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Is female dominance real? - 11/29/2009 10:26:57 PM

Rochsub2009

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i was perusing journal entries, when i came across this. These are not my own words. Moreover, i don't feel the need to identify the profile that i got these from, since i don't want the author to get unkind messages. Rather, i thought it might be interesting to get the reaction of the Mistresses to his ideas.

Here is an excerpt from the journal that got me thinking about this:

"Using your looks to get what you want is not dominance.. Its persuasion and seduction. Both parties fall victim to submission in that act.

I'm beginning to question the whole female aspect of dominance.....

Nature has intended for females to be submissive and men to be dominant. With that said, true dominance in a female would be a woman with literally a masculine style mind, strength not only mentally but physically. To never want to "be" fucked,, but to "do" the fucking.

The "typical female dominant" of today is not a true definition of raw dominance. In fact i dont even know what to call it. Because its not fake.. but its not exactly real either."

What do You think of his thoughts? Is dominance based on looks actually "seduction" rather than "dominance" as he claims? Can a female truly be dominant, when the average submissive male could actually overpower Her at any time if he so chose? How do You rationalize Your "dominance" in light of that apparent contradiction?

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RE: Is female dominance real? - 11/29/2009 10:35:21 PM

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No.

They just get testy when you hide the donuts.

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RE: Is female dominance real? - 11/29/2009 10:40:20 PM

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I'm not really a Domme, but...

Personally, I can rumble with the best of 'em, so I give no credence to the fact that, just because he possesses a penis, that makes him stronger than me in any sense.

Secondly, dominance can take many forms. To sound cliche, it's up to those involved to decide what works for them.

This person sounds, to me, like they came out of 1962 with the "women's place is submission" talk. But I don't buy into people telling me what I'm born for.

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RE: Is female dominance real? - 11/29/2009 10:43:33 PM

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I'm 6'4", 225, and a former golden gloves boxer. Every job I've ever had, I could have kicked my boss's ass up one wall of his office, across the ceiling, and down the other wall if I'd wanted. But he was always still my boss, and this so-called "contradiction" never entered either my mind or our dynamic.

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RE: Is female dominance real? - 11/29/2009 10:45:05 PM

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Sounds like the silly drivel of the hardcore natural order Gor-type.

Physicality is not a mean of of dominance, it's a means of non-consensual force. If legitimate rape is the only genuine form of dominance then there may be some credence in that journal entry. But... it just winds up being absurd.

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RE: Is female dominance real? - 11/29/2009 10:48:47 PM

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What a crock of shit, OP.

My dominance is not based on the fact that I'm a trained killer, and can rip the balls off a guy, gouge his eyes out, break his arm, and slit his throat or stomp him to death, all in a matter of seconds. I don't rule by fear. And I don't need to rule by overpowering my slave, although I easily could. My dominance is not based on brute strength, or force. I rule with the authority that I insist upon, and that my slaveboy accedes to me willingly. I have absolutely no interest in conquering an unwilling subject. That's not what D/s is about.

Women were meant to be submissive and men were meant to be dominant? Bullshit. Women and men need to be what each individual person needs and desires to be, and they ought to aid each other in that effort. Not spout crummy platitudes from the dark ages.

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RE: Is female dominance real? - 11/29/2009 11:00:38 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: dreamerdreaming

I'm a trained killer, and can rip the balls off a guy, gouge his eyes out, break his arm,
and slit his throat or stomp him to death, all in a matter of seconds.

Ok FINE! The chocolate cream filled ones are in the fridge behind the Bud Lite.

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RE: Is female dominance real? - 11/29/2009 11:03:34 PM

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"Using your looks to get what you want is not dominance.. Its persuasion and seduction. Both parties fall victim to submission in that act. My looks garner attention and attraction. My Dominance is not based on my looks. It's based on my abilities, my sadistic and devious mind and my confidence. I'm under 5'4 and most of my life barely topped 110 lbs but I've brought men Panda's size and bigger to their knees. It wasn't my looks that did that.

Nature has intended for females to be submissive and men to be dominant. With that said, true dominance in a female would be a woman with literally a masculine style mind, strength not only mentally but physically. To never want to "be" fucked,, but to "do" the fucking. I'm tempted to WTF this..I don't even know where to begin here. How does being dominant associate with physical strength? In the physical dichotomy described above any of those men could have easily tossed me across the room and handed me my ass on a platter in terms of physical strength. They didn't regardless of what I did to them. They submitted, by choice, to me. I don't need physical strength to dominate a man.

The "typical female dominant" of today is not a true definition of raw dominance. In fact i dont even know what to call it. Because its not fake.. but its not exactly real either." What exactly is "typical female dominance". I'm not seeing where that's been explained anywhere here. So until that is explained I really can't give you my thoughts on it.

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RE: Is female dominance real? - 11/29/2009 11:13:46 PM

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I think that sounds like utter BS from someone who is uncomfortable with other relationship dynamics. The one wayism and "real" and "true" strike me as very... insecure. Granted, I don't know the context but that is how this passage strikes me.

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RE: Is female dominance real? - 11/29/2009 11:29:53 PM

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Aquatic

I'm assuming you're referring to the OP and not me. Otherwise I'm confused as to what you disagree with regarding my post?

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RE: Is female dominance real? - 11/29/2009 11:50:13 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: chiaThePet

quote:

ORIGINAL: dreamerdreaming

I'm a trained killer, and can rip the balls off a guy, gouge his eyes out, break his arm,
and slit his throat or stomp him to death, all in a matter of seconds.

Ok FINE! The chocolate cream filled ones are in the fridge behind the Bud Lite.

chia* (the pet)

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RE: Is female dominance real? - 11/30/2009 3:12:33 AM

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The average donkey could overpower me if it so chose. So could the average flu virus, come to that.

As for Nature has intended for females to be submissive -

Nature has never heard of the words 'dominant' and 'submissive'.

Actually, it's never heard of any words at all . . . Humans spend most of their days doing 'unnatural things' - including sitting in front of computers and writing on forums . . .

Human nature is what we, humans, decide it to be. If the rest of nature has a problem with that, it can feck off.

I'll organise the above into some semblance of cogency when I've woken up properly.

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RE: Is female dominance real? - 11/30/2009 4:26:44 AM

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I too have undergone extensive hand-to-hand trainings in the arts of introducing my enemies to the gatekeepers of hell. I too selectively subject myself to the authority of a woman and my decision to do so has absolutely nothing at all to do with her physical abilities, or the so-called D/s doctrine.

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RE: Is female dominance real? - 11/30/2009 4:48:38 AM

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Dominance in the sense that many within this community apply it, simply menas the application of will over another. No matter how that will is applied, and it can be applied in many different ways, if they successfully apply their will to get someone else to follow their directions, then they have displayed dominance.

While I may believe that due to Human Evolutionary Behavior, that males have a predisposition to display and be dominant, this doe not exclude females from being dominant. I suppose believing that females can be dominant as well, means I must turn in my Gorean membership card eh?

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RE: Is female dominance real? - 11/30/2009 5:27:13 AM

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quote:

Rather, i thought it might be interesting to get the reaction of the Mistresses to his ideas.

I think this individual is highly conflicted with their identity as a submissive.

I think most of the points I would have made have been made to date, specifically but not exclusively:

quote:

ORIGINAL: Arrogance
Physicality is not a mean of dominance, it's a means of non-consensual force. If legitimate rape is the only genuine form of dominance then there may be some credence in that journal entry. But... it just winds up being absurd.

and

quote:

ORIGINAL: dreamerdreaming
Women were meant to be submissive and men were meant to be dominant? Bullshit. Women and men need to be what each individual person needs and desires to be, and they ought to aid each other in that effort. Not spout crummy platitudes from the dark ages.

and

quote:

ORIGINAL: AquaticSub
I think that sounds like utter BS from someone who is uncomfortable with other relationship dynamics. The one wayism and "real" and "true" strike me as very... insecure. Granted, I don't know the context but that is how this passage strikes me.

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RE: Is female dominance real? - 11/30/2009 5:34:16 AM

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With that said, true dominance in a female would be a woman with literally a masculine style mind, strength not only mentally but physically. To never want to "be" fucked,, but to "do" the fucking.

Does this person know me? Hmm.

I would sort of agree that there are dominants out there that are not actually dominant but extremely good at being manipulative to get their way. On the same note, though, there are dominants who use brute force rather than dominance to get their way as well. I dont consider either to be actually dominance. But, if taking a look online at the dominant population represented here as opposed to the real life one, the view is skewed. Online there is an abundance of those who are not dominant and will never let an interaction get far enough to be found out as fakes.

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RE: Is female dominance real? - 11/30/2009 5:47:57 AM

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There is some anthropological evidence of female dominated societies, although it's not always very clear. Lijiang in Yunnan Province is a classic example.

The original quote, I should point out, does express a coherent idea, albeit traditional. Just calling it "BS" explains nothing and tends actually to validate the quote, as if this issue is, for some of us, an ideological blind spot that we cannot treat without emotion.

There's a fascinating theory that, with the rise of cattle-raising in primitive African society, female influence tended to wane. The middle part of this article deals with the issue; it's a little dense, but worth a look for the theoretically inclined.

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RE: Is female dominance real? - 11/30/2009 6:03:28 AM

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I think you'll find that those who called it "BS" did so and then explained why.

I happen to agree with the fact that it's low-grade fertilizer. I know plenty of women who are far stronger than a number of men I could name. I also know women who appear frail and could take pretty much anyone down if it came to a physical confrontation, no matter how much bigger or stronger their opponent is. Physical power and ability means nothing in terms of (yes, I'm going to use the "T" word) true dominance. It's a mindset more than anything else, just like submission. The person who wrote the journal entry that inspired the OP to post obviously has some issues with their role in society - regardless of whether the original writer was male/female or dominant/submissive.

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RE: Is female dominance real? - 11/30/2009 6:10:10 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda
I'm 6'4", 225, and a former golden gloves boxer. Every job I've ever had, I could have kicked my boss's ass up one wall of his office, across the ceiling, and down the other wall if I'd wanted. But he was always still my boss, and this so-called "contradiction" never entered either my mind or our dynamic.

EXCELLENT point. However, the caveman who wrote the journal entry would probably have argued that your boss had the ability to fire you and take away your ability to provide for your family. So he actually wielded the greater power.

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RE: Is female dominance real? - 11/30/2009 6:11:38 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Arrogance
Physicality is not a mean of of dominance, it's a means of non-consensual force. If legitimate rape is the only genuine form of dominance then there may be some credence in that journal entry.

i agree.

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