: Acer49Children are revenue producing items that social sevices uses to justify their existance. While there are many fine and dedicated members who do work in that profession, there are also ones who have no qualms about trying to stred a family apart with absolutely no proof. They are untouchable, they are amune from either crimial or civil prosecution. I forget what year it was but in CA social services removed over 7200 children, of those 7200 cases, less than 200 were warranted. These are not people to screw with.
Unwarranted removal according to who? The person who wrote the article? Let me assure you that the ease with which one can manipulate statistics to prove their case is really quite easy. If a parent leaves a child unattended in a car, should they be permitted to keep the child? What if they constantly fail to properly supervise their child? Or they are a drug addict or an alcoholic? You can be a functioning addict, but that doesn't mean you should have the right to keep your kids until you get help.
While we are on the subject, can you provide any statistics about children being removed from the homes of parents who are living in the BDSM lifestyle in some way? I'm sure that there are times children are removed from those homes, but I'm not really reaching to say that even just on this site, which does not encompass the whole of the BDSM society, the number of parents who have had trouble with Children's Services are miniscule compared to the number of parents in the lifestyle. And even in those circumstances, the stories that might be posted are only one side, and I can guarantee you that more than likely the poster either doesn't have all the information or are intentionally leaving information out. This excludes those instances that AquaticSub mentioned regarding custody battles. In a custody battle, everyone is going to use whatever they can to gain custody, and typically Children's Services are not involved.
For those who have decided they don't want children or to be involved with people who have children, there is nothing wrong with their decision. For those that with children, they make it work. Then there is that other "group" who thinks it is a wonderful idea to have slaves who breed more slaves for them. They shouldn't be permitted to keep their children, so who cares about them.
The system is not perfect, but to make any claim that their sole purpose is to remove children from homes because it generates revenue is blatently false. Foster children cost the state money, it doesn't generate money.
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